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I think Bung Tomo upgrade is going with Thales, not Havelsan. I recall Havelsan have visited and inspected the vessels but it didn't work through.
Still wondering why insist on MICA while not using ground or air based MICA, but not CAMM/CAMM-ER/Albatros NG which is quadpackable in Mk41 (also likely to be permitted for other VL unlike MICA) and comes with less footprint.

Mica is the the logical choice, Bung Tomo will be somewhat a copy of the Martadinata's in spec.

Imo, ships with <3500 tons like the F2000 and Σ class does only need ~12-16 ready to fire short range surface to air missile, that justifies their size and overall capability. The real deal is how TNI will equip the Arrowhead and FREMM, like what is the VLS configuration and division of space for self defense VLS (Mica/CAMM) and area defense VLS (Aster 30) where equipping it with quad pack VLS for self defense is more logical choice consider that they must share that space with SSM VLS.
 

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PT PAL teams up with MBDA to upgrade Indonesia's Bung Tomo class​

by Ridzwan Rahmat




Indonesian Navy's lead Bung Tomo-class vessel seen here during the 69th TNI Day Parade in Surabaya. All vessels in the class are being upgraded to fire the Exocet Block 3 missile. (Janes/Ridzwan Rahmat)

Indonesian state-owned shipbuilder PT PAL has inked a contract with European missile manufacturer MBDA to enhance the combat capabilities of all three frigates in the Bung Tomo class.

Confirmation on the matter was provided by a PT PAL spokesperson in response to questions from Janes on the class' upgrade programme.

The Bung Tomo class is a fleet of three corvettes that were originally built for the Royal Brunei Navy under a contract signed between Bandar Seri Begawan and then-Yarrow Shipbuilders in 1995.

However, the vessels were never commissioned by Brunei because of contractual disputes.

The vessels were subsequently acquired by the Indonesian Navy and the service re-designated all three corvettes as frigates in 2014.

According to information provided by the PT PAL spokesperson, the Indonesian Navy's programme to upgrade each vessel is divided into two phases, with each vessel undergoing the enhancements consecutively.

The first phase involves the installation of new radars and sensors, while the second phase pertains to an upgrade of the vessel's combat system.

For the first phase, state-owned defence electronics company PT Len Industri has been appointed as the prime contractor, with the majority of components supplied by Thales.

In addition, Janes understands that Netherlands-based naval consultancy Nevesbu has been appointed as a systems integrator for this stage.

Janes also understands that among components being installed in this phase include the TACTICOS combat management system (CMS), the SMART-S Mk2 air-and-surface surveillance radar, and the STIR EO Mk2 radar and electro-optical fire-control system.
 

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VESSEL REVIEW | DR RADJIMAN WEDYODININGRAT – SECOND HOSPITAL SHIP IN SERIES FOR INDONESIAN NAVY​

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The Indonesian Navy has taken delivery of the second hospital ship in a series built by local state-owned shipbuilder PAL Indonesia.
KRI Dr Radjiman Wedyodiningrat is a sister ship of KRI Dr Wahidin Sudirohusodo, which was delivered to the Indonesian Navy in early 2022. The newer hospital ship honours the late physician Radjiman Wedyodiningrat, whom historians credit as one of those who helped found the Republic of Indonesia following the end of the Second World War.
As with its earlier sister, Dr Radjiman Wedyodiningrat uses the same general design as that of the Indonesian Navy’s Makassar-class landing platform docks (LPDs). Modifications to allow the ship to perform the floating hospital role include the removal of all armament and the incorporation of various facilities to accommodate a maximum of 242 patients, including 159 bedridden patients, in addition to the 120 crewmembers and 66 medical personnel. The vessel otherwise retains the general dimensions of the Makassar-class ships with a length of 124 metres, a beam of 21.8 metres, and a displacement of around 7,290 tonnes.
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Two 5,420kW main engines propel the hospital ship to a speed of around 18 knots, though acceptance tests showed that the vessel can also reach 19.7 knots. A more economical cruising speed of 12 knots will yield a range of 10,000 nautical miles or a maximum endurance of 30 days. This capability ensures sustained sea-based medical support for deployed Indonesian forces as well as civilians in need in the more remote areas of the country.
The medical facilities consist of emergency rooms, in-patient rooms, isolation areas, radiology rooms, delivery rooms, operating rooms, clinics, blood banks, and an intensive care unit. Despite its primary function as a hospital ship, the vessel still retains some of the extensive vehicle transport capability of the Makassar-class LPDs. Vehicles that can be embarked include an ambulance boat, two vehicle and personnel landing craft (LCVPs), rigid inflatable boats (RIBs), and up to three 11-tonne utility helicopters. There is also onboard space for transporting four ambulances, three mobile hospitals, and a mobile X-ray for deployment in remote areas that otherwise do not enjoy access to standard hospital faciltiies.
The ship will also have secondary functions including command and control (C&C), search and rescue (SAR), and humanitarian assistance and disaster relief (HADR). When used in the HADR role, the onboard spaces can house up to 200 evacuees.
Click here for more news stories, feature articles, and vessel reviews as part of this month’s focus on emergency services vessels.

KRI Dr Radjiman Wedyodiningrat
SPECIFICATIONS
Type of vessel:Hospital ship
Flag:Indonesia
Owner:Indonesia Navy
Builder:PAL Indonesia
Hull construction material:Steel
Superstructure construction material:Steel
Deck construction material:Steel
Length overall:124 metres
Beam:21.8 metres
Displacement:7,290 tonnes
Main engines:2 x 5,420 kW
Maximum speed:18 knots
Cruising speed:12 knots
Range:10,000 nautical miles
Accommodation:Emergency rooms; in-patient rooms; isolation areas; radiology rooms; delivery rooms; operating rooms; clinics; blood banks; an intensive care unit
Crew:186
Passengers:242
 

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Mica is the the logical choice, Bung Tomo will be somewhat a copy of the Martadinata's in spec.

Imo, ships with <3500 tons like the F2000 and Σ class does only need ~12-16 ready to fire short range surface to air missile, that justifies their size and overall capability. The real deal is how TNI will equip the Arrowhead and FREMM, like what is the VLS configuration and division of space for self defense VLS (Mica/CAMM) and area defense VLS (Aster 30) where equipping it with quad pack VLS for self defense is more logical choice consider that they must share that space with SSM VLS.
With the evolving nature of aerial threats, the space a VLS module occupies, any single-packed point-defense/close air defense missile seems to waste of space for me. We have come to an era which following rule should apply for an adequate air defense against unmanned - loitering - aerial / surface threats, respectively given in tons / number point defense missiles;

less than 1000 / 8,
1000-2000 / 16,
2000-3500 / 32,
3500-7000 / 64,
more than 7000 / 128,

Haven't been fond of MICA unless it is also used by air / land forces. With same logistic footprint CAMM-ER / Albatros-NG offers 40 km range. Also not quite big fan of VL SSM unless it has a purpose. (ie. It is a tall missile that makes it hard to fit in angled manner such as Tomahawk)

They want to change something in their 76 mm too?
Possibly introducing a fire-control system.
 

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Procurement which had got PSP approval by MoF:

• Submarine

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Procurement which currently are waiting for PSP approval by MoF:

• FREMM Frigate

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Imo, point defense launchers like the Rim-116 or Gokdeniz should be installed gradually replacing Mistral or Bofors 40mm in some ships with less than 1500tons tonnage. This is because many of navy ship don't have space to install VLS. Its expensive yes, but losing combat ships is even more expensive.

Ships that could be fitted with such:

-Diponegoro class
-FPB-57
-KCR-60
-LPDs
-OPV-90 if the navy don't want to install VLS

Some example from the German navy.

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Imo, point defense launchers like the Rim-116 or Gokdeniz should be installed gradually replacing Mistral or Bofors 40mm in some ships with less than 1500tons tonnage. This is because many of navy ship don't have space to install VLS. Its expensive yes, but losing combat ships is even more expensive.

Ships that could be fitted with such:

-Diponegoro class
-FPB-57
-KCR-60
-LPDs
-OPV-90 if the navy don't want to install VLS

Some example from the German navy.

S75-P6125-Zobel-002.jpg
How much does its cost compared to the millenium gun?
 

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How much does its cost compared to the millenium gun?
RIM-116 will naturally cost more than even programmable cannon rounds. But the cost is imo justified, because missiles does have longer engagement range and they could be directed to multiple direction.
 

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