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[KhanOfEurasia]

Satelite Comunication is a big Advantage of TB-3 over TB-2, also to mention higher Payload Capacity.

 

[UkroTurk]

Launching UAV

We have no clue how much power the TB3 needs to take off from the Anadolu but if it lacks power some cable tug assist will work wonders. A more powerful engine if the TB3 ever needs one will rid the assist cables but is not absolutely necessary.

I think take off and landing of piston engine powered aircrafts ( also TB-2/3 have long wings for low stalling speed) immensely bounded to weather conditions, wind speed thus Naval Operational use of TB-3 could be limited.

However we don't know the limitations could effect on ordinary missions of Turkish Navy.

TB-3 is not a jet powered heavy aircraft like F-18.

 

[Zafer]

Launching UAV
I think take off and landing of piston engine powered aircrafts ( also TB-2/3 have long wings for low stalling speed) immensely bounded to weather conditions, wind speed thus Naval Operational use of TB-3 could be limited.

However we don't know the limitations could effect on ordinary missions of Turkish Navy.

TB-3 is not a jet powered heavy aircraft like F-18.

What we know for sure is TB3 has flown in 130 kmh winds taking off from land. Off course landing back on the ship will be challenging, still some machine learning and AI will probably assist in such a feat. I have seen videos of smll drones flying in stormy weather, but it will take a lot of tuning to get there. With 1450kg take of weight TB3 has quite a bit of heft to stand some wind, I would say.

 

[UkroTurk]

What we know for sure is TB3 has flown in 130 kmh winds taking off from land. Off course landing back on the ship will be challenging, still some machine learning and AI will probably assist in such a feat. I have seen videos of smll drones flying in stormy weather, but it will take a lot of tuning to get there. With 1450kg take of weight TB3 has quite a bit of heft to stand some wind, I would say.

TEI can produce compact jet engines.
Would not be better and safer such jet powered Naval UAV?
I don't think it is expensive.

 

[Zafer]

TEI can produce compact jet engines.
Would not be better and safer such jet powered Naval UAV?
I don't think it is expensive.
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Small turbine engines are good for fast planes or missiles, for cargo or weapons load carrying propellers are more efficient. A small, rather high bypass turbofan engine could be used to strike a good balance between speed and efficiency but there is next to no such turbofan in production. Turbine engines are rather inefficient when they are small.

 

[UkroTurk]

Small turbine engines are good for fast planes or missiles, for cargo or weapons load carrying propellers are more efficient. A small, rather high bypass turbofan engine could be used to strike a good balance between speed and efficiency but there is next to no such turbofan in production. Turbine engines are rather inefficient when they are small.

I meant for naval use. For launch from AC. Let's solve the problem which doesn't exist
Along with the propeller one or two microturbunes could increase take off speed. Kinda additional JATO (Jet assisted take off) When stalling UAV uses just propeller.

 

[Zafer]

I meant for naval use. For launch from AC. Let's solve the problem which doesn't exist
Along with the propeller one or two microturbunes could increase take off speed. Kinda additional JATO (Jet assisted take off) When stalling UAV uses just propeller.

There maybe use cases where efficiency comes last like when boostering a plane in take off but still there are other solutions to the problem like catapulting or tuging with cable which are more convenient.

 

[UkroTurk]

https://www.tei.com.tr/en/products/tei-tp38-turboprop-engine

Wait! For carriers they could use micro Turboprop instead of piston driven engine.
Piston Driven TD-170 weights 170kg gives 170hp( at 20k altitude. At 30k altitude gives 130hp)

Turboprop weights 120kg gives 200hp even at high altitudes.

Against bad weather and sea conditions Naval TB-3 must be more powerful as flying over seas is a big challenge so I would use micro Turboprop. Anyway i quit because They know better than me.

 

[UkroTurk]

Good article

Royal Navy Tests Operating Fixed-Wing UAVs From Ships | TURDEF

Royal Navy has recently tested a fixed-wing UAV’s capability to land and take off from the deck of a British aircraft carrier.

www.turdef.com

 

[YeşilVatan]

What do you guys think about rocket assisted takeoffs?

 

[Boykaz]

Bayraktar TB3 took off from 110 meters, wow.
also Tcg Anadolu 232 meters

 

[Sanchez]

Bayraktar TB3 took off from 110 meters, wow.
also Tcg Anadolu 232 meters

That's a touch and go test, not a regular take off.

 

[Saithan]

https://x.com/conflicttr/status/1726963738425860581?s=46&t=DEy7rapS0QQE2YE7LHul5g

So anyone heard of this attempt to run off with harddisk ?

 

[Saithan]

https://x.com/tei_tusas/status/1726990619170799634?s=46&t=DEy7rapS0QQE2YE7LHul5g

TB3 test using TEI engine. Nice, really nice

 

[Anmdt]

https://x.com/conflicttr/status/1726963738425860581?s=46&t=DEy7rapS0QQE2YE7LHul5g

So anyone heard of this attempt to run off with harddisk ?

Strange, if i read correctly the personnel attempted to stole an internal harddisk. First of all the computers have their cases locked, where only IT may unlock with a physical key and install a hardware. Then, there is a strict rule on no electronics in, no electronics out (except of the phones given to the personnel, which has many functions disabled by enterprise mode). And this is rule is consistently applied and security is no chill about it.
This is either an intern, or a silly and inefficient personnel who may taught of attempting this. Last option this was a large scale espionage involving IT, Security and personnel granted an access to all files.
Fun fact, files are rarely kept in local storages in a meaningful way unless the user draws them from the server for project related uses.

 

[UkroTurk]

https://x.com/tei_tusas/status/1726990619170799634?s=46&t=DEy7rapS0QQE2YE7LHul5g

TB3 test using TEI engine. Nice, really nice

For TB-3 Why TEI PD-170 why not PD-180 ST which is lighter and more powerful?

Edit: why not PD -222ST which weights as same as PD-170 /180ST?

EDIT 2:

At 30k altitude, PD-170 generates more power then PD-180/222 so it must be the reason.

As you can see currently there is no alternative to Turboprops.

LiquidPiston Enters the UAV Arena with a Revolutionary Rotary Engine

On March 6th, LiquidPiston Inc., an advanced internal combustion engine technology company, announced its intention to enter the UAV market with a revolutionary rotary engine aimed at powering medium

www.commercialuavnews.com

Liquid Piston’s Rotary Engine Could Boost UAS, Accelerate eVTOLs | Aviation Week

DARPA funded power and efficiency testing of a new type of rotary engine that promises compact, lightweight and reliable power for unmanned aircraft and air taxis.

aviationweek.com

Now i can understand why Americans want to develop rotary technology.

50kg generates 200hp.

Rotron RT1200-P Quad Wankel Rotary Engine

RT1200P compact rotary engine delivering high power density, low vibration and fuel efficiency for UAV and aerospace propulsion.

rotronpower.com

Freedom Motors

Freedom Motors is now producing one of the most flexible, efficient, durable and powerful engines in history: <strong>The Rotapower® rotary engine.</strong>

freedom-motors.com

 

[boredaf]

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For TB-3 Why TEI PD-170 why not PD-180 ST which is lighter and more powerful?

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Edit: why not PD -222ST which weights as same as PD-170 /180ST?

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EDIT 2:

At 30k altitude, PD-170 generates more power then PD-180/222 so it must be the reason.

As you can see currently there is no alternative to Turboprops.

LiquidPiston Enters the UAV Arena with a Revolutionary Rotary Engine

On March 6th, LiquidPiston Inc., an advanced internal combustion engine technology company, announced its intention to enter the UAV market with a revolutionary rotary engine aimed at powering medium

www.commercialuavnews.com

Liquid Piston’s Rotary Engine Could Boost UAS, Accelerate eVTOLs | Aviation Week

DARPA funded power and efficiency testing of a new type of rotary engine that promises compact, lightweight and reliable power for unmanned aircraft and air taxis.

aviationweek.com

Now i can understand why Americans want to develop rotary technology.

50kg generates 200hp.

Rotron RT1200-P Quad Wankel Rotary Engine

RT1200P compact rotary engine delivering high power density, low vibration and fuel efficiency for UAV and aerospace propulsion.

rotronpower.com

Freedom Motors

Freedom Motors is now producing one of the most flexible, efficient, durable and powerful engines in history: <strong>The Rotapower® rotary engine.</strong>

freedom-motors.com

PD-222ST is the new engine they were developing, not sure if a prototype has been tested on the ground let alone on a new drone, or maybe not even built yet.

 

[Rodeo]

PD-222ST is the new engine they were developing, not sure if a prototype has been tested on the ground let alone on a new drone, or maybe not even built yet.

It's being tested on the bench and it'll fly next year

 

[Kartal1]

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For TB-3 Why TEI PD-170 why not PD-180 ST which is lighter and more powerful?

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Edit: why not PD -222ST which weights as same as PD-170 /180ST?

View attachment 63158

EDIT 2:

At 30k altitude, PD-170 generates more power then PD-180/222 so it must be the reason.

As you can see currently there is no alternative to Turboprops.

LiquidPiston Enters the UAV Arena with a Revolutionary Rotary Engine

On March 6th, LiquidPiston Inc., an advanced internal combustion engine technology company, announced its intention to enter the UAV market with a revolutionary rotary engine aimed at powering medium

www.commercialuavnews.com

Liquid Piston’s Rotary Engine Could Boost UAS, Accelerate eVTOLs | Aviation Week

DARPA funded power and efficiency testing of a new type of rotary engine that promises compact, lightweight and reliable power for unmanned aircraft and air taxis.

aviationweek.com

Now i can understand why Americans want to develop rotary technology.

50kg generates 200hp.

Rotron RT1200-P Quad Wankel Rotary Engine

RT1200P compact rotary engine delivering high power density, low vibration and fuel efficiency for UAV and aerospace propulsion.

rotronpower.com

Freedom Motors

Freedom Motors is now producing one of the most flexible, efficient, durable and powerful engines in history: <strong>The Rotapower® rotary engine.</strong>

freedom-motors.com

Maybe also price is a factor here. According to people with knowledge the price of PD-170 is already very high due to the fact it is packed with a lot of functions. If PD-170's price is high maybe the prices of PD-180 or the PD-222 is even higher. I am only speculating here. TB-3 (or tuned down version of it) would eventually replace our TB-2's in time and maybe we want to keep the price as low as possible. I am only speculating so don't take me serious on that

 

[Era_shield]

Strange, if i read correctly the personnel attempted to stole an internal harddisk. First of all the computers have their cases locked, where only IT may unlock with a physical key and install a hardware. Then, there is a strict rule on no electronics in, no electronics out (except of the phones given to the personnel, which has many functions disabled by enterprise mode). And this is rule is consistently applied and security is no chill about it.
This is either an intern, or a silly and inefficient personnel who may taught of attempting this. Last option this was a large scale espionage involving IT, Security and personnel granted an access to all files.
Fun fact, files are rarely kept in local storages in a meaningful way unless the user draws them from the server for project related uses.

Just guessing here since no details are given but normally (excluding special equipment used by govt/banks/etc) the type of lock used on computer cases is low security, it's only really meant to prevent opportunistic theft. The keys are easy to get. It could also be talking about a laptop, which can be opened with a screwdriver. To me the description sounds like a disgruntled employee or an employee who was bribed by a competitor. A serious espionage attempt would be more sophisticated, for example using a special tiny USB key which doesn't even look like a USB key, and only needs to be plugged in and can automatically image all the drives onto itself.