Gonna be a thicc boy is what he means„Largest“ in size?
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Gonna be a thicc boy is what he means„Largest“ in size?
I'm definitely confusing for something, that's why I asked hereAre you sure you're not confusing it with TF-6000? Even its parts were still being made in September iirc, I really doubt anything about TF-35000 has been done, other than its design and preliminary studies. I mean, we are almost definitely going to have to tweak it out according to what we learn from TF-6000 and TF-1000.
P&W F135 is reported to have 43,000 lb wet thrust, so it is more powerful than a 35,000 lb wet thrust engine.„Largest“ in size?
A few things. KAAN is supposed to supercruise, although a version that can't would still be fine honestly. KAAN is a big plane so that could mean significantly higher drag coefficient. On top, compared to something like F22, the actual wing area is smaller so lift is going to be an issue too.P&W F135 is reported to have 43,000 lb wet thrust, so it is more powerful than a 35,000 lb wet thrust engine.
I read that F-35 has MTOW of about 32 tonnes , KAAN about 27 tonnes. Why does KAAN need 2 x 35,000 lb thrust engines?
P&W F135 is reported to have 43,000 lb wet thrust, so it is more powerful than a 35,000 lb wet thrust engine.
I read that F-35 has MTOW of about 32 tonnes , KAAN about 27 tonnes. Why does KAAN need 2 x 35,000 lb thrust engines?
Turkish is, at times, quite “confusing” when you translate it in to English!
(TEI General Manager Prof. Dr. Mahmut Faruk Akşit: "The engine of the National Combat Aircraft will be the 2nd largest engine in the world.)
Thanks for the responses above but I am mystified by KAAN designers wanting 70,000 lb wet thrust. According to my crude calculationsP&W F135 is reported to have 43,000 lb wet thrust, so it is more powerful than a 35,000 lb wet thrust engine.
I read that F-35 has MTOW of about 32 tonnes , KAAN about 27 tonnes. Why does KAAN need 2 x 35,000 lb thrust engines?
I think, "It will be the second largest engine in terms of size among Western-style fighter jet engines", he said. I don't think Dr. Akşit mean thrust value.If we take it that he is talking about the largest “western” engine in thrust and in actual use, then after the F135, it sits in second place with the F119. Of course, by the time TF35K is flying in KAAN, we may have had NGAD flying with XA100.
Thanks for the responses above but I am mystified by KAAN designers wanting 70,000 lb wet thrust. According to my crude calculations
Wet thrust
F-35 (43,000 lb thrust) @ MTOW of 32 tonnes T/W ratio = 0.6
F-22 (35,000 lb thrust x 2) @ MTOW of 38 tonnes T/W ratio = 0.82
KAAN (35,000 lb thrust x 2) @ MTOW of 27 tonnes T/W ratio = 1.15
With KAAN's T/W ratio it would be able to climb vertically at MTOW.
Dry thrust
F-35 (28,000 lb thrust) @ MTOW of 32 tonnes T/W ratio = 0.39
F-22 (26,000 lb thrust x 2) @ MTOW of 38 tonnes T/W ratio = 0.61
KAAN (24,000 lb thrust x 2) @ MTOW of 27 tonnes T/W ratio = 0.79
Is KAAN going to be much, much draggier than F-22? Perhaps allowance is made for KAAN's weight to rise as time goes by?
From those figures it seems clear that MTOW for Kaan will be higher than 27t.Thanks for the responses above but I am mystified by KAAN designers wanting 70,000 lb wet thrust. According to my crude calculations
Wet thrust
F-35 (43,000 lb thrust) @ MTOW of 32 tonnes T/W ratio = 0.6
F-22 (35,000 lb thrust x 2) @ MTOW of 38 tonnes T/W ratio = 0.82
KAAN (35,000 lb thrust x 2) @ MTOW of 27 tonnes T/W ratio = 1.15
With KAAN's T/W ratio it would be able to climb vertically at MTOW.
Dry thrust
F-35 (28,000 lb thrust) @ MTOW of 32 tonnes T/W ratio = 0.39
F-22 (26,000 lb thrust x 2) @ MTOW of 38 tonnes T/W ratio = 0.61
KAAN (24,000 lb thrust x 2) @ MTOW of 27 tonnes T/W ratio = 0.79
Is KAAN going to be much, much draggier than F-22? Perhaps allowance is made for KAAN's weight to rise as time goes by?
I don't get your point. Wikipedia cites 27 tons MTOW as the figure projected by TAI. I compared apples to apples in my T/W comparison for F-22, F-35 and KAAN.Did you understand what i wrote?
KAAN simply doesn't have MTOW of 27 tons. (There is no official figure yet.) Common sense dictates that it is gross weight.
OK. Figures I used for KAAN weight were underestimated.From those figures it seems clear that MTOW for Kaan will be higher than 27t.
Ready for what? Service?Also according to CEO Turkish TRMotor turbofan engines will be ready in 2028.
They are currently building the engine they designed if I am not mistaken. Ground tests will take long. 4-5 years.Ready for what? Service?
They are not building the engine. The project is not that far along.They are currently building the engine they designed if I am not mistaken. Ground tests will take long. 4-5 years.
2028 first flight. 2030 for service.
Türkiye has been making most parts of F110 for decades believe it or not as half partner of General Electric.Approval for F-16 and Eurofighter is not forthcoming. It looks to me that the earliest KAAN (with F110) will be delivered to TuAF is early in the next decade. If that is a problem, Turkiye has a problem. The question to me is whether any steps can be taken to mitigate that problem - can a type be ordered that could enter service several years before KAAN? Getting a type into service shortly before KAAN enters service does not seem like a good idea but
(a) would cover the risk of substantial delay in F110 KAAN entering service
(b) would give Turkiye the option of abandoning the idea of a production version using F110 in favour of waiting for a KAAN version with a Turkish engine
That second option makes me think of India. India may approve procuring 100 more Tejas Mk1A tomorrow - not because the IAF wants them particularly (it wants medium weight fighters) but because it is the quickest way of getting more fighters into service.
Yeah bro keep dreaming we don't even mass produced TF600 but surely we could make a fifth gen engine maybe stop watching TRT or A-haber.TUSAS CEO Kotil already said they will deliver 20 KAAN to Turkish Air Force in 2028. And will make 2 more each month. Also they can keep doubling that easily as much as required. Also according to CEO Turkish TRMotor turbofan engines will be ready in 2028.
I trust HIM buddy, he stood behind his words so far.
Aselsan Murad is never "ready" and never will be. New radar development on such a critical platform is always ongoing. You need to gather as much radar signature data as possible (Qatar brings their jets to us for that purpose) from various angles, distances and conditions to identify enemy from as far a distance possible without revealing your own location. And to improve your AESA wave forming techniques, EW, cooling etc. Murad, BURFIS will never be "ready" but both will do their jobs. Just like ground based AESA radars from Aselsan they will improve constantly.