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Girkin-Strelkov, the most hawkish of all Russian fascists, started talking about Chinese lend-lease so that Russia would not lose. China's 12-point peace initiative, with the recognition of Donbass by Russia, which will be rejected by the United States and Ukraine, should serve as a formal pretext for lend-lease, since China's peace proposal has been rejected.

Girkin also tells the horrors for Russia in connection with a possible strike by the Ukrainian army on Transnistria, where the Russian population lives. Russia will not be able to provide assistance to Transnistria in any way. Girkin calls nuclear blackmail and intimidation the only option. Otherwise, the captured soldiers of Transnistria, whose population voted three times for joining Russia, will be held hostage for an inexhaustible supply of the exchange fund in order to pull Ukrainian soldiers out of captivity. The interlocutor, Mikhailov, doubts this. Because Moldova and Romania will not dare to resolve the issue of Transnistria by force.

 

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DUSK OVER THE NISTR

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DUSK OVER THE NISTR
Some results of the first year of the military campaign

The development of the situation with the possible liquidation of Transnistria is just the consequences of Moscow's amazing miscalculations. The whole campaign goes into the stalemate stage.
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If the enemy decides to occupy Transnistria, then Moscow will not be able to help Tiraspol in any way. Because after leaving Kherson there is not even a theoretical possibility to break through a land corridor in Transnistria, then taking Nikolaev and Odessa. You cannot build an air bridge in Transnistria: the air defense of Ukraine in the south, in the same Bessarabia (southwest of the Odessa region), was not suppressed. Without this, our transport aircraft will not be able to pass over the Black Sea and fly to Tiraspol along the shortest path over land.
And now we will have to pay in full for the fact that in the spring of 2014, when Odessa could be taken on the move both by the transfer of troops from Pridnestrovie and by the landing of the Black Sea Fleet from the sea, our government was inactive. As we warned about it, the lost victory is severely avenged. Like a rejected woman. (In 2014, we were told that we did not understand anything. But the authorities know better).
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If Transnistria turns out to be occupied by the enemy, then Moscow will not get revenge for the collapse of 1991 (as it was planned back in January 2022), but the inglorious consolidation of the results of Belovezhskaya Pushcha. With the elimination of the most important bridgehead. And with the prospect of waging a protracted, exhausting war, a real positional slaughter. Moreover, in it the Russian Federation, having against itself a bloc of countries with economies 18 times more powerful, has no chance of winning.
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Let's build a simple syllogism.
So, in order to win, the Kremlin must make fundamental decisions, carry out a real “revolution from above” in the country. (Let me not repeat what needs to be done - it has already been written many times).

From the message-2022 on February 21, we saw that fundamental and epoch-making decisions can not be expected.
Anyone can draw a conclusion.

There will be no answers in the form of nuclear weapons either. The West is no longer afraid of hints that it will burn down, and we will go to heaven. No decision has been made even to conduct real underground tests on Novaya Zemlya. For everything depends on whether the enemy conducts similar tests.
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Everything goes into the channel of an extremely dangerous and from all sides disadvantageous to the Russian protracted war. She, like quicksand, draws us in. Instead of a lifeline, “weights” of sanctions are flying to us. The plans of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation (the creation of five new artillery divisions and brigades of heavy artillery of the RGVK for each), announced on December 21, 2022, indicate that the emphasis is on positional actions in the spirit of the First World War.
And since now we will have to wage an exhausting war of the "Verdun type", it is time for the authorities, as Stalin did, to thoroughly understand.
- To what extent does the production of shells correspond to the needs of the front in 15-20 million rounds per year? Is there a “shell hunger” and (if there is one) how to overcome it?
- What about the production of barrels for guns? After all, it is necessary to replace worn-out and shot barrels, and to produce new guns. For example, for new artillery divisions. What's the deal with barrel chrome? What about tungsten for special gun steels?
- How are we doing with the production of gunpowder and special chemicals (explosive for shells)?
- What are our capabilities for the repair of armored vehicles, with the production of transmissions and gearboxes for heavy vehicles?
- What about the production of microelectronics (and not only for weapons), with the production of bearings of all types?
- What volumes of equipment and machines will need to be purchased? Alas, it is inevitable for imports - because their machine tool industry has not been raised since 2000.
- What do we have with the Air Force, with military aviation? Can it provide strikes not only against decision-making centers, but also suppress the air defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, break up railway junction stations with a depot for changing wheelsets from Eurogauge to Russian, with a large turnout facility? Demolish the bridges across the Dnieper and securely isolate the front-line units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from bringing everything necessary to them?
We have already given an example of how Stalin thoroughly, at special meetings, understood such issues. Naturally, behind closed doors.
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If this is not done, the transition of the military campaign to the stage of an acute crisis within the country is only a matter of time. And the actions of angry patriots in this case are a separate issue. Because we only want to win.
 

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Biden 'ruling out' for now sending F-16s to Ukraine, he tells ABC's David Muir​




Intelligence suggests China is considering sending drones and ammunition to Russia, sources familiar say​


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The Kremlin did not comment on the first anniversary of Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24, likely because Russia has failed to achieve any of its stated objectives and has not made significant territorial gains since July 2022.

 
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Ukrainian Armed Forces repelled 70 Russian attacks in five directions

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Ukrainian Armed Forces repelled 70 Russian attacks in five directions


Armed Forces of Ukraine are fighting hard in Donbass

Ukrainian aviation delivered 20 strikes on areas where enemy personnel and military equipment were concentrated, as well as two strikes on anti-aircraft missile systems in a firing position.

During the day, Ukrainian troops repelled about 70 attacks of Russian aggressors in five directions and destroyed several air targets. This was reported by the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the morning report on Saturday, February 25.


Thus, the main efforts of the enemy concentrated on the conduct of offensive operations in the Kupyansky, Limansky, Bakhmutsky, Avdeevsky and Miner directions.

"Over the past 24 hours, our defenders repulsed about 70 enemy attacks in the indicated directions," the message says.

Also, units of the Defense Forces destroyed one Mi-24 attack helicopter and four enemy UAVs (one Orlan-10, one Zala and two Lancet-3).

Ukrainian aviation inflicted 20 strikes on areas of concentration of personnel and military equipment of the occupiers, as well as two strikes on SAM launcher position.

Our gunners and missilemen hit the command post, two enemy manpower concentration areas, and three ammunition depots.

In turn, the Russian invaders launched 27 air strikes and carried out 75 attacks from the MLRS, mainly on peaceful settlements. There are civilian casualties.


Kherson region was aimed to 83 attacks per day, there are casualties


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Consequences of shelling at one of Kherson hospitals


The enemy used multiple rocket launchers, mortars, artillery, tanks and drones.
Over the past day, Russian occupiers shelled settlements in the Kherson region 83 times. As a result, one person was injured, according to the local OVA on the morning of Saturday, February 25.









It is indicated that the enemy used MLRS, mortars, artillery, tanks and drones.

"Kherson was hit by the Russian army nine times. The occupiers hit residential buildings, a preschool educational institution and a medical facility," the report says.

Earlier, the authorities asked the residents of Kherson not to go out until the end of this week. Centers for issuing humanitarian aid and prepared food will not operate in the city.
 
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There would be nothing better for the West than if China decided to do some version of "lend / lease" for Russia and the collective West pulled even 10-20% of our manufacturing back to our collective countries and cut off all Western humanitarian aid to China in response.

Their economy is hyper fragile and their growth trajectory relies on the West buying cheap shit off of them. Russia has a petro economy and their natural resource base is strong, which means they have durability. China's economy is deeply tied to Western purchasing power. We could starve hundreds of millions of Chi Coms if we simply chose to turn the tap off. China should tread lightly.
 

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China entering the chat is something you wouldn't want to fancy about. China isn't as dependant on the West as it was at the past.

China's GDP is export dependant yes, but its export as percentage of GDP has been steadily declining from peak 37% in 2007 to 20% of the economy as of 2022. China's exports are mainly ASEAN, EU and U.S, while public consumption is growing steadily towards 38.2%, if its not because of the Pandemic they could have reached 40% if not more by now. Quite small for OECD standard but we're talking a country of 1.4B people here.

For one I don't know why would China let go of its trade with EU+US for the sake of failing countries like Russian federation, but if they do, its not something that they could not handle.

China is the world's foremost manufacturing juggernaut, dwarfing that of the US and EU combined. You want to go toe to toe with them ? haha good luck, in 2021 alone China's manufacturing accounts for 30% of the world total, followed by the US at 16.5% and Japan at only 7%.

The West could have do the same trick they did with Russia, that is pulling out companies, but the real estate (factories, equipment, infrastructure) will be left behind in China. In other words, the brand will leave but the equipment stays. And unlike Russia, China is self dependant on many machinery tools and equipment (robots). Even to this day we could see Russian copycats of Western brands in the country.

EU exports to PRC is at $600B daily while China to EU is at $1.3T. Theoretically China would lose more in a decoupling with the West, but its not going to be all apocalyptic for the Chinese. The Russian only contracts by 2% last year, not 20 like earlier thought. China is even more resilient than Russia is.

Just to give an idea of what a competition with China will look like, lets take a look at the number of industrial robots.

China again leads by half of the world's total

Steel production again China by quite a margin at 1 Mil metric tons compared to EU's 2nd place at 100K metric tons.

This is just two example, if I want to translate this into artillery shells produced, then its suffice to say that Ukraine will be in deep trouble.

I might not know much about artillery production of China compared to the US/West. But as a Indo-Pac country citizen, I took notice at the two powers shipbuilding. The US commissioned an Arleigh Burke (9000tons) at a rate of 1.5 hulls per year, The Chinese last year commissioned 4x Type 052D (7500 tons) and 3x Type 055 (11.000 tons). If we were to translate the steel used on those ships into shells it will be all to funny.

The question is not if China can win the hypothetical supply game, but will they do it ? Will they lose dollars for saving Russia ? The wise minds might says no, but geopolitical moves are not always motivated by wisdom alone. Maybe provoking China in regards to Taiwan by visiting representative is not the smartest thing to do right now. I heard Xi Jinping doesn't really care much about economy to national dignity. Looks like (if true) Xi is looking at a game of tit for tat with West
 
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Unlike Russia , China's economy is far more integrated into the Global economic system.

It wouldn't be a stretch to claim that the Russo-Ukrainian war has worsened the economic situation in western and non-western countries . Doing the same to China what was done to Russia (even a small fraction) will be catastrophic for the world economy. Supply chains breaking down , many companies going belly up absolute chaos , austerity , loss of jobs followed by societal unrest.

Is it worth collapsing the global economy and causing untold misery ?

The possible ramifications of ''turning the tap off'' on China should be considered carefully.
 

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Unlike Russia , China's economy is far more integrated into the Global economic system.
Exactly, and this is why China has a lot more to lose in an economic war with the West.

China is extremely vulnerable to an economic war. They are dependent on imports of food, energy and raw materials. Their economy can be easily ruined if there is an economic blockade. They need oil from the Middle East, iron ore from Australia and Brazil, copper from Chile, etc.

In case of an escalation, the US can apply huge economic pressure just by forcing Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar and Iraq to stop oil flows to China, or by forcing Australia (a US ally) to stop iron ore shipments. Of course, these are extreme scenarios, but the US has the ability to do it, while there is nothing China can do in retaliation.

The US controls the financial system and the oceans (trade routes). In case of a direct conflict with the US, China stands no chance.
 

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Croatia is officially sending 14, MI-8 transport helicopters to Ukraine. The process is ongoing and will be completed over the next couple weeks. They helicopters are important to Ukrainian logistics and their ability to move key supplies to areas surrounding the front. Furthermore, it allows for faster transport of supplies such as ammunition and anti-tank armor weapons, from the Polish border, to the Eastern and Southern fronts. Having a full fleet of transport helicopters enables the logistical supply line to stay open and it also increases the effectiveness of medevac operations.

MI-8's can be used as CAS gunships as well, and Ukraine has been retrofitting them with rocket pods, but it's a less than ideal use for the air frame at this point in the conflict, due to the amount of anti-air capabilities Russia possesses near the front. Overwhelmingly, the best use of these helicopters will be the movement of troops and critical supplies, behind the front lines.

 
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A critical addition to Ukraine's defense capability is going to be the Switchblade 600 drones that the USA announced in their latest weapons package for Ukraine. Each drone costs roughly $150,000-$200,000 and it has the same warhead as a Javelin missile, made for destroying armor. The drone has a range of 40km and can loiter for approximately 40 minutes.

Russia has used they Lancet drones really well during the conflict, so that fact that Ukraine will now have a similar capability, with a larger warhead than the Russian equivalent, is a big deal as Russia attempts to advance with armor. These drones are also idea for destroying vulnerable artillery systems as they advance in the theatre.

We don't know how many Switchblade 600's were included in the $2 Billion package, but what we do know is that the drone manufacturer, AeroVironment has stated that they are in the process of ramping of their assembly capability from 2000 of these drones each year, to 6000 of them. The U.S. Army has ordered an undisclosed number of them as well, as has Lithuania, who purchased $48 million (roughly 250 drones) worth.

The initial batch of 10 Switchblade 600's were sent to Ukraine in late fall last year. We don't know how many have been delivered between then and now, but I think it's reasonable to think (given the size of the package the USA announced) that Ukraine will be receiving at least 250 of these weapons initially.
 
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China entering the chat is something you wouldn't want to fancy about. China isn't as dependant on the West as it was at the past.

China's GDP is export dependant yes, but its export as percentage of GDP has been steadily declining from peak 37% in 2007 to 20% of the economy as of 2022. China's exports are mainly ASEAN, EU and U.S, while public consumption is growing steadily towards 38.2%, if its not because of the Pandemic they could have reached 40% if not more by now. Quite small for OECD standard but we're talking a country of 1.4B people here.

For one I don't know why would China let go of its trade with EU+US for the sake of failing countries like Russian federation, but if they do, its not something that they could not handle.

China is the world's foremost manufacturing juggernaut, dwarfing that of the US and EU combined. You want to go toe to toe with them ? haha good luck, in 2021 alone China's manufacturing accounts for 30% of the world total, followed by the US at 16.5% and Japan at only 7%.

The West could have do the same trick they did with Russia, that is pulling out companies, but the real estate (factories, equipment, infrastructure) will be left behind in China. In other words, the brand will leave but the equipment stays. And unlike Russia, China is self dependant on many machinery tools and equipment (robots). Even to this day we could see Russian copycats of Western brands in the country.

EU exports to PRC is at $600B daily while China to EU is at $1.3T. Theoretically China would lose more in a decoupling with the West, but its not going to be all apocalyptic for the Chinese. The Russian only contracts by 2% last year, not 20 like earlier thought. China is even more resilient than Russia is.

Just to give an idea of what a competition with China will look like, lets take a look at the number of industrial robots.

China again leads by half of the world's total

Steel production again China by quite a margin at 1 Mil metric tons compared to EU's 2nd place at 100K metric tons.

This is just two example, if I want to translate this into artillery shells produced, then its suffice to say that Ukraine will be in deep trouble.

I might not know much about artillery production of China compared to the US/West. But as a Indo-Pac country citizen, I took notice at the two powers shipbuilding. The US commissioned an Arleigh Burke (9000tons) at a rate of 1.5 hulls per year, The Chinese last year commissioned 4x Type 052D (7500 tons) and 3x Type 055 (11.000 tons). If we were to translate the steel used on those ships into shells it will be all to funny.

The question is not if China can win the hypothetical supply game, but will they do it ? Will they lose dollars for saving Russia ? The wise minds might says no, but geopolitical moves are not always motivated by wisdom alone. Maybe provoking China in regards to Taiwan by visiting representative is not the smartest thing to do right now. I heard Xi Jinping doesn't really care much about economy to national dignity. Looks like (if true) Xi is looking at a game of tit for tat with West
China is not a country where information unflattering to the regime is freely collected and disseminated. One needs to take their official data, including economic data, with a huge pile of salt. For example, in recent years China had been faking their births/deaths data, forcing them to make a sudden huge correction last year.

And of course, China is a totalitarian Marxist state. To see how well that type of government runs without the help of the West, just look at China pre-1979 - it's just endless famine and poverty.

Militarily, China has no significant blue water navy and requires huge imports of oil from the distant ME and elsewhere. This means that if the US decides to stop policing China's global commerce, China will be very vulnerable to supply line attacks by almost anyone.

One could argue that if China were being rational, they would quickly side with the West. But all that would really do is buy them a small amount of time - China is demographically collapsing and nothing can be done to stop it. So who's to say what decisions its ruler will make?
 

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China is not a country where information unflattering to the regime is freely collected and disseminated. One needs to take their official data, including economic data, with a huge pile of salt. For example, in recent years China had been faking their births/deaths data, forcing them to make a sudden huge correction last year.
Most of the link I gave comes from Western source. China maybe like to amend its GDP, but industrial exports are something that is easily traced.
And of course, China is a totalitarian Marxist state. To see how well that type of government runs without the help of the West, just look at China pre-1979 - it's just endless famine and poverty.

China 2023 and China of Mao is a totally different country whatsoever. China may still have some dependence on the West on some (like high end chips) but the other, they're self sufficient.

Militarily, China has no significant blue water navy and requires huge imports of oil from the distant ME and elsewhere. This means that if the US decides to stop policing China's global commerce, China will be very vulnerable to supply line attacks by almost anyone.

China has bases in Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea. If the U.S would stop policing China's global commerce, their navy stationed there will have done the job, Pakistan is one country willing to give way for PLAN base.

And who has the balls to attack China supply line anyway ? The only one mad enough to attack China's shipping will be pirates, which is no biggie. A state actor wanting to blockade China equals war, because in the law of war blockade is an act of war. That's another matter.
Do not think that a worsening of global commerce will only affect China, it will affect the goods coming into Europe/West which also comes from China. In other words. the standard of life will decrease for both sides.

One could argue that if China were being rational, they would quickly side with the West. But all that would really do is buy them a small amount of time - China is demographically collapsing and nothing can be done to stop it. So who's to say what decisions its ruler will make?

I've made it clear that geopolitical moves are not always driven by rationality. personally I don't buy the story that China is seeking to export munitions to Russia, but if they do, its something that they have calculated to be viable.

Every country, even as mad as North Korea will have a basic understanding of gains and losses. If they think the gain is greater than the loss they'll do it anyway.
 

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