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[Heartbang]

In 2014, former commander of Air Combat Command, Gen. Hostag stated in an interview that, F-35's RCS is smaller then F-22's.

“The F-35 is geared to go out and take down the surface targets,” says Hostage, leaning forward. “The F-35 doesn’t have the altitude, doesn’t have the speed [of the F-22], but it can beat the F-22 in stealth.”

Gen. Mike Hostage On The F-35; No Growlers Needed When War Starts - Breaking Defense

For years, the news about the most expensive conventional weapons system in US history, the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, has been driven by its soaring costs, technical problems and schedule screw-ups. The government and Congress and the public rarely speak about what the F-35 will do, how...

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This was later confirmed by Gen. Bogdan, Fq-35 Program Executive Officer.

“I would say that General Hostage … is accurate in his statement about the simple stealthiness of the F-35 [with regard] to other airplanes,” Bogdan said in the interview. The statement was accurate for radar cross section, as measured in decibels, and range of detectability, he said, and he scoffed at the notion that anyone can tell how stealthy an aircraft is just by looking at it.

The F-35 on Final Approach | Air & Space Forces Magazine

The massive strike fighter program is less than a year from initial combat readiness.

www.airandspaceforces.com

Col. Chris Niemi who has eight years in the cockpit of an F-22 and is one of the few Air Force pilots who is qualified in both the Raptor and the F-35 Lightning II stated that, he wanted to set the record straight on the Lightning II, once and for all. “Many have compared the F-22 to the F-35 but that comparison is unfair. With the F-35 Lightning, this fighter sees better, has more range, and is stealthier than any of its predecessors. This airplane, with its fly by wire technology, is super easy to fly and it has a very linear response.”

F-35 Lightning public debut shows the right stuff

After 15 years of political wrangling, setbacks, and successes, an F-35 Lightning II made its civilian airshow debut July 23 at EAA AirVenture.

www.aopa.org

I do wonder how the F-35's EW capabilities factor into those statements. If the F-35 doesn't need to conduct EW to be stealthier than the F-22, that would be quite impressive.

 

[Afif]

I do wonder how the F-35's EW capabilities factor into those statements. If the F-35 doesn't need to conduct EW to be stealthier than the F-22, that would be quite impressive.

I think this makes it pretty clear.

"I would say that General Hostage … is accurate in his statement about the simple stealthiness of the F-35 [with regard] to other airplanes,” The statement was accurate for radar cross section, as measured in decibels, and range of detectability, he said, and he scoffed at the notion that anyone can tell how stealthy an aircraft is just by looking at it."

 

[Huelague]

In 2014, former commander of Air Combat Command, Gen. Hostag stated in an interview that, F-35's RCS is smaller then F-22's.

“The F-35 is geared to go out and take down the surface targets,” says Hostage, leaning forward. “The F-35 doesn’t have the altitude, doesn’t have the speed [of the F-22], but it can beat the F-22 in stealth.”

Gen. Mike Hostage On The F-35; No Growlers Needed When War Starts - Breaking Defense

For years, the news about the most expensive conventional weapons system in US history, the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, has been driven by its soaring costs, technical problems and schedule screw-ups. The government and Congress and the public rarely speak about what the F-35 will do, how...

breakingdefense.com

This was later confirmed by Gen. Bogdan, Fq-35 Program Executive Officer.

“I would say that General Hostage … is accurate in his statement about the simple stealthiness of the F-35 [with regard] to other airplanes,” Bogdan said in the interview. The statement was accurate for radar cross section, as measured in decibels, and range of detectability, he said, and he scoffed at the notion that anyone can tell how stealthy an aircraft is just by looking at it.

The F-35 on Final Approach | Air & Space Forces Magazine

The massive strike fighter program is less than a year from initial combat readiness.

www.airandspaceforces.com

Col. Chris Niemi who has eight years in the cockpit of an F-22 and is one of the few Air Force pilots who is qualified in both the Raptor and the F-35 Lightning II stated that, he wanted to set the record straight on the Lightning II, once and for all. “Many have compared the F-22 to the F-35 but that comparison is unfair. With the F-35 Lightning, this fighter sees better, has more range, and is stealthier than any of its predecessors. This airplane, with its fly by wire technology, is super easy to fly and it has a very linear response.”

F-35 Lightning public debut shows the right stuff

After 15 years of political wrangling, setbacks, and successes, an F-35 Lightning II made its civilian airshow debut July 23 at EAA AirVenture.

www.aopa.org

Edit- to be fair I should also add this-

"The F-35’s cross section is smaller than the F-22’s, but that does not mean, Hostage concedes, that the F-35 is necessarily superior to the F-22 when we go to war. In fact, Hostage says that it takes eight F-35s to do what two F-22s can handle." (in Air superiority given superior speed, altitude and maneuverability)

The whole jet or from special angles? What could be the reason why F-35 has to be a lower RCS?

 

[Afif]

The whole jet or from special angles? What could be the reason why F-35 has to be a lower RCS?

Good question, but tbh, I don't know the exact answer. (Probably not the whole jet, F-22 for sure has better RCS from rear-aspect due to its unique nozzles)

 

[Huelague]

Good question, but tbh, I don't know the exact answer. (Probably not the whole jet, F-22 for sure has better RCS from rear-aspect due to its unique nozzles)

20 years later. Is it possible that in F-35 more radar absorbing material are used, same goes to paint (matured nano technology).

 

[Era_shield]

I think this makes it pretty clear.

"I would say that General Hostage … is accurate in his statement about the simple stealthiness of the F-35 [with regard] to other airplanes,” The statement was accurate for radar cross section, as measured in decibels, and range of detectability, he said, and he scoffed at the notion that anyone can tell how stealthy an aircraft is just by looking at it."

I'd be a little more sceptical about unverifiable statements about a product made by people who, at that time, were on a marketing push to sell it (and yes, the military itself was involved in that, not only L-M). Actions speak louder than words.

 

[Afif]

I'd be a little more sceptical about unverifiable statements about a product made by people who, at that time, were on a marketing push to sell it (and yes, the military itself was involved in that, not only L-M). Actions speak louder than words.

Let's agree to disagree then.

 

[CAN_TR]

Divertless intake (DSI) improves the RCS since there is no gap between the inlet and the main body but a bump which is also reducing radar reflection of the engine (inlet, fan...). Less parts/less moving parts which means lighter and more reliable.

Diverter inlets are better in higher speeds and when it comes to maneuverability.

 

[Baryshx]

I say F22, F35 you are not with us.

Anyway, if the F35 was any good, it would not have been given to its allies. Let the allies continue with the export version of the F35. Soon, the real US plane to replace the F22 will be revealed.

 

[MADDOG]

My post no longer exists due to understandable reasons. Sometimes I feel like these news outlets go too far with their content... How TAI allows this is beyond me.

 

[TsumugiShirogane]

Afif disappoints me once challenge: impossible. He takes the words right out of my mouth everytime!

Wrong. The F-22 has a far superior RCS to that of the F-35.

Not really. F-35 IS stealthier than the F-22. As @Afif put it above. The F-22 is outdated compared to F-35 and is planned to be phased out.

also DSI has mainly nothing to do with stealth but with easing of maintenance and cost.

..No. Diverterless supersonic inlets improve the stealth characteristics compared to conventional boundary layer diverters. Refer to https://doi.org/10.1007/978-981-15-9601-8_38.
As for the ability to supercruise, I highly doubt it will prove an advantage against the F-35 which can detect and track it over a greater distance. The J-20 also has them, for a purpose. The greater size and the lack of DSI will mean the F-35 fires first, since stealth trumps radars of today. Is the jet betting on evading the Meteor?

What I believe is that the dual F-110 engines don't provide enough thrust, so the intake inlets had to be added for it to be able to achieve supercruise. And this was a mistake in my opinion. The Russian doctrine of high maneuverability/agility fighters is obsolete and will stand no chance against the stealth doctrine of tomorrow.

 

[Heartbang]

the F-35 which can detect and track it over a greater distance. The greater size and the lack of DSI will mean the F-35 fires first, since stealth trumps radars of today.

You are wrong for several reasons:

1. KAAN will pack a larger, more powerful radar with a bigger T/R count than the F-35. The more powerful your radar is, the longer your detection range gets.
2. DSI's benefits on RCS against non-DSI aircraft is negligible enough to counteract with RAM paint. (don't try to refute this with the "source" you provided, its utter drivel)
3. Larger aircraft are actually tends to be more stealthy. As a natural phenomenon, When your radar of x unit wavelength hits a surface smaller than x/8 unit, the radar energy sent gets to be resonated and amplified across the airframe, returning a larger than usual radar cross section. This is why the B-2 bomber gets to be more stealthier against the VHF/UHF frequency radars, BTW.

I recommend you read this: https://www.veryansintv.com/yazar/beyazit-karatas/kose-yazisi/turk-kartali-milli-muharip-ucak-1/

 

[Era_shield]

Afif disappoints me once challenge: impossible. He takes the words right out of my mouth everytime!

Not really. F-35 IS stealthier than the F-22. As @Afif put it above. The F-22 is outdated compared to F-35 and is planned to be phased out.
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..No. Diverterless supersonic inlets improve the stealth characteristics compared to conventional boundary layer diverters. Refer to https://doi.org/10.1007/978-981-15-9601-8_38.
As for the ability to supercruise, I highly doubt it will prove an advantage against the F-35 which can detect and track it over a greater distance. The J-20 also has them, for a purpose. The greater size and the lack of DSI will mean the F-35 fires first, since stealth trumps radars of today. Is the jet betting on evading the Meteor?

What I believe is that the dual F-110 engines don't provide enough thrust, so the intake inlets had to be added for it to be able to achieve supercruise. And this was a mistake in my opinion. The Russian doctrine of high maneuverability/agility fighters is obsolete and will stand no chance against the stealth doctrine of tomorrow.

No offense but almost everything you said is wrong.

 

[Pilatino]

The reason of lower RCS of F35 in compare to F22 is its unique radar absorbing paint / material. And the good news is its developed by a Turk in the USA and he's very nationalistic person so we can say cheers

 

[neosinan]

The reason of lower RCS of F35 in compare to F22 is its unique radar absorbing paint / material. And the good news is its developed by a Turk in the USA and he's very nationalistic person so we can say cheers

Are you serious rn? Can u DM me the name or Is it just a rumour with no name attached?

 

[Pilatino]

Are you serious rn? Can u DM me the name or Is it just a rumour with no name attached?

I'm dead serious about it. His name is Ergün Kırlıkovalı. He was the leading engineer for that tech.

 

[fushkee]

I am suspicious about that. Eventually, it is a classified technology and even if he is a Turk, he can not sell or transfer the technology or product as he wants directly. There are some strict regulations and laws.

 

[Pilatino]

I am suspicious about that. Eventually, it is a classified technology and even if he is a Turk, he can not sell or transfer the technology or product as he wants directly. There are some strict regulations and laws.

If you say so, buddy.

 

[Zafer]

We can't rely on tech that is known by others. There maybe weakneses in the tech that can be taken advantage of once it is on our planes. So we have to keep developing our own coating tech no matter what.

 

[Huelague]

The reason of lower RCS of F35 in compare to F22 is its unique radar absorbing paint / material. And the good news is its developed by a Turk in the USA and he's very nationalistic person so we can say cheers

Who is it?