TR Casual Discussion TOGG - Türkiye's Automotive Joint Venture Group

[uçuyorum]

Turks normal people needs a small and cheap national car like Very,not the TOGG T10X

Yeah I think luxury SUV itself is just a terrible segment that's growing in the US but I think there are taxes on foreign ones. T10X is the wrong model for wrong era and demographic. It's targeting a specific, small and moderately wealthy group that use car as status symbol. It's a limited market. Need mid range or lower, sedan and hatchback models for daily use for mass adoption. I do see a couple in use in Istanbul everyday though.

 

[CAN_TR]

It's obvious that TOGG targeted the foreign market with the SUV and Sedan, for Türkiye you need an affordable compact class, actually that's what most people here in Europe are also looking for.

Affordable and good range, that would sell like hotcakes.

 

[uçuyorum]

It's obvious that TOGG targeted the foreign market

for Türkiye you need an affordable compact class, actually that's what most people here in Europe are also looking for.

Affordable and good range, that would sell like hotcakes.

This two are contradictory, and so is TOGG's strategy.

 

[B_A]

Yeah I think luxury SUV itself is just a terrible segment that's growing in the US but I think there are taxes on foreign ones. T10X is the wrong model for wrong era and demographic. It's targeting a specific, small and moderately wealthy group that use car as status symbol. It's a limited market. Need mid range or lower, sedan and hatchback models for daily use for mass adoption. I do see a couple in use in Istanbul everyday though.

It's obvious that TOGG targeted the foreign market with the SUV and Sedan, for Türkiye you need an affordable compact class, actually that's what most people here in Europe are also looking for.

Affordable and good range, that would sell like hotcakes.

The 50000 usd T10 X is too expensive for the average citizen of G7 countries.

in Japan and Germany the normal people buy 20000 usd Honda fit or VW polo.
And their income is several times high than Turkey.

the 50000usd t10x I think normally can only sold around 15k in Turkey every year unless super discount.

In the first year a large part of rich people bought T10x, they will not buy again in 5or 10 years

 

[Heartbang]

February's best-selling electric cars in Turkish market:

1. Togg T10X: 1201 units
2. Ssanyong Torres: 510 units
3. BMW 5 Series: 361 units
4. BYD Atto 3: 220 units
5. MG 4: 195 pieces
6. Volvo XC40: 165 units
7. Hyundai IONIQ 6: 157 units
8. Peugeot 308: 151 units
9. Mercedes-Benz EQB: 143 units
10. Citroen C4X: 135 units
11. Jeep Avenger: 129 units
12. Opel Mokka: 119 units
13. Renault Megane E-Tech: 106 units
14. Mercedes-Benz EQE: 90 units
15. Opel Corsa: 86 units
16. Opel Astra: 76 units
17. Tesla Model Y: 75 units
18. Mercedes-Benz EQS: 71 units
19. Audi Q8 E-Tron: 58 units
20. BMW i4: 54 units

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1764926405664457015

 

[what]

Got to say, just shows you how small the domestic market for EVs is in Turkey. Disappointing numbers.
Export success is a must if TOGG wants to be successful.

 

[Saithan]

Got to say, just shows you how small the domestic market for EVs is in Turkey. Disappointing numbers.
Export success is a must if TOGG wants to be successful.

I believe that Norway gave preferential treatement to EV for it to gain attention. Such as allowing EV to use buslanes and such.

In Denmark EV were/are allowed to park for free in Copenhagen (That would be the same as free parking in Istanbul withing laws and regulations).

So unless our Government gives preferential treatement on such scale I don't imagine it's going to explode immediately.

We also have to look at how many charging stations there are. e.g. Circle K har EV charging stations (In Denmark at least).

 

[uçuyorum]

I believe that Norway gave preferential treatement to EV for it to gain attention. Such as allowing EV to use buslanes and such.

In Denmark EV were/are allowed to park for free in Copenhagen (That would be the same as free parking in Istanbul withing laws and regulations).

So unless our Government gives preferential treatement on such scale I don't imagine it's going to explode immediately.

We also have to look at how many charging stations there are. e.g. Circle K har EV charging stations (In Denmark at least).

There was a tax benefit, but wasn't there news about it being removed

 

[Saithan]

There was a tax benefit, but wasn't there news about it being removed

Yes tax benefits also, but government got greedy and started to remove/reduce it because they can't promise old people money if they do the right thing (for elections, also in Denmark )

 

[Heartbang]

The first armored Togg was produced!

İsmail Eşsiz, who deals in vehicle armoring in Ankara, armored the domestic electric car Togg.

Says it is capable of withstanding handgun calibers up to .45

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1785251128713605361

 

[Tornadoss]

The first armored Togg was produced!

İsmail Eşsiz, who deals in vehicle armoring in Ankara, armored the domestic electric car Togg.

Says it is capable of withstanding handgun calibers up to .45

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1785251128713605361

I wonder how much it affects the range as it increase the weight.
And maybe now Ali Erbas can get armored Togg instead of wasting money on Foreign cars like Mercedes S class or A8

 

[Heartbang]

I wonder how much it affects the range as it increase the weight.

This information was disclosed in the attached video.

 

[Ryder]

Make a hybrid!!

I want a hybrid version

 

[Zafer]

Make a hybrid!!

I want a hybrid version

Batteries with 10 minute charge are on the horizon.

 

[Ryder]

Batteries with 10 minute charge are on the horizon.

Yeah mate especially how lithuim combusts into fire.

Sorry but petrol wont be going anytime soon.

Togg is niche the average citizen cant afford a car like that. Hence why they need to offer more choices.

 

[Heartbang]

Togg is niche the average citizen cant afford a car like that. Hence why they need to offer more choices.

Its not that niche. Here in where I live I see TOGG's quite often. The car pretty much outsells every other EV 3 to 1.
But the EV market is pretty small as it is, therefore it looks like its niche.

 

[Ryder]

Its not that niche. Here in where I live I see TOGG's quite often. The car pretty much outsells every other EV 3 to 1.
But the EV market is pretty small as it is, therefore it looks like its niche.

How is the electric infantstructure in Turkiye.

In Australia we are way behind not to mention we have range anxiety also our conditions which make people even more worry their electric cars cant cover the range or the batteries that could fail.

 

[Zafer]

How is the electric infantstructure in Turkiye.

In Australia we are way behind not to mention we have range anxiety also our conditions which make people even more worry their electric cars cant cover the range or the batteries that could fail.

Improving very fast, already ranks well in Europe. There are 170+ charge station operators, statistically stated, there was news recently.

 

[Heartbang]

How is the electric infantstructure in Turkiye.

Quite alright, from what I see on the web.

TOGG also develops their own charging network under the name Trugo.

You can see for yourself on https://www.plugshare.com/

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1785174111137804785

Wow, even in the past they knew the challenge of EV battery.