Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[Madokafc]

Marine corps and their new equipment 69SE6 RUCIKA

 

[Madokafc]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1588389813278810112

PT.PAL & Thales MoU, are we going to revive Kornas ( Korvet Nasional ) / Light Frigate programme ? Frankly we need heavy surface combatant but we equally need those in The Class of Martadinata or Diponegoro Class

You know Thales is not warships designer, they are mainly working for the naval subsystem, especially sensor and radar.

Well with the entry of Turkey Naval designer player lately with their F142 class design, and the issue of Mogami class, the so called light Frigate still revolved around 4000-5000 tonnes class.

 

[Madokafc]

Oh i am forgeting EDGE group ADSB, they are offering some type of vessels lately. With their (UAE) current of finance backing of our weapon shopping spree and new Capitol city, i think their chance for come is great

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1588460307478822912

7 ship Advent CMS for ALRI :
2 frigates PAL
2 opv 90 DRU
....
What are the other 3 ship?

 

[Cromwell]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1588460307478822912

7 ship Advent cms :
2 frigates PAL
2 opv 90 DRU
....
What are the other 3 ship?

Smaller vessels like FAC perhaps ?

 

[Lordimperator]

Smaller vessels like FAC perhaps ?

The latest 2 Turkish FAC? Then 1 left.

 

[Madokafc]

Smaller vessels like FAC perhaps ?

Seriously they need to have more though for the Navy support vessels like LST and LPD, as most of them came barred, no sensor, no weaponry, no protection suit, just barred hull with some manually operated gun, basic Naval radar and that's all.

There is also need to integrated all of the system they has, from Thales Tacticos, Terma C Flex and now Advent Genesys from Havelsan.

 

[deadlast]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1588460307478822912

7 ship Advent CMS for ALRI :
2 frigates PAL
2 opv 90 DRU
....
What are the other 3 ship?

3 on PT. Tesco KCR60, 1 already launched, 2 under construction I presumed.

 

[Cromwell]

Seriously they need to have more though for the Navy support vessels like LST and LPD, as most of them came barred, no sensor, no weaponry, no protection suit, just barred hull with some manually operated gun, basic Naval radar and that's all.

There is also need to integrated all of the system they has, from Thales Tacticos, Terma C Flex and now Advent Genesys from Havelsan.

We also have Catiz CMS from Navantia on KRI Malahayati. Frankly i don't want Havelsan CMS on AH-140, i want them to stay as original specs for Royal Navy, use Thales TACTICOS as we already accustomed to it on Martadinata Class and Diponegoro Class but that's just so wishfull hope

 

[Lordimperator]

Oh i am forgeting EDGE group ADSB, they are offering some type of vessels lately. With their (UAE) current of finance backing of our weapon shopping spree and new Capitol city, i think their chance for come is great

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1588466380705501184

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1588531686585028608

Rumour regarding FREMM
6 units, but only 4 units to be included in 2023 budget.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1588533720860196866

2 will be build by Fincantieri and 2 by PAL

 

[Anmdt]

We also have Catiz CMS from Navantia on KRI Malahayati. Frankly i don't want Havelsan CMS on AH-140, i want them to stay as original specs for Royal Navy, use Thales TACTICOS as we already accustomed to it on Martadinata Class and Diponegoro Class but that's just so wishfull hope

Why do you never have another option:

- An indigenous CMS.

Seriously they need to have more though for the Navy support vessels like LST and LPD, as most of them came barred, no sensor, no weaponry, no protection suit, just barred hull with some manually operated gun, basic Naval radar and that's all.

There is also need to integrated all of the system they has, from Thales Tacticos, Terma C Flex and now Advent Genesys from Havelsan.

Advent can be integrated with others without requiring any modification on the others, however i don't know if others can do that.

 

[Cromwell]

Why do you never have another option:

- An indigenous CMS.

Advent can be integrated with others without requiring any modification on the others, however i don't know if others can do that.

We have that " another option " you mention CMS Mandala on Van Speijk Class

 

[Anmdt]

We have that " another option " you mention CMS Mandala on Van Speijk Class

Yes i know, and then why don't you suggest commonization of that one but TACTICOS?

 

[Cromwell]

Yes i know, and then why don't you suggest commonization of that one but TACTICOS?

Some old stories circulated, this is just something Thales made then PT.LEN rebranded it, use it on Van Speijk Class for test bed

 

[Madokafc]

Why do you never have another option:

- An indigenous CMS.

Advent can be integrated with others without requiring any modification on the others, however i don't know if others can do that.

Heard the same story', Mandala is not rightly indigenous design.

Canggih! Korvet Diponegoro Class Bakal Dipasangi Radar Thales NS50 dengan Teknologi 4D AESA​

Canggih! Korvet Diponegoro Class Bakal Dipasangi Radar Thales NS50 dengan Teknologi 4D AESA

Banyak dikerahkan TNI AL dalam misi pelayaran jarak jauh dan menjadi duta kekuatan laut Indonesia dalam UNIFIL (United Nations Interim Force In Lebanon), korvet Diponegoro Class (SIGMA 9113) dalam waktu dekat ini dikabarkan akan menjalani tahapan Mid Life Modernization (MLM), seperti yang pernah...

www.indomiliter.com

So they are capable to directing and guiding SAM system, in which beg to question, this radar is being designed to guide fire and forget short range SAM like VL MICA and ship artillery, so is the TNI AL intended to put VLS into SIGMA 9113 class?

 

[Cromwell]

https://www.facebook.com/100064152364677/posts/492678139547261

Been reading this, this posting claims our Nagapasa Class are false in design and despite maximum efforts, there will be defects left. What's wrong with our Nagapasa Class ? Can any of you enlighten me ? And while back ago during 2005 - 2007 there was a planning on acquiring 2 Type-209 Class ( i might presume we were planning the original version from Germany ) then how come we ended up with this unlicensed version from South Korea ? And what are we going to do to at least minimise the defects and get them maximised on operational use ( despite some defects which said will remain ) ?

 

[NEKO]

Heard the same story', Mandala is not rightly indigenous design.


So they are capable to directing and guiding SAM system, in which beg to question, this radar is being designed to guide fire and forget short range SAM like VL MICA and ship artillery, so is the TNI AL intended to put VLS into SIGMA 9113 class?

providing highly accurate 4D target information required for rapid acquisition by Fire Control Systems, for fire control of short-range “fire and forget” Surface-to-Air-Missile Systems

I think its only capable of providing data feed to Fire Control System pre-missile launch, and can't provide continuous guidance post missile launch.

 

[Anmdt]

Some old stories circulated, this is just something Thales made then PT.LEN rebranded it, use it on Van Speijk Class for test bed

Heard the same story', Mandala is not rightly indigenous design.

It is lesslikely to develop a CMS overnight, so yeah. They likely repackaged the consoled with a complied and ready to use CMS and tried to integrate different sensors etc. That may not be Tacticos but the older version with less capabilities, as well. But i read some news that 8 vessels are now getting Mandhala.

And my point is; why not launching a new whole program for a truly indigeneous CMS that you can independently upgrade. Get either Thales, Navantia or whomever agreeing to develop a new CMS for Indonesian Navy's need from scratch by sharing the source code and then move onto phase II for a real indigeneous solution. It is an operating system, bunch of libraries and few lines of code at the end

 

[Cromwell]

It is lesslikely to develop a CMS overnight, so yeah. They likely repackaged the consoled with a complied and ready to use CMS and tried to integrate different sensors etc. That may not be Tacticos but the older version with less capabilities, as well. But i read some news that 8 vessels are now getting Mandhala.

And my point is; why not launching a new whole program for a truly indigeneous CMS that you can independently upgrade. Get either Thales, Navantia or whomever agreeing to develop a new CMS for Indonesian Navy's need from scratch by sharing the source code and then move onto phase II for a real indigeneous solution. It is an operating system, bunch of libraries and few lines of code at the end

" Thales has been the leading partner of the Indonesian Navy for the last forty years, supplying combat systems for all warships in service. The strategic agreement will explore the co-development of a national Combat Management System (CMS) based on Thales’ TACTICOS CMS "

New Partnership between PT Len Industri and Thales Set to Revolutionise Indonesia’s Defence Sector

PT Len Industri and Thales have signed a strategic partnership agreement for further collaboration.

www.thalesgroup.com

That's why i don't like adding new species like Havelsan CMS into our service in the first argument, we have 2 Martadinata Class, 4 Diponegoro Class and in process Bung Tomo Class using TACTICOS which i hope we're getting standarise with and hopefully co-develop it into something indigeneous for our future ships, we don't adding new species into our inventory but alas i'm not policy maker.