TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[DBdev]

It does have a DAS like system. IRIS-300

IRIS is just a very simplistic missile warning system and only against common missiles since it only sees solar blind UV and filters out all other light spectrums to reduce clutter and requirement for a smarter image analyzer.

DAS and dozen other systems below use IR instead of UV because jet engines do not create UV so you can't see enemy fighters with our IRIS.
Also it is possible to make missiles that do not radiate in UV (like meteor and other ramjet AA missiles) and regular missiles radiate UV only when their engines are still active, so I think we made a huge mistake by choosing glass filtered UV, instead of AI filtered IR like NG-DAS and dozen others. But I am no expert. Correct me if I am wrong.

Missile approach warning system - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[DBdev]

IRIS is just a very simplistic missile warning system and only against common missiles since it only sees solar blind UV and filters out all other light spectrums to reduce clutter and requirement for a smarter image analyzer.

DAS and dozen other systems below use IR instead of UV because jet engines do not create UV so you can't see enemy fighters with our IRIS.
Also it is possible to make missiles that do not radiate in UV (like meteor and other ramjet AA missiles) and regular missiles radiate UV only when their engines are still active, so I think we made a huge mistake by choosing glass filtered UV, instead of AI filtered IR like NG-DAS and dozen others. But I am no expert. Correct me if I am wrong.

Missile approach warning system - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I couldn't find official specifications of IRIS-300 and so I used IRIS-100 as reference. If IRIS-300 is not UV only like IRIS-100 and it is a sophisticated IR imaging system, ignore this.

 

[Radko]

IRIS-300 is the "FSS". MWS and 360 degree thermal SA system.

 

[MADDOG]

@MADDOG
Can we expect an advanced nozzle design in the future and maybe a multi TVC?

I don't think TAI will play around with the nozzles of the F-110's. For the national engine, sure. I'm not confident about the TVC thing. Probably won't happen.

 

[uçuyorum]

ChatGPT:

Thrust Vectoring Control (TVC) in the context of jets also carries some disadvantages:

1. Complexity and Weight: Similar to rockets, TVC systems in jets increase the complexity and weight of the aircraft due to the additional parts and mechanisms.

2. Maintenance and Reliability: These systems require regular maintenance and checks to ensure they are functioning correctly, as a failure could lead to a major flight issue.

3. Fuel Usage: To generate the changes in thrust direction, additional fuel is burned. This could potentially increase the overall fuel consumption of the jet.

4. Cost: Incorporating TVC systems increases the manufacturing and operational costs, making the aircraft more expensive.

5. Heat Erosion: Diversions of hot exhaust gas can negatively affect the aircraft structure around the jet nozzle due to heat erosion.

6. Need for Expert Piloting: While TVC provides increased maneuverability, it can also demand greater skill from the pilot to effectively use this capability. Improper handling can lead to loss of control.

I think F22 engine is the correct way to go for future aircraft. Reduces the RCS and the heat signature significantly, is simpler and easier to implement than 3D and simpler to control too. F119 is just good design. Plus it would blend well with slightly adjusted tail design, early designs of TFX seemed built around that even.

 

[Huelague]

I think F22 engine is the correct way to go for future aircraft. Reduces the RCS and the heat signature significantly, is simpler and easier to implement than 3D and simpler to control too. F119 is just good design. Plus it would blend well with slightly adjusted tail design, early designs of TFX seemed built around that even.

Makes the jet extrem agil and manoeuvrable for better engagement against AAM and AAG.

 

[Spitfire9]

I think F22 engine is the correct way to go for future aircraft. Reduces the RCS and the heat signature significantly, is simpler and easier to implement than 3D and simpler to control too. F119 is just good design. Plus it would blend well with slightly adjusted tail design, early designs of TFX seemed built around that even.

I don't know if exporting the F119 was prohibited along with F-22.

Whatever, F-22 MTOW is over 37 tonnes, so it is too powerful for use in Kaan, isn't?

 

[Afif]

I don't know if exporting the F119 was prohibited along with F-22.

Whatever, F-22 MTOW is over 37 tonnes, so it is too powerful for use in Kaan, isn't?

KAAN will end up having similar MTOW. In case you missed it, the name TF35000 for indigenous engine, applies 35000lbf thrust. (Which is the same as F119)

 

[Spitfire9]

F-22 wing area 78 sq m MTOW 37 tonnes
Kaan wing area 60 sq m MTOW 27 tonnes
source : Wiki

Can Kaan increase MTOW by 10 tonnes without needing a new wing?

 

[uçuyorum]

F-22 wing area 78 sq m MTOW 37 tonnes
Kaan wing area 60 sq m MTOW 27 tonnes

Can Kaan increase MTOW by 10 tonnes without needing a new wing?

Is KAAN MTOW perhaps limited by F110 in first version?

 

[Sanchez]

source : Wiki

I don't think preliminary MTOW figures for updated( after 2020] Kaan were made public by TAI. Correct me if i'm wrong. When that 27000 figure was first touted, then TFX was to have 2 20k lbs engines. Specs for the design changed after 2019.

 

[Afif]

F-22 wing area 78 sq m MTOW 37 tonnes
Kaan wing area 60 sq m MTOW 27 tonnes
source : Wiki

Can Kaan increase MTOW by 10 tonnes without needing a new wing?

Wiki is plain wrong on this. 27 tonnes is the gross weight.

Besides, it was explicitly memitoned by Temel kotil KAAN will carry 10 tonnes of payloads internally. (Fuel + weapons) F-22 carries around 9.5 tonnes internally.

Even F-35A has an MTOW of 29 tonnes.

Anybody with two Brian cells can figure that, massive twin engine KAAN is not lighter than an F-35.

 

[boredaf]

F-22 wing area 78 sq m MTOW 37 tonnes
Kaan wing area 60 sq m MTOW 27 tonnes
source : Wiki

Can Kaan increase MTOW by 10 tonnes without needing a new wing?

Nah, our engineers don't know what they are doing that's why we are going for 2x35k engines on it. That's the answer you're looking for?

 

[Zafer]

Tamil kotil

You totally lost the chance of being on good terms with Mr. Temel Kotil.

 

[Spitfire9]

Sorry, just quoted inaccurate source. I retract the query about MTOW and wing area.

 

[MADDOG]

13.600 sq m warehouse that will serve the MMU project

"On November 2, 2023, our executives and colleagues gathered for the ceremony. The B1031 Warehouse Building, whose construction process will be overseen by the Facilities Engineering, Planning and Investments Directorate under the Procurement and Industrialization Vice Presidency, will have a total indoor area of 3,970 sq m and a gross area of 13,600 sq m, including field concrete, landscaping areas, and roads. Upon completion, it will play a pivotal role in Türkiye's infrastructure for the development and production facilities of fifth-generation fighters."

https://www.tusas.com/medya-merkezi/Dergi?s=1&d=2024

 

[Spitfire9]

Ukraine’s Ambassador to Ankara, Vasiliy Bodnar, stated on CNN Türk that Ukraine plans to procure Turkish fifth-generation fighter jets, the KAAN, in the future.

This was reported by the Ukrainian aviation website Wings.

“Ukrainian experts are working within the framework of the project to create an engine for the Turkish national combat aircraft KAAN. This is not a new story. We have several experienced engine development companies,” Bodnar said.

Ukraine Plans to Buy Turkish KAAN fighters

Ukraine's Ambassador to Ankara, Vasiliy Bodnar, stated on CNN Türk that Ukraine plans to procure Turkish fifth-generation fighter jets, the KAAN, in the future

mil.in.ua

Anything in what he says? Is Ukrainian industry involved in developing an engine for KAAN?

On a different tack, first run of the TF6000 has been awaited for some time. Will it simply be announced when it has happened, rather than a date of national historical importance being chosen and announced in advance?

What is delaying Kaan's first flight

- required tests
- engineering problems
- problems revealed in taxi tests
- politics
- other

???

 

[Hasanrize]

Ukraine Plans to Buy Turkish KAAN fighters

Ukraine's Ambassador to Ankara, Vasiliy Bodnar, stated on CNN Türk that Ukraine plans to procure Turkish fifth-generation fighter jets, the KAAN, in the future

mil.in.ua

Anything in what he says? Is Ukrainian industry involved in developing an engine for KAAN?

On a different tack, first run of the TF6000 has been awaited for some time. Will it simply be announced when it has happened, rather than a date of national historical importance being chosen and announced in advance?

What is delaying Kaan's first flight

- required tests
- engineering problems
- problems revealed in taxi tests
- politics
- other

???

TF-6000 is waiting for matters related to engineering most probably. On the other hand, I can not claim the same for Kaan

 

[what]

I wouldnt overestimate the worth of words of an ambassador, it's part of his job.

 

[DBdev]

Patience, wait for March 18th Martyrs Commemoration and Çanakkale Victory Day for all these national defense project progress reports to be made public, all at once or in close succession.