TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

Merzifonlu

Contributor
Think Tank Analyst
DefenceHub Diplomat
Messages
716
Reactions
25 2,154
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
Interesting that no one asked @Combat-Master about a proof or source about his Gezgin claim.
Why would they ask? There are two possibilities. a) The information is correct, in which case he will not reveal its source anyway. b) Or the source of information is his own ass, in which case he cannot reveal the source again. :)
 

Nutuk

Contributor
Think Tank Analyst
Messages
1,017
Reactions
8 3,633
Nation of residence
Nethelands
Nation of origin
Turkey
I doubt that Gezgin is in inventory while the engine is still in development or they've used a suitable Ukrainian engine, but than again it should be in tests
 

Huelague

Experienced member
Messages
3,907
Reactions
5 4,105
Nation of residence
Germany
Nation of origin
Turkey
Why would they ask? There are two possibilities. a) The information is correct, in which case he will not reveal its source anyway. b) Or the source of information is his own ass, in which case he cannot reveal the source again. :)
If I would claim, Bora-3 is in inventory, would you ask a source? But the question is, why nobody asked for evidence, not how would combat master respond.
 

Huelague

Experienced member
Messages
3,907
Reactions
5 4,105
Nation of residence
Germany
Nation of origin
Turkey
I doubt that Gezgin is in inventory while the engine is still in development or they've used a suitable Ukrainian engine, but than again it should be in tests
Gezgin project starts before Siper project, and if even Siper is in trial test, why should Gezgin not be ready.
 

Afif

Experienced member
Moderator
Bangladesh Correspondent
DefenceHub Diplomat
Bangladesh Moderator
Messages
4,732
Reactions
94 9,031
Nation of residence
Bangladesh
Nation of origin
Bangladesh
Bora 2 is definitely there somewhere as mentioned by one of the ministers around 4 years ago. But it is a strategic tactical weapon.
It is a game changer weapon. It is a weapon you do not advertise too much about.
If one has to speculate, it must be around 500km range missile with at least 500kg of explosives that can hit moving targets with precision. That is if they have not altered the size too much. Otherwise if the size has been altered, there is nothing stopping it from being a 3-4 ton 600+km tactical missile. Especially after Roketsan started using composite materials for their missiles and improved their missile fuels etc.

Hopefully bora ii will be something similar to iskander-m.
Here is an interesting reading. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...AQFnoECCgQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3A7d94w8We6Oy7W6Xtdts0
and here is an interesting analysis.
It seems that a maneuverable quasi balisitc missile is a better choice than a hypersonic glide vehicle ( within a strike range of 1000km ) in term of technical specifications ( like superior manuverbilty and having a seeker head for much effective terminal guidance ) and cost effectiveness.
 
Last edited:

Nutuk

Contributor
Think Tank Analyst
Messages
1,017
Reactions
8 3,633
Nation of residence
Nethelands
Nation of origin
Turkey
Gezgin project starts before Siper project, and if even Siper is in trial test, why should Gezgin not be ready.
Because her engine is still under development.

One way would be to use Ukrainian engines or Czech micro turbojet to have prototypes or limited initial production
 

Yasar_TR

Experienced member
Staff member
Administrator
Messages
3,239
Reactions
139 16,196
Nation of residence
United Kingdom
Nation of origin
Turkey
Hopefully bora ii will be something similar to iskander-m.
Here is an interesting reading. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...AQFnoECCgQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3A7d94w8We6Oy7W6Xtdts0
and here is an interesting analysis.
It seems that a maneuverable quasi balisitc missile is a better choice than a hypersonic glide vehicle ( within a strike range of 1000km ) in term of technical specifications ( like superior manuverbilty and having a seeker head for much effective terminal guidance ) and cost effectiveness.
Iskander-M missile is great on paper. Russians may have blown it out of proportion a bit though. They say it is a hypersonic missile. But it is hypersonic only for a while, depending on how aerodynamic and heavy it is at terminal phase. We saw how well they hit their targets. Albeit an export version, in Azerbaijan they were intercepted and eliminated by Barak-8 missiles. A good many numbers of it were intercepted by Ukrainian Air Defence systems too.
On paper all credentials check out and tick all the relevant boxes. But in reality they have not performed as well as what it has promised to do. Nevertheless, in theory, a missile like Iskander-M is a formidable weapon to have.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Bora-2 is similar in it’s performance and even better in terms of it’s guidance and precision.
 
Last edited:

Baryshx

Contributor
Messages
969
Reactions
8 2,070
Website
www.twitter.com
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
Because her engine is still under development.

One way would be to use Ukrainian engines or Czech micro turbojet to have prototypes or limited initial production
I was going to write that too, I totally agree. Kale Arge has just started making its engine, our Gezgin may be finished, but Kale Arge is waiting for its engine. Sure, it could have been produced in certain numbers with Ukrainian engines at hand.
 

Baris

Committed member
Messages
225
Reactions
909
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey

NitricAcid

Active member
Messages
97
Reactions
2 751
Nation of residence
India
Nation of origin
India
Gürcan Okumuş, Director of TÜBİTAK SAGE Institute:

1. “The development work of GÖKTUĞ missiles has come to an end and mass production preparations continue. We will continue our journey in air-to-air missiles with a ramjet-propelled missile. As of today, it is obvious that we are as far as an engine from a ramjet-propelled missile.

2. “The SOM-J missile has been subjected to very demanding flight and firing tests, and it has done us proud by successfully fulfilling the mission defined in all of these tests. In 2023, we will conduct shooting tests to verify network-supported ammunition and surface engagement capabilities.”

3. “Development studies for SOM-C1/SOM-C2 missiles with KEMENT national data link continue. It is aimed to make significant progress in qualification activities by the end of 2022 and to complete the verification activities with firing tests in 2023.”

4. “SOM-C1/SOM-C2 supplies are contractually bound. SOM-C1/SOM-C2 missiles have been developed to be used against surface targets in addition to land targets, and have a low surface flight feature called "Sea Skimming".

5. “By replacing the engine of the GÖKDOĞAN Missile with a larger engine, we can establish a NASAMS-like structure with a domestic solution like ESSM. The engine preliminary design activities for the G-40 have been completed, but the testing phase has not been started since there was no request from the requirements authorities.

6. “A low smoke solid fuel rocket engine was developed by TÜBİTAK SAGE as a launch engine within the scope of the KARGI Project and 10 live rocket engines were delivered to LENTATEK Company.”

7. “Verification activities for KUZGUN Modular Joint Munitions Family, Free Floating (SS), Solid Fuel (KY) and Turbojet Engine (TJ) variants continue. KUZGUN-SS platform integration work has been going on for a few months and the integration work has come to an end.”


Source :
 

Anmdt

Experienced member
Naval Specialist
Professional
Messages
5,485
Solutions
2
Reactions
118 24,767
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
Last edited:

Yasar_TR

Experienced member
Staff member
Administrator
Messages
3,239
Reactions
139 16,196
Nation of residence
United Kingdom
Nation of origin
Turkey
Roketsan has signed a technical cooperation agreement with the MOD of Poland for the guided artillery rocket systems of Turkey.
This means there is an export opportunity of these artillery rockets to Poland in one form or another.
I guess if US HIMARS is difficult to attain and overpriced, and they have proved themselves as vital in the battlefield, why not go for the next best thing?
1662475709042.jpeg
 
Last edited:

Follow us on social media

Top Bottom