TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Zafer]

Why? My country could have more carriers but why would it want them? OK, one more would be useful so that there was always one not being refitted or being serviced/repaired. But I can't see the need for the UK to have loads of carriers. I can't see the need for Turkiye to have loads of carriers either.

Countries' vision of the future maybe different from how it looks, nobody could guess that there would be talk of a world war 3 just a few years ago.

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

No, from Gibraltar to Indonesia. As long as they are affordable we can have several, particularly because they are fossil fueled and have limited range. They are more like mobile bases.

One Carrier and a Bomber Fleet is more Dettering to Protect the Interests from Gibraltar to Indonesia

 

[I_Love_F16]

We can use our LHD with KAAN simply by making some small modifications on TCG-Anadolu like adding arrester cables and simple restraining blocks as well as strengthening undercarriage of KAAN and adding a hook

You need heavy modification to accommodate a simple 4th gen fighter aircraft on a ship like the Anadolu, let alone a 5th gen fighter. You think it’s just as simple as putting an arresting cable and that’s it ?

 

[DBdev]

You need heavy modification to accommodate a simple 4th gen fighter aircraft on a ship like the Anadolu, let alone a 5th gen fighter. You think it’s just as simple as putting an arresting cable and that’s it ?

You are thinking of costly CATOBAR that Americans and French use. STOBAR is simpler China, India and Russia uses it. Just like I said but requires high TWR like Mig-29K. KAAN can pull it off too. Not with a 10.000 kg payload but perhaps half of that. Watch the Mig-29K very short no catapult takeoff I posted earlier.

STOBAR - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[I_Love_F16]

You are thinking of costly CATOBAR that Americans and French use. STOBAR is simpler China, India and Russia uses it. Just like I said but requires high TWR like Mig-29K. KAAN can pull it off too. Not with a 10.000 kg payload but perhaps half of that. Watch the Mig-29K very short no catapult takeoff I posted earlier.

STOBAR - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If we want to use our jets from their fullest potential from our future AC, then it’s CATOBAR that we need. STOBAR won’t cut it. It will maybe be sufficient for Kizilelma and Anka 3 but definitely not for Hurjet or Kaan. Like @boredaf said in another post, we should do it the proper way, or pass and use those ressources on something else.

 

[TheInsider]

Wiki - TWR Calculation​

The thrust-to-weight ratio is calculated by dividing the thrust (in SI units – in newtons) by the weight (in newtons) of the engine or vehicle. The weight (N) is calculated by multiplying the mass in kilograms (kg) by the acceleration due to gravity (m/s^2). Note that the thrust can also be measured in pound-force (lbf), provided the weight is measured in pounds (lb). Division using these two values still gives the numerically correct (dimensionless) thrust-to-weight ratio. For valid comparison of the initial thrust-to-weight ratio of two or more engines or vehicles, thrust must be measured under controlled conditions.

This is how I calculate for F110-129D engines KAAN have. We do not even know if TF35000 will give that thrust.
131 kilo newtons for each F110-129D engine. And gravity variable for acceleration at 9.8. Empty weight is (?)14.150 kilograms + 3500kg fuel + weapons payload not the full load to compare it to all the other fighters in the link I earlier posted which all were also carrying 3.5 tonnes to compare apples to apples since TWR changes with weight. So at least payload should stay the same to have some meaningful objective performance numbers. It adds up to:
1.07 =2x131,000/(14.150+3500)x9.8

Again the link to compare: https://world-defense.com/threads/thrust-to-weight-ratios-of-all-fighter-planes.1316/

Wrong. I don't know where you found an empty weight of 14.150kg. I would like to see if you quoted it from somewhere but it looks very ambitious and too good to be true. Most experts expect the empty weight to be around 16000kg and the typical load of fuel+weapons in stealth configuration is 10000kg as given by Temel Kotil so 26000kg in total take-off weight. I don't know why Kaan or any other modern fighter will just take off with a payload of 3500kg. When the weapon load is subtracted the amount of fuel will be just enough for something like half an hour.

And the worst part is, your calculation on your wrong take on, is also wrong.
(14,150+3500)*9.8
17,650*9.8=172,970

2x131,000=262,000
262,000/172,970= 1.51(I don't know how you managed to come up with 1.07)

With an empty weight of 16,000kg and 3500kg of payload my version of KAAN will have a T/W ratio of 1.37
The T/W ratio will be 1.02 with a 10000kg load.
There is a good reason why we want 35000lbf(156kN/156000N) engines. As it will bring the T/W ratio to over 1.2.

SI or the imperial system doesn't change the result.

You can calculate it from here.

Thrust to Weight Ratio Calculator

With this thrust-to-weight ratio calculator, you can determine the thrust-to-weight ratio of any aircraft.

www.calctool.org

 

[Saithan]

Harrier originally 2.gen but modified versions in 80’s were 4.gen or so. The design was still old but, but still very much capable of VTOL.

 

[MADDOG]

Kaan won't be stationed on the carrier chaps.

 

[boredaf]

Kaan won't be stationed on the carrier chaps.

Colour me shocked. Do you think there are plans for a naval version of Hürjet, or, a new (maybe smaller) naval TF-X, since we seem to be chasing this dragon come hell or high water.

 

[what]

Colour me shocked. Do you think there are plans for a naval version of Hürjet, or, a new (maybe smaller) naval TF-X, since we seem to be chasing this dragon come hell or high water.

I think that's exactly what Kotil said, if I'm not mistaken, that Hürjet will be made carrier capable.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

I think that's exactly what Kotil said, if I'm not mistaken, that Hürjet will be made carrier capable.

What's the point of a AC that can't use its prime Fighter Jet and has to use 4th Gen Fighter?

 

[Fuzuli NL]

What's the point of a AC that can't use its prime Fighter Jet and has to use 4th Gen Fighter?

We always make the same mistakes over and over again.
We get so carried away so that we start comparing Türkiye's capability with leaders in some areas of defence industry.
We're only just starting while the US, Britain, France have had decades of maturity in the field of aviation. Basically since the beginning of manned flight.
You can't expect us to magically develop something as sophisticated as the F-35 with its three variants in our first go.
Besides, our sole "aircraft carrier" was not meant for fixed wing aircraft initially, but mainly helicopters and VTOL like the F-35B. You can't expect a Nimitz class equivalent from us. It's insane!
For the time being it should suffice. KAAN is a marvel and a miracle that we have gained the know-how in such a record time.
And we're trying to make the best out of TCG Anadolu by making it one o the first UCAV carriers in the world. If we get some F-35Bs in the future then hurray.

 

[Sanchez]

First flight patch also ready.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1759500229076799610

 

[Zafer]

"İstikbal göklerdedir" is a very outdated claim, Humanity has already been in the air and space for ages. Come up with something better, like "Kaan göklerde" for the patch.

 

[uçuyorum]

"İstikbal göklerdedir" is a very outdated claim, Humanity has already been in the air and space for ages. Come up with something better, like "Kaan göklerde" for the patch.

The battle for dominance in space and air is very much ongoing

 

[uçuyorum]

The battle for dominance in space and air is very much ongoing

“The Earth is 70 percent water, and 30 percent land. But the entire sky… belongs to us.” - USAF advertisement

 

[Sanchez]

"İstikbal göklerdedir" is a very outdated claim, Humanity has already been in the air and space for ages. Come up with something better, like "Kaan göklerde" for the patch.

Doesn't make it outdated. Space is also part of the gök. This patch is for a Turkish audience and HvKK and TAI not using İstikbal Göklerdedir for the first flight of their first fighter jet is literally unthinkable. Few years later, Kaan will look lovely with Atatürk's signature, as is tradition with all HvKK aircraft.

 

[Khagan1923]

Doesn't make it outdated. Space is also part of the gök. This patch is for a Turkish audience and HvKK and TAI not using İstikbal Göklerdedir for the first flight of their first fighter jet is literally unthinkable. Few years later, Kaan will look lovely with Atatürk's signature, as is tradition with all HvKK aircraft.

he is upset because another reason, and you know very well what that reason is.

 

[Bluetooth]

Any chance for Türkiye to buy F-35B for aircraft carrier?

 

[Khagan1923]

I think that's exactly what Kotil said, if I'm not mistaken, that Hürjet will be made carrier capable.

Building a whole-ass carrier just for Hürjet? Don't know. This seems like buying a Porsche 911 Turbo S and swapping the engine to a renault one with 100hp.
As much as I think Hürjet will be more capable than people think and a nice lightfighter I do not think it is a aircraft you plan a carrier for your navy around.

Kaan is too big. Leaving the only option to either A. procure from another country (F-35B/C, F-18, Rafale-M, J-31) or TAI will develop a new aircraft.

There are so many question marks right now on this project, especially seeing how it won't get serious until we hit the 2030s. We can speculate but who knows what the world looks like in 10 years.