TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[TR_123456]

@MADDOG any news regarding KAAN?

 

[Iskander]

@MADDOG any news regarding KAAN?

«A Turkish website said today: Before KAAN even takes off, the bidding countries have been announced... Especially Azerbaijan and Pakistan are competing with each other to buy KAAN... Asian and Arab countries have already lined up. Countries such as Italy, Portugal, Saudi Arabia and Japan are interested in It is stated ».
I have to say that when I got in line for KAAN, there was no one there. No Arabs, no Japanese, no Italians. Everything is after me!

 

[uçuyorum]

Why would countries that already own 5th gen and are developing 6th gen be really interested in KAAN? But maybe since 6th gen is far away they want a twin engine alternative to F35? Eh don't think so. I certainly wish Italy and Japan would partner with us though.

 

[Huelague]

Why would countries that already own 5th gen and are developing 6th gen be really interested in KAAN? But maybe since 6th gen is far away they want a twin engine alternative to F35? Eh don't think so. I certainly wish Italy and Japan would partner with us though.

Counter question. Why do countries still using 3th gen fighter jets from 60'/70'?

 

[uçuyorum]

Counter question. Why do countries still using 3th gen fighter jets from 60'/70'?

Most countries are already retiring their Phantoms and Tornados, we were going to do so with F35 but here we are

 

[Zafer]

We learned unimaginable amounts of know-how because of our participation in the program up until when we were kicked out, and we were slated to learn much more. This has been claimed by many "insiders", "engineers", "pilots" etc.

That information is next to nothing in the pool of information that is invested in the F35. You wouldn't even be allowed to touch the scrapped skin coatings.

 

[Afif]

The point is, 50 years old jets (3rd gen) are still in use, beside the fact they are working on 6th gen fighter jets. Means, we can export our 5th+ gen Kaan to a country who is "thinking" on a 6th gen jet.

KAAN need to fly first, enter serial production with domestic engine and meet TuRAF requirements urgently. Export is a secondary priority.

Besides, KAAN is at least a decade away from reaching F-35's current block 4 level sophistication. Those countries that has F-35s like Italy & Japan, could upgrade their fleet to block 4 TR-3 if they want 5th+ gen capabilities. This is more feasible than inducting a completely new platform.

 

[Iskander]

Why would countries that already own 5th gen and are developing 6th gen be really interested in KAAN? But maybe since 6th gen is far away they want a twin engine alternative to F35? Eh don't think so. I certainly wish Italy and Japan would partner with us though.

Regarding 5th generation aircraft (and the acquisition of weapons in general), I can say that this is being done for the purpose of diversification. Many countries do not want to be dependent on one single supplier. Because you can never exclude force majeure situations when your only supplier for some reason does not want or cannot provide you with the necessary spare parts, or service those already supplied. Such situations happen quite often. Many probably remember the incident associated with the US refusal to further supply F14 aircraft to Iran. The US also refused to maintain aircraft already provided. Iranian F14s remained without service for 45 years. The same thing happened with Gaddafi's planes, Soviet and French-made. Both simply stopped servicing the weapons already provided. By the way, diversification is a fairly common thing in business. And when it comes to the security of an entire country...

 

[Kartal1]

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[Huelague]

KAAN need to fly first, enter serial production with domestic engine and meet TuRAF requirements urgently. Export is a secondary priority.

You are absolutely right. We can not export what does not exist.

Besides, KAAN is at least a decade away from reaching F-35's current block 4 level sophistication. Those countries that has F-35s like Italy & Japan, could upgrade their fleet to block 4 TR-3 if they want 5th+ gen capabilities. This is more feasible than inducting a completely new platform.

What’s your source about that ?

 

[Afif]

You are absolutely right. We can not export what does not exist.

What’s your source about that ?

Good question. But i can't give you source on something that didn't happen yet. Everything is in early stage for KAAN, we can only make optimistic predictions for now.

despite having previous expertise and experience in developing 5th gen fighter, it took one and a half decade for Lockheed Martin to reach block 4 TR-3 from block 1.

While, For Tusas, Aslesan & Havlesan I am giving a more optimistic timeline of only a decade despite it is being their first attempt to develop 5th gen fighter.

 

[MADDOG]

@MADDOG any news regarding KAAN?

Nothing new unfortunately TAI has also entered its Skunkworks era once more. So I'm not expecting anything to be released until the maiden flight.

 

[Merzifonlu]

TAI has also entered its Skunkworks era once more.

What is your personal estimate of the delay time?

 

[Lool]

What is your personal estimate of the delay time?

Until regional elections is the most probable answer

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Until regional elections is the most probable answer

It makes sense, of course, at least from the government's point of view; they will of course get a lot of PR, advertising and national pride out of it.
If the plane makes its first flight shortly before the elections, with a big event, to influence the electorate for the upcoming elections, it's a smart move.
For us weapons technology nerds, it is of course a curse to have to wait so long.
On the other hand, it gives TAI more time to better prepare for the launch, to take the physical and physiological pressure off the staff to keep them fit.
These people are also working overtime without end for this project.

What I am writing now is just my personal opinion, the AKP/MHP has the right to do so, if they had not pushed the arms industry in the last 10-15 years both through flat hierarchies (less bureaucracy) and subsidized, then we would still be handling ancient equipment today, and at the mercy of the goodwill of the West as far as arms imports are concerned.

 

[infrared]

If we see the first flight after February, especially around election time, it means the project has turned into a toy of government.

Kotil had expressed his regrets for not assembling the first prototype with all the components like Hurjet to be able to reveal it on May 1. They lost a considerable time for that show of government. If it wasn't for that election show, it would have flown in 2023.

I know it's hard to realize such huge projects without government support, but I don't believe the current approach is correct either. The results for the election are clear, and I hope they are not politically milking the project any further for slightly better election results. Lets wait and see, maybe I will turn out to be wrong.

 

[godel44]

Kaan's first delay just got delayed for a few weeks which is quite normal. There doesn't seem to be any sign of the government using this for election purposes, at least not yet. Whenever elections approach some people get paranoid about what the government might be using for propaganda purposes.

 

[boredaf]

Whenever elections approach some people get paranoid about what the government might be using for propaganda purposes.

For it to be "paranoia" there would have to be no precedence or reason and we have plenty of both.

 

[Zafer]

Kaan is not the minister who will make lives better for citizens, it is a fighter jet. It is better for the government to make it fly earlier rather than later. So relax, it is not an election propaganda instrument.

 

[B_A]

Why would countries that already own 5th gen and are developing 6th gen be really interested in KAAN? But maybe since 6th gen is far away they want a twin engine alternative to F35? Eh don't think so. I certainly wish Italy and Japan would partner with us though.

1.That was just “show some interest”the Japanese interested in tb2 but still didn’t buy .

2.I don’t think the Japanese 5th or 6th gen jet plan will be successful.