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I agree. TCG Istanbul is almost ready, that shows we have almost every subsystem ready, midlas and hisar-rf is on the way. We are talking about paying 10b$+ deal for f-16s to US, we are talking about paying 10b$+ to UK for eurofighters but we don't have 5-6b$ for our shipbuilding industry and state firms like Aselsan so we discuss buying junk, truely a remarkable situation.

Order 6x Ada class (add 2x8vls like ukrainian one)
Order 6x more total 10 I- Class (accelerated redesign for 32vls for like 4 of them)
Quicken the ADKG process
Decommission 4xGabya and 4xYavuz and 5xburak

It would take 4-5 years for this process we got enough shipyard, we would get like 20 new hulls instead of 13 most problematic assets. We would get rather modern navy instead of a average 35 years old navy... I-class with 32 vls is enough to accompany TCG Anadolu for now send 3x with it if needed.

Whole 20 ships would take at most 6b$ literally 1.2b$ a year is not even much. It is not a huge burden and we could wait till 2030 for the tf-2000 with no problemo.
I don't know whether we will be able to transfer the resources to enable so much parallel production in a very short period of time, or more importantly, whether we will be able to involve so many private shipyards in the main combatant platform production processes at once. However, I generally agree with the logic you are defending. The Hisar class OPVs will already be subject to a much faster production process than frigates, because of both structurally and in terms of equiping, there is no problem there. However, just as you said, one of the decisions that can be taken immediately in the first stage may be to increase the total number of platforms in the serial production of the Istif class. In other words, the scope could not be limited to three ships in three years, but the option could be realized right now and the target could be to deliver six ships to the navy in, lets say, 5-6 years.

With this type program: three shipyards will be ready for the serial production of the TF-2000 destroyer, having completed the construction of six Istif class hulls, by 2028. Thus, by 2031/32, seven Istifs and four Tf-2000s could have been delivered to the navy, while the construction of the heavy frigate, rumored to be the TF-100, should have completed at the Pendik shipyard. In terms of main combatant platform production, bringing even three shipyards to the level of being able to built destroyers would be an extraordinary achievement on a world scale. The number of countries in the world that have three private shipyards with a similar capability is limited to three, maybe four. Perhaps there are not even that many countries in practice.

As for auxiliary and logistics class ships, patrol ships and missile boats, hydrography and mine warfare ships, the naval forces have many projects in hand, we know that there are many works in planning, but most of our modernization plans for these are constantly postponing, probably due to resource priotirizing issues. If the share of the naval forces in the budget to be increased, this is probably where we would see the real transformation. Therefore, we can reach a large number of private shipyards specialized enough to distribute our military shipbuilding industry to all classes and tonnages through these programs. edit: In fact, I remember that the naval forces had a planning in this regard. We have read or seen many times in Turkish forums in the 2010s with documents or insider information of some of our elders about how many private shipyards will be specialized in which class. But we have to come back to the one thing every time. Our naval forces are one of the most successful forces in the world in terms of strategy development, but unfortunately, our economy cannot support this staff intelligence enough.
 
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Within the scope of the construction of Reis class submarines, the last delivery of the "Section50", which was produced at Gürdesan Gemi Makinaları Sanayii Ticaret AŞ in Yalova under the engineering and coordination of STM, was successfully realized. The level Gürdesan has reached in submarine construction is really proud. It is one of our companies whose name is not very popular in the media, but which enlightens our future, MAVİ VATAN.

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Although Reis Class AIP submarine project for 6 boats is at full steam, there is another game changer project that is being undertaken; the STM-500.
Currently it is being worked on and a more lifelike sample/prototype of it expected to be available to see not before long.
Turkey’s first totally indigenous submarine is going to put Turkey among the true submarine builder nations.


This mini sub will be in all compartments as proficient as its older brother, the Reis Class. Apart from its size, range, depth-limit and the number of weapons it can carry, it will be just as deadly as any submarine we have. It will be a real game changer in the Aegean.
With a length of 42 metres and a complement of 18 crew it will have 4 torpedo tubes that can fire guided missiles like Atmaca. With a diving depth of 250 metres it will be ideal for the Sea-Of-Islands.


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Although Reis Class AIP submarine project for 6 boats is at full steam, there is another game changer project that is being undertaken; the STM-500.
Currently it is being worked on and a more lifelike sample/prototype of it expected to be available to see not before long.
Turkey’s first totally indigenous submarine is going to put Turkey among the true submarine builder nations.


This mini sub will be in all compartments as proficient as its older brother, the Reis Class. Apart from its size, range, depth-limit and the number of weapons it can carry, it will be just as deadly as any submarine we have. It will be a real game changer in the Aegean.
With a length of 42 metres and a complement of 18 crew it will have 4 torpedo tubes that can fire guided missiles like Atmaca. With a diving depth of 250 metres it will be ideal for the Sea-Of-Islands.


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It would be the TB-2 of the deep blue.
 

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Although Reis Class AIP submarine project for 6 boats is at full steam, there is another game changer project that is being undertaken; the STM-500.
Currently it is being worked on and a more lifelike sample/prototype of it expected to be available to see not before long.
Turkey’s first totally indigenous submarine is going to put Turkey among the true submarine builder nations.


This mini sub will be in all compartments as proficient as its older brother, the Reis Class. Apart from its size, range, depth-limit and the number of weapons it can carry, it will be just as deadly as any submarine we have. It will be a real game changer in the Aegean.
With a length of 42 metres and a complement of 18 crew it will have 4 torpedo tubes that can fire guided missiles like Atmaca. With a diving depth of 250 metres it will be ideal for the Sea-Of-Islands.


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This is one of the projects I really like, not only it should be a really good option for our navy, but also we should be able to find costumers for it ratjer easily.
 

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This is one of the projects I really like, not only should it be a really good option for our navy, but also we should be able to find customers for it rather easily.
The only county I can think of that may be interested in this is Indonesia.
 

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Although Reis Class AIP submarine project for 6 boats is at full steam, there is another game changer project that is being undertaken; the STM-500.
Currently it is being worked on and a more lifelike sample/prototype of it expected to be available to see not before long.
Turkey’s first totally indigenous submarine is going to put Turkey among the true submarine builder nations.


This mini sub will be in all compartments as proficient as its older brother, the Reis Class. Apart from its size, range, depth-limit and the number of weapons it can carry, it will be just as deadly as any submarine we have. It will be a real game changer in the Aegean.
With a length of 42 metres and a complement of 18 crew it will have 4 torpedo tubes that can fire guided missiles like Atmaca. With a diving depth of 250 metres it will be ideal for the Sea-Of-Islands.


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So how much does stm-500 expected cost..
 

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The only county I can think of that may be interested in this is Indonesia.
Not really.

Although Reis Class AIP submarine project for 6 boats is at full steam, there is another game changer project that is being undertaken; the STM-500.
Currently it is being worked on and a more lifelike sample/prototype of it expected to be available to see not before long.
Turkey’s first totally indigenous submarine is going to put Turkey among the true submarine builder nations.


This mini sub will be in all compartments as proficient as its older brother, the Reis Class. Apart from its size, range, depth-limit and the number of weapons it can carry, it will be just as deadly as any submarine we have. It will be a real game changer in the Aegean.
With a length of 42 metres and a complement of 18 crew it will have 4 torpedo tubes that can fire guided missiles like Atmaca. With a diving depth of 250 metres it will be ideal for the Sea-Of-Islands.


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The people, again experts in twitter, who has no idea about the vision of Milden is calling this project more important than Milden.

Milden is TF2000, STM500 is TTAB.

Any subsystem giving a leap to Milden is also necessary for STM500 (while the major systems are not available due to the size). Thus, without one the latter also becomes invalid.

For example;
Milden uses national steel, national ring stiffners etc.
STM500 uses imported steel.
 
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The Submarine Floating Dock has started to arrive at Gölcük military shipyard for delivery.
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Rather than the inverted form of the bow, I think what really draws attention is the ship's armament and the electronic systems it carries. Almost everything is indigenous. In fact, I don't even need to use the word almost, if it is examined in detail, maybe a few things can be found, but the main mast is the pride of Aselsan in particular.

These demonstrations, and more concretely the point reached by the Istif class project, show us that the technical infrastructure and subsystem network that can configure all kinds of warships in the 3000-5000 ton range has been formed. At this point, we have reached a position where we can even carry out MILGEM-independent frigate programs. Regardless of budgetary and resource planning issues, I would love to see such a program tried.
 

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Nice to see that we're experimenting with inverted bows. Hopefully it leads to a "yerli Zumwalt", minus the issues which led to the cancellation of the program. Maybe something similar to KDDX. But highly unlikely, I don't think DzKK wants anything outside of the MILGEM project for the foreseeable future. Sure, TF-2000's design looks stealthy, but there seems to be a lot of exposed parts. I guess we'll see how it evolves.
 

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Orders have been placed for steels to be used in the next three I-Class frigates.
It seems that the steel cutting ceremonies for all three ships are very near.
As mentioned before, the building of three ships will be completed within 36 months.
 

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Turkish Defence Industry Agency has given full control of TCG Anadolu to Turkish Navy

A question about TCG Anadolu for people with more knowledge than me: Could we use it as something like a mothership for USV's until we get proper escorts around it for its protection, sort of like a carrier group? At least USV's with different configurations could help against different threats and it could be more useful until we need to actually land troops/vehicles.
 

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