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[Cabatli_TR]

Akinci with AESA

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1732703560196837795

 

[DBdev]

For me, megawatt laser weapons that somehow don't bloom are a must for 6th gen.

If you have lasers you won't need fast speeds or AI team ups or any of the other not so new crap. We have heard NGAD broke SR71's records but I suspect it was for mere seconds. Considering how fuel hungry ramjets are.

AI will not outsmart humans anytime soon.

That leaves us with my fav, laser weapons! Both for air combat and ground attacks. Yes, yes, I know... No way a jet engine can possibly power a megawatt laser, or a fighter jet can possibly carry it etc. etc. But still until laser weapons on planes become real everything else will still be only 5+ gen IMHO.

Lasers are perfect for space wars since there are no pesky air molecules that cause them to weaken via bloom by always being in the way. In fact low energy laser communication is already being used between far apart satellites.

Now, how do we make science fictional laser weapons science and reach similar distances without blooming?
We somehow have to get all the air molecules out of the way momentarily. Apparently that is possible with plasma windows. Artificially between strong magnets in tokamaks etc., naturally when a lightning strikes. So why not use nature's MASSIVE existing energy to create a straight lightning which not only strikes the target with electricity, hot plasma, but also with our fighter jet's own laser which suddenly finds itself a plasma window without pesky air molecules.

Plasma window - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"the plasma window will allow radiation such as lasers and electron beams to pass. This property is the key to the plasma window's usefulness — the technology of the plasma window permits for radiation that can only be generated in a vacuum to be applied to objects in an atmosphere"

And this is how we can create a straight lightning and a plasma window for our laser.

Yes yes, I know a rocket and a wire? Seems redundant. But if this is possible better solutions without rockets or even lightning should be possible too. It is only impossible until someone invents a brand new way to make it possible.

 

[Zafer]

Lasers are perfect for space wars since there are no pesky air molecules that cause them to weaken via bloom by always being in the way. In fact low energy laser communication is already being used between far apart satellites.

Now, how do we make science fictional laser weapons science and reach similar distances without blooming?
We somehow have to get all the air molecules out of the way momentarily. Apparently that is possible with plasma windows. Artificially between strong magnets in tokamaks etc., naturally when a lightning strikes. So why not use nature's MASSIVE existing energy to create a straight lightning which not only strikes the target with electricity, hot plasma, but also with our fighter jet's own laser which suddenly finds itself a plasma window without pesky air molecules.

Plasma window - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"the plasma window will allow radiation such as lasers and electron beams to pass. This property is the key to the plasma window's usefulness — the technology of the plasma window permits for radiation that can only be generated in a vacuum to be applied to objects in an atmosphere"

And this is how we can create a straight lightning and a plasma window for our laser.

Yes yes, I know a rocket and a wire? Seems redundant. But if this is possible better solutions without rockets or even lightning should be possible too. It is only impossible until someone invents a brand new way to make it possible.

There was laser triggered lightning work in the past to initiate lightning and store the energy in the ground batteries. So laser can cause ionisation of the air which is similar to plasma but colder, afaik. This is not in Türkiye.

 

[DBdev]

Sadly our Tubitak. The entity that should be giving our engineers brand new ways to create their inventions is just a google translator service. They just translate the English language research papers. Or keep repeating their most useless experiments.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1732751402198335498

 

[Afif]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1732751402198335498

@Yasar will like it.

 

[boredaf]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1732751402198335498

This absolutely great. If it weighs the same as its artillery version, even TB-3 should be able to take off with 2 of these. I hope UAV-230 and UAV-122 will be in serial production soon.

 

[Yasar_TR]

@Yasar will like it.

I love it. Both Akinci and Aksungur can carry multiple of these. In fact Akinci can fill all its 8 hard points with IHA122. Aksungur can do the same with 6 hard points.

I am still pining for the Turkish TRG300 missiles to be integrated in to our jets.

 

[YeşilVatan]

I love it. Both Akinci and Aksungur can carry multiple of these. In fact Akinci can fill all its 8 hard points with IHA122. Aksungur can do the same with 6 hard points.

I am still pining for the Turkish TRG300 missiles to be integrated in to our jets.

What would be your range estimation if TRG300 is launched from an Akıncı?

On a separate note, does land or air launch affect CEP values? I'd imagine not but you never know with these things.

 

[uçuyorum]

What would be your range estimation if TRG300 is launched from an Akıncı?

On a separate note, does land or air launch affect CEP values? I'd imagine not but you never know with these things.

Too heavy and big

 

[boredaf]

What would be your range estimation if TRG300 is launched from an Akıncı?

On a separate note, does land or air launch affect CEP values? I'd imagine not but you never know with these things.

Given that UAV-230 has more than twice the maximum range (70 vs 150) and UAV-122 having almost twice (30 vs 55) an UAV-300 would probably have at around 200 kms at least, my bet would be around 250. Checking right now TRG-300 Block III has 120 kms of maximum range, so, really long.

Too heavy and big

I don't know how long it is but Block III weighs 585 kgs according to Roketsan so it isn't any heavier than other ordinance our F-16s can carry.

 

[Yasar_TR]

What would be your range estimation if TRG300 is launched from an Akıncı?

On a separate note, does land or air launch affect CEP values? I'd imagine not but you never know with these things.

TRG300 equivalent is Israeli “Rampage” missile. Their F16s can carry 4 of these. Launched from air, the Israelis conservatively state that they at least double their land launched ranges.
I don’t think they would be very suitable for drones like Akinci. Although Akinci has capacity to carry at least 2 of them.
Russians claim tripling their land launched and air launched missiles’ ranges. (Iskander and Kinzhal) But like most things Russian it is something that needs to be proven to be believed.
A range of 250++ km should be the norm for the air launched trg300, most importantly at high altitude with supersonic speeds. Especially if you think that RAF is seriously considering replacing their ageing Storm Shadows with Rampage.

If you have a good enough seeker head , especially like a hybrid IIR seeker, it should even be able to precision hit moving targets.

A TRG300 class missile travels close to 4.5 Mach speed during mid course. It hits its target with a terminal speed in the region of 1.5 Mach. (Israeli sources give a terminal speed of 1.1 to 1.7 Mach. This makes it very hard for the enemy Air Defence Systems to intercept this missile. It has been successfully battle tested many times in Syria.

 

[uçuyorum]

Given that UAV-230 has more than twice the maximum range (70 vs 150) and UAV-122 having almost twice (30 vs 55) an UAV-300 would probably have at around 200 kms at least, my bet would be around 250. Checking right now TRG-300 Block III has 120 kms of maximum range, so, really long.


I don't know how long it is but Block III weighs 585 kgs according to Roketsan so it isn't any heavier than other ordinance our F-16s can carry.

Yeah but akıncı capacity is much smaller than F16. Such a heavy munition would go under the single hard point under the fuselage. It is 5.5 meters, it would cause issues there I think

 

[DBdev]

a terminal speed of 1.1 to 1.7 Mach. This makes it very hard for the enemy Air Defence Systems to intercept this missile. It has been successfully battle tested many times in Syria.

Air defense missiles are mach 4+. Any system having ANY difficulty detecting or stopping Mach 1 something rocket should be thrown to trash. Like most of the very old Russian systems in Syria.
PAC-1: Mach 2.8 PAC-2/PAC-3: Mach 4.1 (5000 km/h)

 

[Yasar_TR]

Air defense missiles are mach 4+. Any system having ANY difficulty detecting or stopping Mach 1 something rocket should be thrown to trash. Like most of the very old Russian systems in Syria.
PAC-1: Mach 2.8 PAC-2/PAC-3: Mach 4.1 (5000 km/h)

Air defence missiles’ flight speed is secondary when it comes to intercepting.

A 3 Mach AD missile can hit a hypersonic missile if it has a good seeker.

Rampage has a suppressed trajectory. It is a type of quasi ballistic missile. After launch it goes up to 40-50km altitude then goes down reaching 4-4.5 Mach mid course speeds. As it hits denser air around 15km altitude it starts losing speed. But as it is coming down to near perpendicular to target it is not easy to intercept.
No one is saying; impossible to intercept! Not easy to intercept for enemy AD systems!. Patriots even managed to intercept Hypersonic Kinzhal in Ukraine. Barak 8 intercepted Iskander hypersonic missile! Enemy being Russian AD systems. Please read carefully before replying!
With missiles that are cheap like these you wouldn’t be much worried about expending them in quantity either.

 

[DBdev]

I just don't want our people (especially Erdogan & co.) to acquire false bravado and belittle our foes when they did with Tayfun.

I am saying it is not only possible but also EASY to stop these for modern systems. Don't assume Greek air defenses (Russian and American made) would have any issues stopping these SUPPEERsonic missiles. Same goes for Tayfun. Stop acting like Tayfun is some Mach 20+ Satan II MIRV ICBM and not just another easy meat for modern Patriots. We will be lucky if 1 hits out of 10. American Patriots have been shutting down hundreds of ballistic missiles much faster than these. Including Kinzhal and once much feared Iskanders with their decoys and countermeasures etc. Patriots have %80-98% success rate depending on the missile. These air launched artillery rockets act a bit more like cruise missiles closer to target compared to ballistic missiles, just half a mach faster and a bit smaller RCS than cruise missiles THAT'S IT!

That's no problem whatsoever for modern systems. Well it might be a problem for Siper since our missiles apparently are much slower even compared to relatively slow Patriots. I have read Mach 2 or something can't really remember.

 

[boredaf]

I just don't want our people (especially Erdogan & co.) to acquire false bravado and belittle our foes when they did with Tayfun.

I am saying it is not only possible but also EASY to stop these for modern systems. Don't assume Greek air defenses (Russian and American made) would have any issues stopping these SUPPEERsonic missiles. Same goes for Tayfun. Stop acting like Tayfun is some Mach 20+ Satan II MIRV ICBM and not just another easy meat for modern Patriots. We will be lucky if 1 hits out of 10. American Patriots have been shutting down hundreds of ballistic missiles much faster than these. Including Kinzhal and once much feared Iskanders with their decoys and countermeasures etc. Patriots have %80-98% success rate depending on the missile. These air launched artillery rockets act a bit more like cruise missiles closer to target compared to ballistic missiles, just half a mach faster and a bit smaller RCS than cruise missiles THAT'S IT!

That's no problem whatsoever for modern systems. Well it might be a problem for Siper since our missiles apparently are much slower even compared to relatively slow Patriots. I have read Mach 2 or something can't really remember.

All of your posts comes down to "omg everything Greece has is better than what we have and it can "EASILY" beat what we have!!!1!!1

 

[Oublious]

System performance test.

 

[Quasar]

for TRG-300 in fact with a Warhead Effective Radius of 70 & 80 m it can easly be effective against it's Potential Target list, Further, logic dictates that TRG series in their current form is relativly cheap i.e they are guided rocket artillery

-Sure nothing is unstopable yet it is a numbers game sometimes ... saturation

-when you start having air launched guided rocket artillery it is the end of the story ... TRG-300 would be a very nice suprise but current air launched rocket artillery we have can even be more effective.

-we have almost endless solutions for PAC 2-3 to a extend that you have to open a PAC 2-3 missiles factories next to each patriot system. ( ok may be a bit of exaggeration but still not far from the truth)

counting on your Air defence systems is not a wise path to follow against Turkey

 

[Samba]

I just don't want our people (especially Erdogan & co.) to acquire false bravado and belittle our foes when they did with Tayfun.

I am saying it is not only possible but also EASY to stop these for modern systems. Don't assume Greek air defenses (Russian and American made) would have any issues stopping these SUPPEERsonic missiles. Same goes for Tayfun. Stop acting like Tayfun is some Mach 20+ Satan II MIRV ICBM and not just another easy meat for modern Patriots. We will be lucky if 1 hits out of 10. American Patriots have been shutting down hundreds of ballistic missiles much faster than these. Including Kinzhal and once much feared Iskanders with their decoys and countermeasures etc. Patriots have %80-98% success rate depending on the missile. These air launched artillery rockets act a bit more like cruise missiles closer to target compared to ballistic missiles, just half a mach faster and a bit smaller RCS than cruise missiles THAT'S IT!

That's no problem whatsoever for modern systems. Well it might be a problem for Siper since our missiles apparently are much slower even compared to relatively slow Patriots. I have read Mach 2 or something can't really remember.

There are simulations where thousands of shahed drones fired against a patriot site which is protected by Rams.

Eventually Patriot side is demolished. The cost of shaheds are nothing compared to patriots lost.