TR Defence Exports & Updates

[Anmdt]

What do you think of this „rumor“?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1685558615783116803

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1685627388271747072

Here I think our friend went a bit overboard in his concept.

Didn’t Indonesia choose Havelsan‘s ADVENT? Maybe we will further Turkish equipment make its way on their AH-140 frigates (MIDLAS, CENK-S ?)

Now I’m also interest in if your own Navy would be interested in such a variant of the AH-140

It is sure an interesting concept but full CAFRAD suite is an overkill there . It is way too much for a general purpose frigate and 32 cells. They are also getting AD missiles from Roketsan (to be used with Excalibur Army's AD system on the land) so it would be logical to use similar missiles at the sea.

That sounds too good to be true to have Cenk-S and other Turkish radars, MIDLAS and Advent on a foreignet ship. We would have heard it publicly if it was going that far.

 

[Agha Sher]

Aselsan signed export contracts for fire control radars with an Asian and an European country worth 10.7 mUSD.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1686287108921556992

 

[Afif]

That means, a single unit cost around 5 millions USD if we assumed contracts includes 2x systems (at least.)

 

[Ravager]

Who has got the IP rights of the project? There should be a contract or agreement. If it is shared, requiring non-other's approval, any member of the consortium may resume the project.

Even i clueless about it . Either BRIN or PT . DI . In which both are state entity ... when thing get politicized. Everything went south ...

 

[Bürküt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1686309154313342976

"Indonesian Ministry of Defense announced that it will buy unmanned air vehicle (UAV) worth 300 million dollars from Türkiye."

"A total of 12 ANKA UAVs will be delivered to Indonesia by TAI."

It's official now then.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Yavuz is in Brazil tender

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1686411277520850950

 

[Sanchez]

Brazil recently had some issues with German government regarding some sales. Yavuz using a MAN chassis is not good news. But, coupled with the M109 support that was awarded a week ago, this would be a great prize.

 

[Bürküt]

Brazil recently had some issues with German government regarding some sales. Yavuz using a MAN chassis is not good news. But, coupled with the M109 support that was awarded a week ago, this would be a great prize.

Yes , they were blocked a sale to the Philippines before.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1628907650049081344

 

[Bmx98]

Yes , they were blocked a sale to the Philippines before.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1628907650049081344

They can use BMC truck.

 

[Huelague]

Brazil recently had some issues with German government regarding some sales. Yavuz using a MAN chassis is not good news. But, coupled with the M109 support that was awarded a week ago, this would be a great prize.

German chassis can be replaced easily .

 

[Azeri441]

Brazil recently had some issues with German government regarding some sales. Yavuz using a MAN chassis is not good news. But, coupled with the M109 support that was awarded a week ago, this would be a great prize.

Changing the chassis is extremely easy and part of options for customers to choose from, Roketsan easily changed the chassis of TR-122/300 to Kamaz for Azerbaijan, and Turkey now has a large selection of armored trucks to choose from.

 

[Saithan]

Why are our defense sector still using foreign chassis, if anyone has a knowledge about it please share.

Shouldn't they have learned by now that it's a potential hindrance for export ?

is it due to foreign chassis like MAN being used in Brazil that they offer it to make maintenance on them easier ?

 

[Gary]

So MAR-D radar for Indonesia ?

 

[B_A]

Why are our defense sector still using foreign chassis, if anyone has a knowledge about it please share.

Shouldn't they have learned by now that it's a potential hindrance for export ?

is it due to foreign chassis like MAN being used in Brazil that they offer it to make maintenance on them easier ?

I think that's because our civil sector still too weak and didn't have large share in market.Everyone can much easier get parts of foreign brand trucks then ours.

 

[Afif]

Why are our defense sector still using foreign chassis, if anyone has a knowledge about it please share.

Shouldn't they have learned by now that it's a potential hindrance for export ?

is it due to foreign chassis like MAN being used in Brazil that they offer it to make maintenance on them easier ?

So, the reason companies offer their products with various optional foreign chassis is because of logistics.

Countries usually prefer chassis that are cost effective and with easily available off-the-shelf spare parts in their region. Or sometimes, that said chassis could be already in service with the customer army in numbers, so when procuring new hardware they seek logistical commonality if possible.

 

[Sanchez]

Changing the chassis is extremely easy and part of options for customers to choose from, Roketsan easily changed the chassis of TR-122/300 to Kamaz for Azerbaijan, and Turkey now has a large selection of armored trucks to choose from.

Hopefully, but forces incurred to the vehicle related to a 155mm gun are presumably much larger compared to MLRS. It will need to be changed, it will need to have new tests, lose time, months, maybe up to a year. Azerbaijan can will wait for us to handle it, would Brazil in an open tender?

Using a direct German made MAN chassis for Yavuz probably wasn't the best idea, when we could opt for Tatra via Seyit, or Koluman with their Turkish built Mercedes or even BMC.

 

[Saithan]

I think that's because our civil sector still too weak and didn't have large share in market.Everyone can much easier get parts of foreign brand trucks then ours.

MAN Assembley line in Ankara 17:48, so we're not even producing parts. I think it's necessary to prioritize domestic production on trucks as well and kick parts production into high gear.

EDIT: I tried looking up BMC, and it's horrible.

Can't even promote their own company well.

 

[B_A]

MAN Assembley line in Ankara 17:48, so we're not even producing parts. I think it's necessary to prioritize domestic production on trucks as well and kick parts production into high gear.

EDIT: I tried looking up BMC, and it's horrible.

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Can't even promote their own company well.

Compare to Chinese or Korean,our civil industry sector is terrible.
We don’t have a Toyota or Samsung

 

[No Name]

Compare to Chinese or Korean,our civil industry sector is terrible.
We don’t have a Toyota or Samsung

That is because Turkish companies prefer to avoid competing. They just want handouts; in this case, they get them by becoming part of foreign companies supply chains. I think this risk-averse behaviour is a by-product of the developed rent-seeking culture.

Currently, 36% of Turkey’s manufacturing exports consist of medium-tech products and 61% of low-tech products, leaving only 3% to high-tech products exports.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Turkey's Ambassador to London Ertaş: Cooperation with the UK in the defense industry has started to increase

"On the occasion of IDEF 2023, a large defense industry company signed a partnership agreement with an important UK company."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1686656612503625728