It’s disappointing but hey, what can we do ? That was expected.
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10 in 2028 prototypes or not ?? than total 20 would build in 2028 but 10 will be prototypes testing and most of them as i know dont became active aircraft for airforce another 10 active aircraftUsed to be 20. Suboptimal.
One word. untrustworty.People should get used to missed deadlines, there is nothing wrong with setting dates. Missing dates by several months is not a problem at all. You can only tie up loose ends when there is time pressure. Otherwise Moore's law of project management applies "90% of the project takes 90% of the time and the remaining 10% takes another 90% of time". All good.
One word. untrustworty.
Who will vote the mayor of istanbul/ankara because of the maid flight of a jet fighter?The first flight is tied to the election date. Expect it to fly something like 1 week before the election.
People insisted on trusting Temel Kotil over İsmail Demir, I really appreciated Demir's realistic attitude and level headed explanations. You can look up posts that go like "Do you know better than Temel Kotil" and turned into an argument. At the of the day it is better to be level headed and not trust everything said at face value. This is also a problem for our planners and military where unrealistic timelines can result in incorrect decision making. It's less important for us in the forumsHoly Cow! People are acting like they have access TUSAS management board and know everything.
Lockheed Martin just missed the previously declared delivery date of F-35 block 4 TR-3. It has been prosponded by several months.
These kind of delay in such a highly complex and complicated program is a frequent occurrence.
I agree, Kotil shouldn't have Gave a date, that TAI may or may not able to keep. It is always wise to play safe in these stuff. (That is why I think former SSB President insisted on 2024 date)
But if you have such a lack of trust in the higher authority of the most important institution (TAI) and think everything is highly politicized, how do you expect it to successfully deliver a porgram like KAAN? (Because it isn't about the talent, many countries has enough of it. It is much more about state's willingness, initiative and the competence of high-level management who puts everything together in the end)
This is my problem with the way they handled Kaan's first flight, on top of other big and unnecessary statements. We need to plant our feet firmly on the ground and be realistic on our timelines and goals. If we surpass them, more power to us, but daydreaming about things that are borderline impossible gets us nothing, only wastes our limited resources. I don't want empty promises and false dreams, nor do we really need them, what we need is proper planning and clever use of our resources.This is also a problem for our planners and military where unrealistic timelines can result in incorrect decision making.
Temel Kotil placed Turkish Airlines among the top 10 in the world. He is truly a very successful person. But even he doesn't believe that Kaan will fly with a domestic engine in 2028.Holy Cow! People are acting like they have access to TUSAS management board and know everything.
Lockheed Martin just missed the previously declared delivery date of F-35 block 4 TR-3. It has been prosponded by several months.
These kind of delay in such a highly complex and complicated program is a frequent occurrence.
I agree, Kotil shouldn't have Gave a date, that TAI may or may not able to keep. It is always wise to play safe in these stuff. (That is why I think former SSB President insisted on 2024 date)
But if you have such a lack of trust in the higher authority of the most important institution (TAI) and think everything is highly politicized, how do you expect it to successfully deliver a porgram like KAAN? (Because it isn't about the talent, many countries has enough of it. It is much more about state's willingness, initiative and the competence of high-level management who puts everything together in the end)
Does anybody seriously believe that Kaan will fly with a domestic engine before the 2030's? The 2028 target is based on what? Optimism of the most extreme order, I think. Or nothing at all - just a convenient, fictitious date.Temel Kotil placed Turkish Airlines among the top 10 in the world. He is truly a very successful person. But even he doesn't believe that Kaan will fly with a domestic engine in 2028.
The target of delivering first MMU KAANs to TAF in 2028 is based on statements by senior officials or agency officials responsible for the program. So it is not based on the assumptions of defense aviation enthusiasts. Whether this target can be realized or not is a matter of debate, but almost all of the dates we discuss in these pages have official references. Although the program is open to the public, it has become largely confidential with the detailed design and prototype manufacturing process. While it is open source information that shapes our ideas on the subject, I think the increasingly closed form of the program makes it difficult to predict the future.Does anybody seriously believe that Kaan will fly with a domestic engine before the 2030's? The 2028 target is based on what? Optimism of the most extreme order, I think. Or nothing at all - just a convenient, fictitious date.
Is there some need to convey the impression that if the US blocked F110 supplies due to political differences, it would not cripple the programme since Turkiye would only need it during the prototype development and testing phase?
What is the status today for domestic engine? is it in design phase? or prototype building phase? Thank you in advance.Kaan can probably fly with the domestic engine as early as the end of 2026 for testing purposes.
I'm still of the opinion that a license built F110(T110), very much can be called a domestic engine.Does anybody seriously believe that Kaan will fly with a domestic engine before the 2030's? The 2028 target is based on what? Optimism of the most extreme order, I think. Or nothing at all - just a convenient, fictitious date.
Is there some need to convey the impression that if the US blocked F110 supplies due to political differences, it would not cripple the programme since Turkiye would only need it during the prototype development and testing phase?
If the domestic engine is produced by that date and operates with sufficient reliability, yes, it will be tested by installing it on the one of prototype KAAN together with the F110.Perhaps this 2028 'fly on Kaan' date means using a Kaan as a flying testbed (1 x F110 + 1 x T35kN)?
The latest statement is that they are trying to make the engine ready for when Kaan is ready for serial production. If you draw a timeline back towards today you can workout an engine roadmap leading to that time-frame.Perhaps this 2028 'fly on Kaan' date means using a Kaan as a flying testbed (1 x F110 + 1 x T35kN)?