Indonesia Indonesian Army,Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Darat (TNI-AD)

[kooppyyy]

WHAAAA...?! I'm aware that our military brass are mostly old fashion old guard type, but they actually don't know about dump pouch? And I thought my privately bought & owned gears were bad. And, yet I had worn dump pouch, hydration bladder, NIR treated backpack, other PALS / MOLLE compatible pouches since around 2014

I mean it's hardly surprising, especially the army guys. At least the marines got exposure from numerous joint exercises with USMC, whether that be CARAT or RIMPAC. The only unit that I ever see rocking the dump pouch is KOPASKA, but presumably, that was also because it was under the leadership of gizmo aware Pak YesKill lol. In fact, I remember back in the OG Formil when SAKTI vest was first introduced there was a currently serving member that heavily against the idea, citing reasons such as the guys won't know how to properly use it because it isn't being taught in basic, velcro is noisy, and it's going to be uncomfortable when it's wet (from what I can remember).

Although with that said, these are just anecdotal encounters, so take it with a grain of salt. Maybe another member here that has a closer working relationship with the army can chime in?

 

[Madokafc]

But I share common love for the AP Boots though. Its seriously work well in jungle environment. And from what I was told Brazilian army also wear PVC boots for jungle environment. The American are baffled when they see u's Indonesian or Brazilian wearing those PVC boots.

Indonesian and Brazilian got real jungle experience

 

[Ravager]

But I share common love for the AP Boots though. Its seriously work well in jungle environment. And from what I was told Brazilian army also wear PVC boots for jungle environment. The American are baffled when they see u's Indonesian or Brazilian wearing those PVC boots.

Indonesian and Brazilian got real jungle experience

While US got the wartime experiences and gears . We get the environment ...
While they were in jungles for a " Touring " experiences we are coping in it for a life ...

 

[Madokafc]

While US got the wartime experiences and gears . We get the environment ...
While they were in jungles for a " Touring " experiences we are coping in it for a life ...

Though they got long experience during Pasifc War, Nam War, Panama, and other touring

 

[Ravager]

Some more trial run of SAMAR ... I don't know if this picture ever posted before

*SAMAR source were kind of insinuated that they aren't satisty with these internal running test as yet..

 

[Ravager]

Though they got long experience during Pasifc War, Nam War, Panama, and other touring

Different kind of life philosphy ... we are simply take thing as it is and adapting our behaviour around it While they preferred more of strapped/adjustable equipment more . They wouldn't even consider thing's effectiveness unless it was some highly modified self tailored PVC boots that eventually would cost them a fortune for a miniscule results

 

[Panca]

Different kind of life philosphy ... we are simply take thing as it is and adapting our behaviour around it While they preferred more of strapped/adjustable equipment more . They wouldn't even consider thing's effectiveness unless it was some highly modified self tailored PVC boots that eventually would cost them a fortune for a miniscule results

Are there any standard AP boots specifically for the military?

 

[Ravager]

Are there any standard AP boots specifically for the military?

Not yet as i recall...but who knows ?? Someone related to their marketing could read your post and starting to take a notice and make something out of it

 

[trishna_amrta]

Are there any standard AP boots specifically for the military?

Not officially. However, for similar application their agriculture / plantation line-up should serve well (I wear them in the deep mountainous jungle of Sumatra, to remote part of Celebes)

AP-XT

AP 9303 (this is the model I use)

 

[Madokafc]

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Some more trial run of SAMAR ... I don't know if this picture ever posted before

*SAMAR source were kind of insinuated that they aren't satisty with these internal running test as yet..

They use rubber boots

 

[Panca]

They use rubber boots

Seeing that operators in the field prefer to use AP Boots, it seems that there must be a military version.

 

[Madokafc]

Seeing that operators in the field prefer to use AP Boots, it seems that there must be a military version.

Rule of thumbs, the best in the market is one without military version tags instead....

 

[Mandala]

Nice video of Penerbad AH-64E Apache Guardian live firing the Hellfire missile.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CIjmPHEhXaq/

 

[trishna_amrta]

Rule of thumbs, the best in the market is one without military version tags instead....

Exactly. Most people don't realize that "Standard Issue" simply mean squeezing the most out of the cheapest bidder It's the same thing elsewhere even in Murica military

Edit:
I do however haven't found a better substitute for field ration out of commercial products. So far I still consider "nasi bantal" T2-PJ as the best field ration while I also still like wet ration such as T2P due to its convenience

 

[trishna_amrta]

Different kind of life philosphy ... we are simply take thing as it is and adapting our behaviour around it While they preferred more of strapped/adjustable equipment more . They wouldn't even consider thing's effectiveness unless it was some highly modified self tailored PVC boots that eventually would cost them a fortune for a miniscule results

Murica defence procurement is more about "wealth transfer" & "jobs creation" Personally I prefer European or "Kosher" stuff (which is also available commercially). But that just me being me, because I had exposure to my grandfather stuffs (WW2 leftover + battle loot from 10 Nov Battle of Surabaya)

 

[Chestnut]

Honestly I'm a bit suspicious about Dillon Aero gatling gun procurement, as local industry (Komodo Armament) could make a gun of the same type.

Quality control of their Eli gun and the fact that it's not certified for aerial use by any relevant aviation governing body.

And I think the Eli gun also has the same issue as Profense's M134 offering in the fact that they can't reliably fire Pindad-made ammunition due to well, Pindad quality.

 

[Var Dracon]

Quality control of their Eli gun and the fact that it's not certified for aerial use by any relevant aviation governing body.

And I think the Eli gun also has the same issue as Profense's M134 offering in the fact that they can't reliably fire Pindad-made ammunition due to well, Pindad quality.

So IF WE SAY Pindad ammunition is bad, then Eli gun is, worse?

If the gun and the barrel are good then they should have less problem with bad ammo

 

[Madokafc]

So IF WE SAY Pindad ammunition is bad, then Eli gun is, worse?

If the gun and the barrel are good then they should have less problem with bad ammo

No my biggest hunch is they yet to certified their products for many reasons

 

[Chestnut]

So IF WE SAY Pindad ammunition is bad, then Eli gun is, worse?

If the gun and the barrel are good then they should have less problem with bad ammo

It's not really the barrel that's the problem. It's that Pindad's ammo is literally a hit or miss in terms of quality that when a firearm has tight tolerances then it will refuse to fire/cycle.

And the Eli gun's problem IIRC relies on it's electrical components, which doesn't use the same US made components that you would find in Dillon Aero's and Profense's M134 models. I have full faith on their D5 line of rifles, but they would need to develop the Eli even more as well as submit them for certification before they can pitch them for aviation use.

 

[Madokafc]

Tactical Santa and friends giving gifts ...

Btw, i can see cable instalation there so electrification had reach deep far in the remotes area in Papua