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[Knowledgeseeker]

Barely anyone actually believes that that an amulet protects them. But it might make them feel better when they wear one, it's their lives. Why is this Muslim going out of his way to dictate how people dress and also destroy an amulet in the process. This is real stupidity.

Are you Muslim? If you are not then I suppose it's not very relatable to you as a non-muslim. As Muslims we hold the principle of "Enjoy the good, and forbid the evil",. and this is something that's obligatory in our faith upon every Muslim according to their abilities, and knowledge. A lot of Muslims actually believe that amulets can protect them against evilness, or diseases. Thats why you will find a lot of Muslims on different social media warning against it, and telling people that it goes against the rulings of Islam. Most are based on sincere advice from person to person, I don't think it has something about dictating. We Muslims do not have the right to force or dictate what others do but we can at least explain why its wrong with goodness, and sincerity.

 

[Ryder]

I should add that Saudi Arabia, under US instructions, has spent billions since the 70s to Islamise Türkiye.

Ask yourself why.

Actually Turkiye became Islamised ever since the Seljuk Turks conquered most of Anatolia.

Anatolia before the Turkish conquest was hellenised and christianised. After the Turks conquered it became a mainly Islamic and Turkic society. I know Islam reached parts of Anatolia well mainly Eastern Turkiye but not Aegan sea and Istanbul as it was firmly under Eastern Roman Empire rule.

People treat as if Turkiye got islamised overnight by the Saudis.

You know who actually made Anatolia Islamise even faster it was the Mongols LOL

As the Mongols conquered this left many Turks to migrate to Anatolia in huge numbers.

Doesnt matter if the Turks and Mongols used Islam as a political tool because it seems they had no problem in spreading the religion regardless if it was political or their tolerance.

 

[Nilgiri]

I believe that many ancient cultures occasionally indulged in psychedelics. Some Turkic Shamans/Kams in Siberia still use them to this day (a topic which I would love to talk about when I have the time).

I've actually tried magic mushrooms and it was undeniably the most "spiritual" experience of my life. It's also very safe as long as you're doing it at home or in an area you can trust.

Along with euphoria and amazing visuals, I saw what I can only describe as "deities" made out of vibrant colours which telepathically communicated with me. I don't want to go too into it, as you'll probably think I'm crazy. The weeks after that, I didn't get angry once, had incredible mental clarity and calmness. All anxiety was gone too. It's also not addictive.

Believing in religions or mythology is one thing. Seeing mystical things with your own eyes is just on another level.

Someone get this guy on the joe rogan podcast stat!

 

[Rodeo]

Someone get this guy on the joe rogan podcast stat!

He should listen to Alan Watts on his next trip. I heard it's very effective.

For instance, this one;

We should open a thread on which we can speak about these esoteric subjects more openly. We could discuss and share our spiritual experiences(if we have any). Topics like Conciseness, Duality, Shamanism, Sufism, Vipassana, Zen etc. I remember listening to Krishnamurti for hours. Fascinating stuff.

 

[Kedikesenfare]

I experienced the strongest spiritual experience I ever had in

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Anıtkabir

and this is not a joke. It was like an out of body experience. I swear I saw his face. I never told this to anyone. This is THE reason I'm a nationalist.

This thing I lived through leads me to believe some environments or experiences touch something in human psyche. I get the same feeling of being close to something divine when I'm in unspoiled nature, too.

edit: gotta add this, mosques etc do nothing for me.

I was there, too. Boring as f*ck. They really need to put in more effort. Create some kind of pedagogical concept for children and youth. It's so dry. You go there, you walk in one door, you walk out another. Boom. You've visited Atatürk. That's it.

By any chance, were you on drugs or something during your visit?

 

[Kedikesenfare]

I should add that Saudi Arabia, under US instructions, has spent billions since the 70s to Islamise Türkiye.

Ask yourself why.

History books teach us that Turkey was an Atheist society before the 70's, in fact, the Ottoman Empire was the predecessor organization of the Chinese Communist Party.

 

[Mehmed Ali]

Bored women believe in horoscopes.

You can believe in God or deities, that's a very natural thing that humans have believe since the dawn of mankind.

The issue isn't with believing in God or gods. The issue is that major religions such as Christianity and especially Islam, do more harm than good.

I am really interested how was in Khazastan 1932 33? And wasn't Dr Lysenko truly remarkable ? Evolutionary Agronomy? Lamark version. How many died due to that ideas 50 million?
Maybe we should appreciate the ideas of Dr Dawkins , in principle it is all natural selection, no right no wrong no moral etc at the end of the day what all that concepts mean in the light of evolution?
At least Nitche recognised the meaningless of it all , at least he had some honesty in his Atheism for difference of modern atheists, who have none.
Sorry I forgot, Darwin was deist by the way.
One more thing , if someone read the history of USSR , and your nick of wood was in it, then it is to see that from 1917-1923 pesantry were pseudo serf and in a way slaves . New economic plan 1923 1928 not so much. But from 1928 till 1953 workers and peasantry were slaves. Remember Dzugasvilis 5 year plans?
Remember 1.5 million cases of cannibalism? 8 million dead from hunger 1933? 5 million from hunger 1921? 2 million 1947? And what not in 1926, 1929 1935 ? Has Christianity or Islam ever done it? Those disasters were man made. 1934 % 37.5 Khazastan died.
Oh I forgot Civil War 12 million dead.

 

[Ryder]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1621304920707153921

 

[Fuzuli NL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1621304920707153921

 

[Ryder]

Georgia, Ukraine, Bosnia and Kosovo deserve to be in Nato more than Sweden and Finland.

If Turkiye is so against enlargement they would have not approved any new members.

Guess what they had a hand in helping Albania and North Macedonia getting accepted into Nato.

Ukraine, Georgia, Bosnia and Kosovo 🫡

Sweden and Finland

 

[YeşilVatan]

I was there, too. Boring as f*ck. They really need to put in more effort. Create some kind of pedagogical concept for children and youth. It's so dry. You go there, you walk in one door, you walk out another. Boom. You've visited Atatürk. That's it.

By any chance, were you on drugs or something during your visit?

No, I was just in a bad place mentally. Personal stuff mostly. I went there tuesday morning in Fall 2013 if I remember correctly. For some reason there was no one but soldiers and a few other visitors. It was raining. I don't know how to explain it really...

It really helped me understand how people used to worship living or deceased rulers who declared themselves a god.

 

[Saithan]

Giftigt megaskib sejler i ring uge efter uge: Det er uundgåeligt

Læs mere her.

www.berlingske.dk

Seems the hangarship isn't allowed to Turkey because of the amount of chemicals and dangerous stuff, and Brasil doesn't want it either. They're talking about sinking it in the middle of the Atlantic.

Does the Turkish company that was going to junk it lose money in this ?

 

[Ripley]

Now you have a tremendous task ahead of you explaining this gesture to non-Turkish readers.
Oh boy. This gonna be real fun

 

[Tonyukuk]

History books teach us that Turkey was an Atheist society before the 70's, in fact, the Ottoman Empire was the predecessor organization of the Chinese Communist Party.

yes that's absolutely right!

On a serious note, the Saudis did indeed pump money in to boost Islamists and gain influence. And they've succeeded.

Türkiye's economy might be in shambles, but at least there's 80000 mosques now, and 13 million Muslim brothers and sisters from Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq mashAllah Now all the gulf Arabs have all the best real estate in Türkiye whilst the average Turk is struggling to get by.

Oh the wasted potential of this country...

 

[Afif]

and 13 million Muslim brothers and sisters from Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq mashAllah

Also wait for me, cause i may come to Turkey for my M.A. degree if circumstances favors!

I hope, you wont be too mad if the number increases by just one.

 

[Tonyukuk]

Before anyone starts attacking me because I'm Kazakh Turk, I want you to know something.

Ever since Central Asian Turkic nations became independent we have been doing some soul searching. Pakistan immediately lept in after the collapse of the Soviet Union and tried to Islamise Central Asia. Caspian Report did a good video about it:

With Afghanistan to the South, the bad experience with Pakistan and Central Asian Jihadists, I can tell you that most Central Asian Turks want to distance themselves from Islam. When AKP builds mosques I'm Central Asia, no one thanks Türkiye for the 'positive influence' they say "oh no, they really are trying to turn us into Afghanistan". Thus by trying to spread Islam in Central Asia, AKP is achieving 3 things. Wasting money, making new hotbeds for potential jihadists and unintentionally increasing China's stronghold by making them seem like a better alternative.

You know why I want those 13 million refugees gone, because they will be the number 1 security concern for Türkiye very soon. Because now the Kurdish separatists and Türkiye's existing Islamists have millions of new allies. And if god-forbid a civil war breaks out, Central Asia will fall into Russian or Chinese hands for another few hundred years.

 

[Tonyukuk]

Also wait for me, cause i may soon come to Turkey for my M.A. degree if circumstances favors!

I hope, you wont be too mad if the number increases by just one.

I've never had a problem with students coming. Come, eat nice kebabs, pet street cats, have fun.

 

[Ecderha]

Kış Tatbikatı-2023
Türkler....

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1621439150078443525

 

[Mehmed Ali]

Before anyone starts attacking me because I'm Kazakh Turk, I want you to know something.

Ever since Central Asian Turkic nations became independent we have been doing some soul searching. Pakistan immediately lept in after the collapse of the Soviet Union and tried to Islamise Central Asia. Caspian Report did a good video about it:

With Afghanistan to the South, the bad experience with Pakistan and Central Asian Jihadists, I can tell you that most Central Asian Turks want to distance themselves from Islam. When AKP builds mosques I'm Central Asia, no one thanks Türkiye for the 'positive influence' they say "oh no, they really are trying to turn us into Afghanistan". Thus by trying to spread Islam in Central Asia, AKP is achieving 3 things. Wasting money, making new hotbeds for potential jihadists and unintentionally increasing China's stronghold by making them seem like a better alternative.

You know why I want those 13 million refugees gone, because they will be the number 1 security concern for Türkiye very soon. Because now the Kurdish separatists and Türkiye's existing Islamists have millions of new allies. And if god-forbid a civil war breaks out, Central Asia will fall into Russian or Chinese hands for another few hundred years.

Idle chatter , 13 millions refugees? Saudi paying money for Islam in Turkey? Saudis are Wahabites and Turks are not . Buying expensive houses in Turkey, small segment of Arab population which has the money and citizens of Turkey buy properties according to each individual needs by the way I think , recently the program was started to build affordable properties. Alliance between whom exactly, anything tangible? As what Central Asian people want , well you are not the spokesman and it seems to me that at least Uzbeks do not share your " opinion " .
I don't mind constructive criticism, which is well intended and backed up with some facts with some analysis cam be made but not your nonsense.
To inform you I was born in the communists country so I can get your minde , definitely there is nothing authohton in it. The usual commie islamophobia with usual " analysis " usual " conclusions ". Nothing more then that .
C-

 

[Tonyukuk]

Idle chatter , 13 millions refugees? Saudi paying money for Islam in Turkey? Saudis are Wahabites and Turks are not . Buying expensive houses in Turkey, small segment of Arab population which has the money and citizens of Turkey buy properties according to each individual needs by the way I think , recently the program was started to build affordable properties. Alliance between whom exactly, anything tangible? As what Central Asian people want , well you are not the spokesman and it seems to me that at least Uzbeks do not share your " opinion " .
I don't mind constructive criticism, which is well intended and backed up with some facts with some analysis cam be made but not your nonsense.
To inform you I was born in the communists country so I can get your minde , definitely there is nothing authohton in it. The usual commie islamophobia with usual " analysis " usual " conclusions ". Nothing more then that .
C-

You gotta be naive if you don't believe that Saudi Arabia spreads radicalism to aid American interests. Türkiye is the next major target. Think a little. Who supported FETÖ? What makes you think that all the Islamist groups that insult Turkish identity and Atatürk aren't FETÖ 2.0?You're not even aware of the danger here.

Nice example. You know what Uzbek's are infamous for? Terrorists which join HTS, ISIS among other groups. Hence why the Uzbek government is trying to squash Islamism

Resorting to calling me an Islamaphobe is all you can do. Just like lefties label normal people "transphobes" or "homophobes".