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[Rooxbar]

There are simulations where thousands of shahed drones fired against a patriot site which is protected by Rams.

Eventually Patriot side is demolished. The cost of shaheds are nothing compared to patriots lost.

You throw thousands of shahed drones at one site, you're out of drones now. To replenish you'll need months.

 

[YeşilVatan]

You throw thousands of shahed drones at one site, you're out of drones now. To replenish you'll need months.

Makes you think if even cheaper decoy drones are worth it...

 

[UkroTurk]

As it hits denser air around 15km altitude it starts losing speed. But as it is coming down to near perpendicular to target it is not easy to intercept.

Then we need to convert some SAM , air to surface missiles as they are easy to be controlled at high speed.

At least supersonic anti-radiation or antiship missiles.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Then we need to convert some SAM , air to surface missiles as they are easy to be controlled at high speed.

At least supersonic anti-radiation or antiship missiles.

The missiles like TRG-300 are quasi ballistic missiles. Their main job is to carry a heavy destructive explosive to the target area.
When they are launched, with their rocket motors, they reach very high supersonic speeds. By this time they will have reached a rarified level of atmosphere where there is hardly any air drag. They then start to slow down when their fuel is exhausted. Then they start to freefall towards their target under a ballistic trajectory. This is when their speed goes up again. Then they hit denser air layers and start losing speed. (Their speed is governed by the terminal velocity formula.) the heavier and more aerodynamic they are the faster they hit earth. Whereas a 600kg trg300 may have a terminal speed of say 1.2mach a 105 ton ICBM may have a terminal speed of 10 Mach.

An a2a missile and an air defence SAM are very different. Their main job is to disable, by hit-to-kill or by exploding nearby, another missile or plane.

Air to air missiles, with the exception of ramjet powered ones do not have power during their terminal phase. An amraam flying at 4 Mach may only have 2.5 Mach when it reaches it’s target; especially if it has done one too many manoeuvres. (more manoeuvres they perform at terminal stage the more they lose speed)
(This is where ramjet engined meteor a2a missile excels, as it has power available at terminal phase. It can throttle down and up to economise the fuel it burns.)

A SAM air defence missile too is very similar in its operation. Depending on the engagement range it may have no power at terminal interception phase.
A dual pulse hisar-rf hitting a target 40 km away, with the first half of its fuel will reach a 3-3.5 Mach speed. Then coast towards the target whilst losing speed. As it engages the target the second part of the fuel is burnt to give more speed to catch the target and compensate for any loss of speed due to manoeuvres. But even with the second pulse, the Hisar-rf may not have power at the point of impact.

 

[Samba]

You throw thousands of shahed drones at one site, you're out of drones now. To replenish you'll need months.

You speak like you can replace patriots in a week's time.

You produce these drones during peace time. They are cheap and easy to produce. When needed you use them in batches. Once strategic ADSs are down, your enemy has a big hole in it's air defence system.

 

[Afif]

People makes it sound so easy. Real world operational environment is much more different. Russia had hundreds of Shahed when first Patriot battery became operational in Ukraine. Yet they couldn’t knock it out.

 

[Rodeo]

TB2s total flight time has passed 750k hours.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1734176099632914640

 

[dBSPL]

TB2s total flight time has passed 750k hours.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1734176099632914640

In the third minute of the video there is a blank map of Africa in the style of a wikipedia sketch. The video was probably supposed to show all the operator countries, but for some reason that part must have been replaced by an empty African continent map. Bayraktar is the biggest military phenomenon on the African continent currently.

 

[Bogeyman]

Baykar's UAV test and development centers were included in the scope of investment areas

The Decision Amending the Presidential Decree No. 1504, Dated 4 September 2019, Regarding the Provision of Project-Based State Aid for the Investment of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles and Smart Systems Production Facility to be Built in Istanbul, entered into force after being published in the Official Gazette.

The phrase "investment location to be supported", which was previously "Istanbul", was changed to "Istanbul, Edirne, Tekirdağ provinces and Baykar Makina Sanayi ve Ticaret AŞ, Istanbul Private Industrial Zone and additional areas".

UAV and smart systems production facility investments to be made in these areas will also be included in the scope of project-based state incentives.

In addition to the R&D center in Istanbul, which Baykar established with the income it earned from export revenues, the UAV test and development centers in Edirne and Tekirdağ Çorlu, where it continues to invest entirely with its own resources, will operate within the scope of the industrial zone.

Baykar'ın İHA test ve geliştirme merkezleri yatırım alanları kapsamına alındı

Baykar'ın insansız hava araçları (İHA) ile akıllı sistemlerin test ve geliştirme merkezleri de proje bazlı teşvik kapsamında yer alacak. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[Bogeyman]

Turkish defense industry will conduct surveillance with "baby drone"

Lapis Aviation, which carries out unmanned aerial vehicle projects, exhibited the hybrid thrust robot HİRO at the 3rd Military Logistics and Support Summit. HİRO, which has the ability to fly with its rotating wings that move on land with its wheels, also contains a micro unmanned aerial vehicle, a "baby drone", in its main body.

Lapis Aviation Deputy General Manager Tansel Nuran Birdir made a statement to the AA correspondent about the hybrid propulsion robot HİRO project, which was developed to be used in surveillance missions in narrow and closed spaces.

Stating that the system has 3 basic features, Birdir said that they created a hybrid solution in this context.

Pointing out that HİRO can operate both on land and in the air, Birdir stated that they developed the vehicle especially for use in narrow and closed environments.

Birdir explained that the vehicle gained the ability to perform its duties in a closed environment for a long time by leaving the modems on it at certain intervals, and stated that they equipped the vehicle with many obstacle detection sensors. Birdir said:

"In this way, our vehicle can detect 360-degree obstacles and perform its mission by centering the completely closed environment, thanks to the LAPİS autopilot to which artificial intelligence algorithms have been added. We prefer it to go in land mode to extend its mission time. However, when it encounters an obstacle, it can overcome it by taking off. We also have a baby drone. This daughter drone is also designed to penetrate into narrower areas in an indoor environment. Both our main drone and our daughter drone have electrooptical and infrared sensors. Thus, we can take images in the dark or in a light environment. Thanks to the image processing software developed with deep learning models, object and object "We can detect it. It is a newly developed product. We aim to pass the tests and be ready for use in a short time."

The target is to be ready in the first half of next year

Stating that HIRO's mission period varies due to its hybrid structure, Birdir said that while this period is longer on the ground, the time in air missions is a little more limited.

Stating that they have completed the critical design phase of HİRO, Birdir said:

"We have produced our prototype products. We are carrying out testing and improvement studies on these prototype products. We are making some iterations in the design to improve its performance. Our intention is to have it ready for use in the first 3-4 months of next year.

There are different products in the world, non-military products that can perform hybrid missions but are used in a more civilian sense. We developed HIRO for military use. That's why we can think that it will be one of the few products in this field in the world."

The entire system weighs less than 1 kilogram

Tansel Nuran Birdir stated that the widest length of the large drone in HİRO is 28 centimeters, the size of the "baby drone" is 10-15 centimeters, and its weight is limited to 100-150 grams.

Birdir pointed out that the entire weight of HİRO, including the modems, will be less than 1 kilogram, and emphasized that the product can work both outdoors and indoors with all these features it has.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1734873702221627754

 

[dBSPL]

Turkish defense industry will conduct surveillance with "baby drone"

Lapis Aviation, which carries out unmanned aerial vehicle projects, exhibited the hybrid thrust robot HİRO at the 3rd Military Logistics and Support Summit. HİRO, which has the ability to fly with its rotating wings that move on land with its wheels, also contains a micro unmanned aerial vehicle, a "baby drone", in its main body.

Lapis Aviation Deputy General Manager Tansel Nuran Birdir made a statement to the AA correspondent about the hybrid propulsion robot HİRO project, which was developed to be used in surveillance missions in narrow and closed spaces.

Stating that the system has 3 basic features, Birdir said that they created a hybrid solution in this context.

Pointing out that HİRO can operate both on land and in the air, Birdir stated that they developed the vehicle especially for use in narrow and closed environments.

Birdir explained that the vehicle gained the ability to perform its duties in a closed environment for a long time by leaving the modems on it at certain intervals, and stated that they equipped the vehicle with many obstacle detection sensors. Birdir said:

"In this way, our vehicle can detect 360-degree obstacles and perform its mission by centering the completely closed environment, thanks to the LAPİS autopilot to which artificial intelligence algorithms have been added. We prefer it to go in land mode to extend its mission time. However, when it encounters an obstacle, it can overcome it by taking off. We also have a baby drone. This daughter drone is also designed to penetrate into narrower areas in an indoor environment. Both our main drone and our daughter drone have electrooptical and infrared sensors. Thus, we can take images in the dark or in a light environment. Thanks to the image processing software developed with deep learning models, object and object "We can detect it. It is a newly developed product. We aim to pass the tests and be ready for use in a short time."

The target is to be ready in the first half of next year

Stating that HIRO's mission period varies due to its hybrid structure, Birdir said that while this period is longer on the ground, the time in air missions is a little more limited.

Stating that they have completed the critical design phase of HİRO, Birdir said:

"We have produced our prototype products. We are carrying out testing and improvement studies on these prototype products. We are making some iterations in the design to improve its performance. Our intention is to have it ready for use in the first 3-4 months of next year.

There are different products in the world, non-military products that can perform hybrid missions but are used in a more civilian sense. We developed HIRO for military use. That's why we can think that it will be one of the few products in this field in the world."

The entire system weighs less than 1 kilogram

Tansel Nuran Birdir stated that the widest length of the large drone in HİRO is 28 centimeters, the size of the "baby drone" is 10-15 centimeters, and its weight is limited to 100-150 grams.

Birdir pointed out that the entire weight of HİRO, including the modems, will be less than 1 kilogram, and emphasized that the product can work both outdoors and indoors with all these features it has.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1734873702221627754

The model shown looks like it was printed, not molded. This is already used a lot in prototype modeling, but the idea of a micro drone that can be printed in the field doesn't sound bad.

 

[B_A]

The model shown looks like it was printed, not molded. This is already used a lot in prototype modeling, but the idea of a micro drone that can be printed in the field doesn't sound bad.

The most important issue is we have to beat Chinese mini civil drone as soon as possible.

 

[Kartal1]

The most important issue is we have to beat Chinese mini civil drone as soon as possible.

Pretty hard if you ask me, but at least we must ensure that we are not tied in any way to Chinese parts for our mini drones and have a high production capacity.

 

[dBSPL]

Here, the landing of the Mojave UAV on HMS Prince of Wales is shared quite clearly. The ship's flight deck is about 280 meters, and if I am not mistaken, Mojave is seen to come to a full stop under 170 meters, on the middle of the deck. Of course, in experimental configuration, which probably means completely empty. What is remarkable in the video is that although we can guess from stats, it is quite unusual to see such a low approach speed in a real video footage compared to conventional jets.

The TB3 system has a lower MTOW, even though a (presumably) slightly smaller wing area, I think it would be reasonable to assume that the Bayraktar solution will have an approach speed even slower than the Mojave.

The TB-3 is definitely a perfect fit for the TCG Anadolu and similar LHD ships in navies around the world. In fact, I can even imagine that there may be countries that would consider acquiring LHD platforms just to acquire TB-3s.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1734963099394777446

 

[Afif]

Hmm......looks like Selçuk Bayraktar lost the challenge with General Atomics.

but nevertheless he probably gave them a little run for their money.

 

[dBSPL]

On an experimental level, yes. GA has already landed its Mojave on a ship designed and operated entirely for fixed wing operations. I won't go into the difference between the two ships, ship is ship. lol. But still, my two cents to Bayraktar, their aircraft will be in active inventory first, I mean somewhere it will go and gain combatproven status, while GA continue experimental flights.

 

[Oublious]

TB3 will be sold like selling Shoarma in the Bazaar comparing with GA drone. How many countries have AC?

 

[Kaan Azman]

Still wishing that we see PD300H on TB3 for some more payload assuming we can strengthen the structure. Just imagine being able to take off with 4 UAV122 or a swarm of KEMANKEŞ.

 

[uçuyorum]

On an experimental level, yes. GA has already landed its Mojave on a ship designed and operated entirely for fixed wing operations. I won't go into the difference between the two ships, ship is ship. lol. But still, my two cents to Bayraktar, their aircraft will be in active inventory first, I mean somewhere it will go and gain combatproven status, while GA continue experimental flights.

In this case that's incorrect. There were already uav landing on aircraft carriers. The race is about landing on LHA / LHD, whereas prince of wales is a proper aircraft carrier

 

[Zafer]

They need to take off and land with typical payload on an LHD to prove a point.