TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[CAN_TR]

Unfortunately Türkiye made many mistakes regarding foreign policy in the Middle East and those mistakes were mostly a personel thing of our Goverment.

And if you break carefully build up relations with X country because of personel differences, then you literally dump years of diplomacy into the trash. And now we are the ones who want to rebuild relations with Israel, Egypt and even Syria and guess what they have the high ground in the talks.

 

[TheInsider]

MB is removed from everywhere.

 

[Lool]

Unfortunately Türkiye made many mistakes regarding foreign policy in the Middle East and those mistakes were mostly a personel thing of our Goverment.

And if you break carefully build up relations with X country because of personel differences, then you literally dump years of diplomacy into the trash. And now we are the ones who want to rebuild relations with Israel, Egypt and even Syria and guess what they have the high ground in the talks.

Since when did Egypt and Syria had the high grounds regarding any talks? The only reason they are acting as if they dont care is because the opposition promised that they will get out from Syria and Libya. Therefore, it doesnt make sense to try and reach a compromise with Erdogan, when the opposition can give both Syria and Egypt what they want on a silver plate and for free

That is why both nations are stalling until the election starts

 

[Lool]

MB is removed from everywhere.

Just saying, but the MB is removed Because no Arab monarchy wants the people to rule themselves democratically

The main problem with the MB isnt that they are Islamists or even terrorists but the fact that they are elected democratically. Within the framework of Western, Russian, and Jewish foreign policy, no democracy must be allowed to survive within the Med East and that is one of the reason why they wanted to reinstill a military coup in 2016 in Turkey

 

[Bozan]

Erdogan does a drone strike as a warning to coalition in Iraq, ineffective

US does not even care about the warning


Iraq gets angry, files arbitration award with US court to seize 1.4 billion dollars (+interest) of Turkish assets in the US

"A second source said officials in Ankara have been caught off-guard by Baghdad’s decision to file an enforcement action against Turkey in Washington, especially after Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s order to double the flow of water along the Tigris River to drought-stricken Iraq for a month, which they thought a neighbourly gesture."

The oil is now not sold at Ceyhan to Israel, who was the biggest buyer because Iran has managed to force Iraq to cut all relations with Israel and take control of all oil sales through SOMO, Ceyhan income lost. KRG is driving oil by trucks to sell what they can but Ankara cannot sell anything, only buy

Israel angry with Ankara for damaging its energy security, will purchase oil from elsewhere

Wow, what geopolitics mastery over a need to "look strong" at home

The US is laughing to the bank, Halkbank

Turkey mulls seeking US court to enforce $527m oil award against Iraq

Ankara may retaliate against Iraq for petitioning a US court to collect $1.4bn oil arbitration award over the KRG oil export dispute

www.middleeasteye.net

 

[ADMusa]

we must have had a thousand "normalisations" under AK party, none of them lasted longer then a few months. What matters ultimately when dealing with these states is power. I suspect a big part of advertising all of these military developments is about sending a message to these hostile states. Either we make a win win deal in the east med where we all win and by doing so it forces us to protect each other, or they can continue the path of hostility and eventually the Turkish state will destroy their ambitions via direct military force. Libya really was just a small taste of things to come.

What was achieved in Libya with such a token force and using some cheap TB2 drones was a big wake up call, its only been a few years since then and TB2 is already old news as far as Turkish drone capabilities have come along.

If the Egyptians or rather Israeli puppet of choice sisi, the man mossed told to even attend prays to deceive the people of Egypt is coming around its not that he wants to, its because he sees the writing on the wall.

Many of these arab despots from sisi to the house of saud felt they could hide behind russian military strength in Libya. The Russian shitshow in Ukraine is making these nations recalculate if they are protected from Turkish might in Libya. Russians military look like they are on a downward spiral, while Turkiye looks like its military capabilities are growing on a monthly basis.

Never take any of their actions in good faith, this is not how these people think or behave, everything is either a deception to screw you later or its a survival mechanism.

Well said. I heard Sisi even sent Mango juice several times to Erdogan to share with Turkish officials so that they accept him as Egypt's legitimate ruler and normalize relations. These tyrants are often cowards. They are willing to massacre civilians cos unarmed civilians cannot fight back. But when faced with a peer military force, they develop cold feet.
You are right that their actions are never in good faith. They either want to buy time or to survive. They've done a lot to harm Turkey, especially the U.A.E. I was sad to learn that Turkey sold 20 TB2 drones to the U.A.E. The Emiratis are claiming they've turned a new leaf with Turkey. But they are building separatist forces in Somalia, which threatens the U.N.-recognized and Turkey-backed government of Somalia. This is preparing the ground for a future civil war in a country Turkey has helped a lot to stabilize.
The U.A.E. has also started a civil war in Sudan by buying over the RSF. These despots try to buy over the entire military leadership of countries or groups and then use them to crush democracy. A similar situation is playing out in Pakistan, but here, they are having less success.

Turkey needs to do whatever it can to get Pakistan's nuclear protection. Russia killed several Turkish soldiers in Syria in February 2020 although it paid dearly for it via Russian lives lost in Syria and Libya within the same year. But this should be a serious red flag for Turkey. Putin dared to take such a dangerous move because Turkey isn't nuclear armed. He hasn't dared to take any such risky moves on U.S. forces in Syria or the Israelis that routinely bomb his client, Assad. I have a strong feeling that the U.S. is manipulating events in Pakistan because it knows Pakistan is the ONLY country that can offer Turkey true nuclear protection. So they don't want a Turkey-friendly leadership in Pakistan, which is why they took out Imran Khan. One of the best things that can happen for the Muslims in our generation is a military alliance between Turkey and Pakistan. Pakistan has the nukes while Turkey has the defence industry for all conventional weapons. They won't need the West or any other country for anything related to weaponry very soon Insha Allah. Pakistan could deploy nukes and even military bases in Turkey while Turkey can have military bases in Pakistan too. This will make the likes of Putin or the U.S./Greece/France think twice before striking Turkish soldiers. That one incident made me hate Putin to this very day and consider Russia as one of the most dangerous threats to the Muslim world and needs to be dealt with. What do you think about a Turkey-Pakistan-Azerbaijan military alliance?

 

[ADMusa]

Just out of interest has the MB succeeded anywhere? Is there any countries where they are in power and the country runs generally fine? One thing i remember Morsi doing was his rush to Islamises egyption society, so much so that even erdogan when visiting morsi in egypt made a speech about secularism and its importance and that the egyptions shouldn't lose sight of it.

The MB will generally have to rethink its strategy. The prophet (SAWS) forbids attempting to overthrow governments via domestic protests, even if it's a corrupt and unislamic government. Because doing that typically only leads to greater oppression of Muslims by tyrant leaders. The MB went against this wise instruction of our beloved prophet SAWS. Now look where it's landed Egypt. Thousands killed and imprisoned. Sisi makes Hosni Mubarak appear really kind. Many have died in Syria and millions displaced. What did the MB achieve by copying the West in trying to remove governments via popular protests? More misery for the very Muslim population they wanted the save.

This should be a lesson and never should we try to remove a corrupt government via protests and revolutions. We should instead focus on reforming the society. Educating ourselves, educating our families, neighbours, friends, community, etc. We should focus on teaching people to develop piety and find legitimate means of earning a living. If we can do this, many corrupt leaders will change and Allah will bring better leaders for us. This is Allah's promise. He won't change our situation unless we change. But the MB wants us to bring about these positive changes by demonstrating in the streets. Without Allah's help, our demonstrations will be useless. And by disobeying the prophets instructions not to demonstrate against governments, we already lost help from Allah.

I'm against secularism. Erdogan is against it too even if he doesn't say. Islam and secularism can never coexist peacefully. The current political battle in Turkey is over Islam and secularism. Secularism is "slow apostasy". No Muslim should support it. It's just one of the West's fucked up tricks to de-islamise Muslim communities. But it has largely failed.

I want the Arab tyrants overthrown, but by foreign military intervention of another pious Muslim country. I would support Erdogan militarily conquering these countries and will even volunteer to travel to Turkey and join the army that undertakes the invasions. It would be Islamically permissible for Erdogan to do that if he has the power. But I'm against civilian protesting to overthrow governments.

 

[Afif]

Turkey needs to do whatever it can to get Pakistan's nuclear protection. Russia killed several Turkish soldiers in Syria in February 2020 although it paid dearly for it via Russian lives lost in Syria and Libya within the same year. But this should be a serious red flag for Turkey. Putin dared to take such a dangerous move because Turkey isn't nuclear armed. He hasn't dared to take any such risky moves on U.S. forces in Syria or the Israelis that routinely bomb his client, Assad. I have a strong feeling that the U.S. is manipulating events in Pakistan because it knows Pakistan is the ONLY country that can offer Turkey true nuclear protection. So they don't want a Turkey-friendly leadership in Pakistan, which is why they took out Imran Khan. One of the best things that can happen for the Muslims in our generation is a military alliance between Turkey and Pakistan. Pakistan has the nukes while Turkey has the defence industry for all conventional weapons. They won't need the West or any other country for anything related to weaponry very soon Insha Allah. Pakistan could deploy nukes and even military bases in Turkey while Turkey can have military bases in Pakistan too. This will make the likes of Putin or the U.S./Greece/France think twice before striking Turkish soldiers. That one incident made me hate Putin to this very day and consider Russia as one of the most dangerous threats to the Muslim world and needs to be dealt with. What do you think about a Turkey-Pakistan-Azerbaijan military alliance?

Right now this is as far fetched as it can gets, Pakistan is barely hanging on right now.
It needs to be develop a lot socially and economically and institutionally to be a worthy partner for Turkey.

Sure, having nukes has its own advantages. However, to project that nuclear power far from home requires two things.

1. first and foremost, economic and technological capabilities of a developed country. (Technical requirement)

2. As well as strategic geopolitical and economic ties and interest that needs to be protected At any cost. (Practical requirement)

And these requirements are not fulfilled (Specially not from Pakistan)

 

[ADMusa]

Unfortunately Türkiye made many mistakes regarding foreign policy in the Middle East and those mistakes were mostly a personel thing of our Goverment.

And if you break carefully build up relations with X country because of personel differences, then you literally dump years of diplomacy into the trash. And now we are the ones who want to rebuild relations with Israel, Egypt and even Syria and guess what they have the high ground in the talks.

They don't have the high grounds in talks. Russia is fighting the U.S. in Ukraine. The U.S. is trying to help defend Ukraine. Assad + Russia + Iran have demonstrated a clear lack of courage to confront Israel, let alone the U.S. Believe me, if Turkey had even a tenth of Russia's nuclear protection, the U.S. won't be building a PKK terror group in Syria right now. It would have led to a direct military clash with Turkey. This is generally why it's really important that the hypocrites in Pakistan (Asim Munir and his partners), so that Pakistan and Turkey can form a true military alliance that offers full nuclear protection to both states.

Sisi is at Erdogan's mercy due to the threat that Libya poses to his regime's survival.

 

[Heartbang]

1. first and foremost, economic and technological capabilities of a developed country. (Technical requirement)

2. As well as strategic geopolitical and economic ties and interest that needs to be protected At any cost. (Practical requirement)

You could say we already have those.

Believe me, if Turkey had even a tenth of Russia's nuclear protection, the U.S. won't be building a PKK terror group in Syria right now. It would have led to a direct military clash with Turkey. This is generally why it's really important that the hypocrites in Pakistan (Asim Munir and his partners), so that Pakistan and Turkey can form a true military alliance that offers full nuclear protection to both states.

In my opinion, Erdogan is aware of the importance of nukes. And he'll make them before he leaves office. It will also take a shorter time, due to the scale of Turkish industry.

 

[Bürküt]

The MB will generally have to rethink its strategy. The prophet (SAWS) forbids attempting to overthrow governments via domestic protests, even if it's a corrupt and unislamic government. Because doing that typically only leads to greater oppression of Muslims by tyrant leaders. The MB went against this wise instruction of our beloved prophet SAWS. Now look where it's landed Egypt. Thousands killed and imprisoned. Sisi makes Hosni Mubarak appear really kind. Many have died in Syria and millions displaced. What did the MB achieve by copying the West in trying to remove governments via popular protests? More misery for the very Muslim population they wanted the save.

This should be a lesson and never should we try to remove a corrupt government via protests and revolutions. We should instead focus on reforming the society. Educating ourselves, educating our families, neighbours, friends, community, etc. We should focus on teaching people to develop piety and find legitimate means of earning a living. If we can do this, many corrupt leaders will change and Allah will bring better leaders for us. This is Allah's promise. He won't change our situation unless we change. But the MB wants us to bring about these positive changes by demonstrating in the streets. Without Allah's help, our demonstrations will be useless. And by disobeying the prophets instructions not to demonstrate against governments, we already lost help from Allah.

I'm against secularism. Erdogan is against it too even if he doesn't say. Islam and secularism can never coexist peacefully. The current political battle in Turkey is over Islam and secularism. Secularism is "slow apostasy". No Muslim should support it. It's just one of the West's fucked up tricks to de-islamise Muslim communities. But it has largely failed.

I want the Arab tyrants overthrown, but by foreign military intervention of another pious Muslim country. I would support Erdogan militarily conquering these countries and will even volunteer to travel to Turkey and join the army that undertakes the invasions. It would be Islamically permissible for Erdogan to do that if he has the power. But I'm against civilian protesting to overthrow governments.

Nobody cares about how anyone lives their religion. The only thing that matters is self-interest in the eyes of Americans. So much so that despotic Arab leaders become very modern. Communist terrorist organizations become libertarian people.

And I conclude my words by responding to what you said about secularism with the words of our founding leader."Friends, lords and folks, know well that the Republic of Turkey cannot be a land of sheikhs, dervishes, disciples and madmen. The most true and true cult is the cult of civilization... The true guide in life is science."

 

[ADMusa]

Erdogan does a drone strike as a warning to coalition in Iraq, ineffective

US does not even care about the warning


Iraq gets angry, files arbitration award with US court to seize 1.4 billion dollars (+interest) of Turkish assets in the US

"A second source said officials in Ankara have been caught off-guard by Baghdad’s decision to file an enforcement action against Turkey in Washington, especially after Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s order to double the flow of water along the Tigris River to drought-stricken Iraq for a month, which they thought a neighbourly gesture."

The oil is now not sold at Ceyhan to Israel, who was the biggest buyer because Iran has managed to force Iraq to cut all relations with Israel and take control of all oil sales through SOMO, Ceyhan income lost. KRG is driving oil by trucks to sell what they can but Ankara cannot sell anything, only buy

Israel angry with Ankara for damaging its energy security, will purchase oil from elsewhere

Wow, what geopolitics mastery over a need to "look strong" at home

The US is laughing to the bank, Halkbank

Turkey mulls seeking US court to enforce $527m oil award against Iraq

Ankara may retaliate against Iraq for petitioning a US court to collect $1.4bn oil arbitration award over the KRG oil export dispute

www.middleeasteye.net

Just one of Biden's evil plans against Turkey and his maniacal anger for not succeeding to depose Erdogan in 2016. It's just temporary setback and hasn't any serious effects on Turkey's economy. What's important is that America petrodollar hegemony in the Middle East will be gradually undone and then dollar will become toilet paper. America's sanctions power will evaporate. It's defence budget will shrink from 500+ billions to less than 200 billion. Maintaining U.S. military installations around the world or even maintaining its present military will be impossible. Then we'll see what the U.S. will do.

 

[Afif]

This should be a lesson and never should we try to remove a corrupt government via protests and revolutions. We should instead focus on reforming the society. Educating ourselves, educating our families, neighbours, friends, community, etc. We should focus on teaching people to develop piety and find legitimate means of earning a living. If we can do this, many corrupt leaders will change and Allah will bring better leaders for us. This is Allah's promise. He won't change our situation unless we change. But the MB wants us to bring about these positive changes by demonstrating in the streets. Without Allah's help, our demonstrations will be useless. And by disobeying the prophets instructions not to demonstrate against governments, we already lost help from Allah..

This is about social reforms, not so much has to do with geopolitics And international relationship.

I'm against secularism. Erdogan is against it too even if he doesn't say. Islam and secularism can never coexist peacefully. The current political battle in Turkey is over Islam and secularism. Secularism is "slow apostasy". No Muslim should support it. It's just one of the West's fucked up tricks to de-islamise Muslim communities. But it has largely failed.

Secularism is REQUIRED if want to run a 21th century Nation State (Maybe not the French model but at some extent it is definitely important)

Secularism is not 'slow apostasy',

Don't mistake Secularism as a synonym for Western culture and their way of life as whole.
They are not the same thing. And when I am talking about secularism, I am not advocating for the later.

In a nutshell, there are social, institutional and political changes that needs to happen due to economic and technological advances that countries makes in modern era regardless of their religion. And just because Western countries were first to develop economically and technologically and adopt those changes in their in social and political life, does not inevitably mean those changes are bad and will de-islamise the society and destroy our identity.

Some changes in Western societies are mostly cultural (which we can avoid in a balanced way) And some changes are due to economic and technological advances (which we need to adopt if we want to Keep up with 21th century world)

There is a third category of changes, which is actually the grey area. where cost benefit analysis of adopting it is always not so obvious, specially in social life. Here, we need to navigate more carefully.

 

[ADMusa]

Right now this is as far fetched as it can gets, Pakistan is barely hanging on right now.
It needs to be develop a lot socially and economically and institutionally to be a worthy partner for Turkey.

Sure, having nukes has its own advantages. However, to project that nuclear power far from home requires two things.

1. first and foremost, economic and technological capabilities of a developed country. (Technical requirement)

2. As well as strategic geopolitical and economic ties and interest that needs to be protected At any cost. (Practical requirement)

And these requirements are not fulfilled from any side (Specially not from Pakistan)

Pakistan doesn't need to fulfill any of the requirements you mentioned above. And military alliance with Turkey isn't far-fetched. in fact, it's closer than ever. The only people stopping it are Washington's pigs in the Pakistani military. But it looks like their end is near with the rise of Imran Khan.

How much does it cost to produce nuclear weapon? less than $100 million. Maintenance even costs less. Besides, Turkey or Qatar will easily foot the bill since the deployment of these nuclear weapons are for Turkey's security. NATO's nukes in Turkey is bullshit. It doesn't protect Turkey. It's just the typical Western pretext while they kill you from within. I pray for the day they are replaced with Pakistani nukes.

 

[what]

@ADMusa

Take this as a formal and public warning to refrain from using insulting language towards Turks and Turkey or secularists in general.

80% of Turkish people if not more do support secularism and I will not sit iddle and watch you insult them as apostates, hypocrites etc.

 

[Afif]

You could say we already have those.

How so?

We need to keep in mind I am not talking here about Turkey's conventional defence industry, which is on per with first world countries like Korea or Italy.
However, I am talking about economic and technological capabilities as whole. Where Turkey is not on per with those said countries yet.

Coming to the practical requirement of such partnerships, it doesn’t exist between two countries. Turkey and Pakistan does not hold strategically critical economic and geopolitical importance to each other that’s needs to be protected at any cost.

 

[Lool]

Erdogan does a drone strike as a warning to coalition in Iraq, ineffective

US does not even care about the warning


Iraq gets angry, files arbitration award with US court to seize 1.4 billion dollars (+interest) of Turkish assets in the US

"A second source said officials in Ankara have been caught off-guard by Baghdad’s decision to file an enforcement action against Turkey in Washington, especially after Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s order to double the flow of water along the Tigris River to drought-stricken Iraq for a month, which they thought a neighbourly gesture."

The oil is now not sold at Ceyhan to Israel, who was the biggest buyer because Iran has managed to force Iraq to cut all relations with Israel and take control of all oil sales through SOMO, Ceyhan income lost. KRG is driving oil by trucks to sell what they can but Ankara cannot sell anything, only buy

Israel angry with Ankara for damaging its energy security, will purchase oil from elsewhere

Wow, what geopolitics mastery over a need to "look strong" at home

The US is laughing to the bank, Halkbank

Turkey mulls seeking US court to enforce $527m oil award against Iraq

Ankara may retaliate against Iraq for petitioning a US court to collect $1.4bn oil arbitration award over the KRG oil export dispute

www.middleeasteye.net

Iraq doesnt have the balls to commit such acts alone
It is probably a move done with US support behind the scenes as a retaliation to Turkey's recent drone attack on the asshole, Mazloum Abdi

We will see how Turkey will respond

 

[Ryder]

Erdogan does a drone strike as a warning to coalition in Iraq, ineffective

US does not even care about the warning


Iraq gets angry, files arbitration award with US court to seize 1.4 billion dollars (+interest) of Turkish assets in the US

"A second source said officials in Ankara have been caught off-guard by Baghdad’s decision to file an enforcement action against Turkey in Washington, especially after Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s order to double the flow of water along the Tigris River to drought-stricken Iraq for a month, which they thought a neighbourly gesture."

The oil is now not sold at Ceyhan to Israel, who was the biggest buyer because Iran has managed to force Iraq to cut all relations with Israel and take control of all oil sales through SOMO, Ceyhan income lost. KRG is driving oil by trucks to sell what they can but Ankara cannot sell anything, only buy

Israel angry with Ankara for damaging its energy security, will purchase oil from elsewhere

Wow, what geopolitics mastery over a need to "look strong" at home

The US is laughing to the bank, Halkbank

Turkey mulls seeking US court to enforce $527m oil award against Iraq

Ankara may retaliate against Iraq for petitioning a US court to collect $1.4bn oil arbitration award over the KRG oil export dispute

www.middleeasteye.net

Iraq and the Kurds cant do shit lol. We can easily steam roll them and turn the water off if they dont behave.

They are hiding behind the Americans.

So much for Death to America from Shia Iraqis

 

[dBSPL]

Greece Offers Turkey Shared Energy Strategy, Project During Truce​

April 17, 2023
By The National Herald

In an interview with Greece’s state broadcaster ERT, Dendias stated that both sides should sit down after the elections and discuss the possibility of sharing potentially profitable energy projects instead of fighting over them. This proposal assumes that both leaders will return to power.

https://www.thenationalherald.com/greece-offers-turkey-shared-energy-strategy-project-during-truce/

lol. To understand this and to get to this point, as the country that spends the most money (actually it is not money that is spent, it is borrowing) per capita on armaments in Europe (I think they have overtaken the US too), it had to spend, or rather borrow, another 30 billion dollars; to provide the US with indefinite allocation of a large number of military bases despite the lack of any concrete gains, as Tsipras put it; and, in a state of paranoia, to go through the fiasco of a nationwide wiretapping network. They dragged the country into the another stuck with an arms race they could never win.

 

[Heartbang]

that both sides should sit down after the elections

I'd like everyone to pay attention to this. They clearly expect us to "bend the knee" after the elections