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I hope not. Kamala would be an absolutely horrible choice. But she is difficult for democrats to pass over due to her gender and skin color.
What is her skin colour?

I think that Michelle Obama would be the best choice for the Democrats and would make an able president. The Americans have voted a black candidate into power before so I imagine being coloured or black or is no great disadvantage to being elected.
 

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What is her skin colour?

I think that Michelle Obama would be the best choice for the Democrats and would make an able president. The Americans have voted a black candidate into power before so I imagine being coloured or black or is no great disadvantage to being elected.
She is a "Person of Color". A protected class under the Democrat Party's ideology. That's why Democrats will have a very hard time replacing her with another candidate if said candidate has fewer diversity points. Meaning has to be a racial minority and a woman.
 

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She is a "Person of Color". A protected class under the Democrat Party's ideology. That's why Democrats will have a very hard time replacing her with another candidate if said candidate has fewer diversity points. Meaning has to be a racial minority and a woman.
Well, Michelle Obama is from a racial minority and is a woman, so she qualifies!

For people who gamble, the odds at the moment on who becomes president

Trump 0.58
Harris 2.3
Obama 31.0

(Bet 1 euro on Trump and if he wins, you win 0.58 euros)
 
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A Kamala Harris / Mark Kelly ticket will demolish Trump and Vance.

Harris will hammer Trump on abortion and women's reproductive rights, which lost Republicans seats in Red states during the midterms. She'll also reinforce him being held liable for rape by a court. I think She'll better articulate the successes of the Biden admistration, while continuing to go on the attack vs Trump in the areas he can't defend. The areas that offend voters in the U.S.

Meanwhile, Mark Kelly's record is nearly untouchable. Elected a blue Senator in a purple state. A seat Democrats hadn't won since 1962. 30 year military veteran. Naval combat pilot with 39 combat missions in Iraq and Afghanistan. 2x Distinguished Flying Cross recipient. 2x astronaut with NASA, including pilot and mission commander of space shuttle Endeavor. Commander of the International Space Station. Wife is a Senator who survived an assassination attempt in 2011 after being critically wounded. He's extremely intelligent, well spoken, articulate and well liked. Only 60 years old and in excellent health... Neither Trump nor Vance could say a bad thing about the guy without alienating half their voting base that are pro military and all of whom dreamed of growing up to accomplish 10% of what Mark Kelly has done in his life time.

That ticket deeply appeals to the average American, who holds typical American values.
You cant be serious :)
Trump has it in a bag.
If democrats wanted to win just put that Mark Kelly as candidate, not Kamala, she is a joke.
And I know, I know democratic "values" and minorities, but that is why they will lose.
 

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A Kamala Harris / Mark Kelly ticket will demolish Trump and Vance.

Harris will hammer Trump on abortion and women's reproductive rights, which lost Republicans seats in Red states during the midterms. She'll also reinforce him being held liable for rape by a court. I think She'll better articulate the successes of the Biden admistration, while continuing to go on the attack vs Trump in the areas he can't defend. The areas that offend voters in the U.S.

Meanwhile, Mark Kelly's record is nearly untouchable. Elected a blue Senator in a purple state. A seat Democrats hadn't won since 1962. 30 year military veteran. Naval combat pilot with 39 combat missions in Iraq and Afghanistan. 2x Distinguished Flying Cross recipient. 2x astronaut with NASA, including pilot and mission commander of space shuttle Endeavor. Commander of the International Space Station. Wife is a Senator who survived an assassination attempt in 2011 after being critically wounded. He's extremely intelligent, well spoken, articulate and well liked. Only 60 years old and in excellent health... Neither Trump nor Vance could say a bad thing about the guy without alienating half their voting base that are pro military and all of whom dreamed of growing up to accomplish 10% of what Mark Kelly has done in his life time.

That ticket deeply appeals to the average American, who holds typical American values.
I'm going to be nice but this is optimistic at best.

Aside from the fact that Kamala Harris couldn't debate a preschooler and come out looking good, very few people in the US actually give a crap about abortion any more. The mid-terms were when the issue was still fresh on the agenda and even then it didn't give the Democrats any particularly major wins. It's been 2 years since then and the entire issue of Roe v. Wade was giving power over abortion rights back to the states - and most red states have already affirmatively clarified its legal status so it's not really a hot topic anymore.

The actual legal system tried to nail Trump on rape charges and failed. Kamala wouldn't be doing anything there that Trump hasn't already been face-to-face with. She'd also be pretty hard-pressed to espouse the virtues of the Biden administration given how few there are and Trump's debating style is basically going fully on the offensive and smashing his opponent over every single fuck-up. And Biden has a LOT of those. Hell, Kamala herself has a fair amount of them.

I'm not sure what you think the average American is like but Mark Kelly being a veteran means absolutely fuck-all. The left-wing doesn't give a crap or actively dislikes what they perceive as army goons and the new right-wing is long past the period of putting military personnel on a pedestal after decades of such political types repeatedly letting them down. Kelly also earned a lot of ire for repeatedly trying to hide behind his wife's attempted assassination - 13 years ago - to deflect criticism. Not to mention that he has an obvious weak point that Trump will hammer, which is his connections to China.

Harris is a bad choice all round and no matter what kind of VP she picks, she's not going to win. To the average Joe and Jill, she's only slightly more palatable than oatmeal laced with cyanide for breakfast.

It's one of the reasons why Democrats have been so desperate to keep Biden in the game despite his blatantly obvious mental deterioration. He may be a dementia-afflicted fossil but he still holds marginally more appeal than Kamala does. But it's gotten to the point where it's simply not possible for grandpa to keep fighting any more so they have thrown in the towel and are now desperately praying that Kamala doesn't screw up too badly.
 
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A good 90% chunk of the rank and file (i.e colonel and below) are hardy social conservatives, recruited from deeply socially conservative areas. Can look at the data....its all there to find.

These are the bulk of folks that actually care about putting larger things (like family, community, country) ahead of their individual needs. Polar opposite in psyche to overfestered coastal elitists and deep blue serfs who only really know how to (in spoiled, hypocrite and deeply ingrateful ways) leech off folks that actually do family, community and country building/preserving.

So no, the republican voting base will never be going against the army, the army will join them push comes to shove (removing prima donnas in pentagon as required)....as the army comes from them in the end.

This is what keeps a large bulk of the atomized hyper-individualist typical western leftie-libs up at night constantly on this continent (I observe a number of them in real life and also their "thoughts" in whatsapp buddy groups etc)....and molded their politics to try overreach through the pentagon to try wag the dog by its tail by flag officer woke+DEI stuff in the first place (and very slow results to show for it as the rank and file simply do not bite as they are by and large cut from different cloth).

They basically get the sense/reality they are freeloading of yet another thing that does not submit to their internal feelings....and so the temper tantrums and unease they exert.
The stats on the share of conservatives and republicans among the Army and Police is correct; I think about 87% of them vote Republican or something, the remaining 13% I wouldn't exactly call liberals either. But my point is that in analyzing many different instances of rebellion by armed forces against the status quo, the linchpins are those from among them in higher positions who can form factions; without this the organizational possibilities are depressed. And this factionalization is almost always motivated by interests. This way generals of landed gentry who feel their property rights threatened by the monarch will rebel; or when there's social unrest, there will be preformed or pre-concieved factions within the armed forces who will vie for representation of the grievances of that social group if and only if any of those grievances can be squared with their interests (so obviously this will not happen with BLM for instance).

The armed forces of U.S. being comfortably fed and clothed waged employees of the state will mean they will side with the state and their own personal material interests if a social rebellion materializes, even if the ideals of the rebellion aligns with their ideological pov. This can be inferred from the lack of even the slightest inkling of a factionalization in the case of a "stolen election" and a "social rebellion" ensuing it, and also the nature of the reaction of the armed forces to these outcomes. In a nutshell, they will not bite the hand that feeds them, and feeds them well. The social situation in U.S. is not dire enough to make a palpable plurality of the armed forces to ignore their material interests imho. And even then a rebellion is very unlikely to begin with, so you can't join something that doesn't exist.
 

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The thing is what happens to the 14 million votes that Biden got before he dropped out?

Democratic party has to be one of the all time oxymorons right now. Here's a summary of 2024:

1) rig the primaries (again), by not allowing anyone to run against you ..... as it would upset the DC-media cover given for 3 years to curate the "NO HES NOT SENILE" so ppl dont focus on inner circle shit thats actually running the show

2) Get 14 million votes anyway....from deep blue numpties anyway

3) debate "literal hitler" because of own angry stubborn "I still have it!!!" corrupt grampa feelz

4) fail spectacularly, even for own deep blue numpty NPC crowd to see

5) have the cringiest coup ever in slow motion angst

6) "death of stalin" apprachik sleaze now in "brandons a HERO" from the DC media and DC dems


So yeah the 14 million votes in the primary are about as useful as the "democratic centralism" "votes" and other orwellian doublespeak... large commie monolith parties have done and still do.
 

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Democratic party has to be one of the all time oxymorons right now. Here's a summary of 2024:

1) rig the primaries (again), by not allowing anyone to run against you ..... as it would upset the DC-media cover given for 3 years to curate the "NO HES NOT SENILE" so ppl dont focus on inner circle shit thats actually running the show

2) Get 14 million votes anyway....from deep blue numpties anyway

3) debate "literal hitler" because of own angry stubborn "I still have it!!!" corrupt grampa feelz

4) fail spectacularly, even for own deep blue numpty NPC crowd to see

5) have the cringiest coup ever in slow motion angst

6) "death of stalin" apprachik sleaze now in "brandons a HERO" from the DC media and DC dems


So yeah the 14 million votes in the primary are about as useful as the "democratic centralism" "votes" and other orwellian doublespeak... large commie monolith parties have done and still do.
 

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A Kamala Harris / Mark Kelly ticket will demolish Trump and Vance.

Harris will hammer Trump on abortion and women's reproductive rights, which lost Republicans seats in Red states during the midterms. She'll also reinforce him being held liable for rape by a court. I think She'll better articulate the successes of the Biden admistration, while continuing to go on the attack vs Trump in the areas he can't defend. The areas that offend voters in the U.S.

Meanwhile, Mark Kelly's record is nearly untouchable. Elected a blue Senator in a purple state. A seat Democrats hadn't won since 1962. 30 year military veteran. Naval combat pilot with 39 combat missions in Iraq and Afghanistan. 2x Distinguished Flying Cross recipient. 2x astronaut with NASA, including pilot and mission commander of space shuttle Endeavor. Commander of the International Space Station. Wife is a Senator who survived an assassination attempt in 2011 after being critically wounded. He's extremely intelligent, well spoken, articulate and well liked. Only 60 years old and in excellent health... Neither Trump nor Vance could say a bad thing about the guy without alienating half their voting base that are pro military and all of whom dreamed of growing up to accomplish 10% of what Mark Kelly has done in his life time.

That ticket deeply appeals to the average American, who holds typical American values.


Typical American values? It looks like Marxist utopia values to me.
 

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The media is trying to make it look like Trump and Zelensky will be friends but I dont know about that from this tweet.
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The media is trying to make it look like Trump and Zelensky will be friends but I dont know about that from this tweet.
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Trump is incapable of friendship. Trump will betray anyone and anything if he sees he can get something out of it. He is devoid of any integrity. I'm not saying that other politicians are full of it, only that it is completely absent in Trump.
 

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Harris beating Trump? Even she doesnt believe that.

Just watch a few debates of her, she cant even explain her points.

Trump means power.
Trump means energy.
Trump means money
Trump means excitement.
Trump means self defence.
Trump means business.

And the most important of all, Trump has AIPAC.
 
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Why Some Republicans Can’t Resist Making Vile Attacks on Harris​

The offensive is an expression of the GOP’s values and its policy agenda, which, for this brief moment, is on display in all its ugliness.

By Adam Serwer

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Republicans will eventually refine these kinds of race- and gender-based attacks into more coded form, but this is not the same as rejecting them or their underlying premises. Trump-campaign officials told The Bulwark that they were planning to “Willie Horton” Kamala Harris—referring to the 1988 George H. W. Bush ad campaign that sought to foment and exploit racialized fears of crime. The first reason to take note of these attacks now is that they are being made when GOP officials are responding to President Joe Biden’s exit from the race, and are therefore expressing their unguarded thoughts, shorn of the sanitizing message discipline that is sure to follow. They are saying these things because they really believe them. The second reason to take note is that their policy agenda is shaped around these beliefs—which when plainly expressed are repulsive to most voters, even many Republican-leaning ones.

Virtually everything being said about Harris was also said about Barack Obama. Questioning Obama’s citizenship was how Trump became a right-wing hero in the first place. Conservatives called Obama an “affirmative-action president” instead of a “DEI hire” because this was years ago and the right-wing vocabulary was different. They called Obama dumb and lazy just as they are calling Harris dumb and lazy; they called him unqualified and said he achieved what he did only because of his racial background. Harris’s politics might be too liberal for many Americans’ tastes, but she was a district attorney, an attorney general, a senator, and then a vice president. She has not only more experience in elected office than Obama did when he ran, but more than either of the white men running on the Republican ticket.

The purpose of the “DEI hire” rhetoric is to diminish those accomplishments, and suggest that any Black person whom conservatives do not specifically approve of did not earn their place—an inversion of the history of racial discrimination in America such that white people become its true victims and Black people its beneficiaries. The purpose of this rhetoric is to stoke racial resentment by suggesting that few if any Black people have earned whatever success they have achieved, and that their success came at the expense of someone who is not Black. It has become a way to imply that Black people are less capable than white people—the problem is once you simply refer to every Black person in a position of prestige or authority this way, regardless of the circumstances, that sentiment is no longer hidden. Behind this racist fiction that almost every prominent Black figure is a “DEI hire” who doesn’t deserve their position is the reality that the wealthy interests backing Trump’s candidacy are bent on hoarding American prosperity for themselves and deflecting the blame for the economic consequences of their own greed onto others.

That worldview is married to the policy agenda of gutting or reversing antidiscrimination protections for nonwhites, so that discrimination on the basis of race in employment, voting rights, education, criminal justice, and housing can proceed without interference. As The Washington Post reported in 2020, “Trump presided over a sweeping U.S. government retreat from the front lines of civil rights.”

Read: The Brat-ification of Kamala Harris

The attacks on Harris for her relationship history or lack of biological children similarly reflect a deeply ideological worldview. Vance deriding Harris as a “childless cat lady” implies that women who do not have children cannot meaningfully contribute to or care about America's future; it is indicative of a belief that women are human beings valuable not in and of themselves, but only as broodmares, whose primary purpose is as vessels for human reproduction. The underlying insinuation is that women who do not have children do not have value, that blended families are not real families, and that women should be subject to draconian limitations on their personal freedom that men will never face. This kind of rhetoric is also, on a personal level, exceedingly cruel to all those couples who struggle to have children but cannot, to extended family with no biological kids of their own who bear the responsibility of raising children, and even to godparents who take on the duty of rearing children they are not related to.

Vance, like the activists who would staff a future Trump administration, has said that he believes abortion should be “illegal nationally” and that he wants to prevent women from crossing state lines to get the procedure. Notwithstanding misleading media coverage about Trump's position on abortion, the new GOP platform takes the position that abortion rights violate the Fourteenth Amendment and should therefore be illegal everywhere. As Laura K. Field writes in Politico, Vance has also argued that getting divorced is too easy, a strange position for a man running alongside the thrice-married Trump, but one that is consistent with a totalizing ideological opposition to women’s individual freedom.

Trump’s longevity as a bombastic celebrity has muted the GOP’s ideological extremism to many American voters. Although Trump shares much of that deeply ideological worldview, it is often obscured by the juvenile nature of his schoolyard insults. Expressed in frank, unguarded terms by Republican apparatchiks, however, it becomes creepy and off-putting even to many conservative voters. When that happens, many Republicans find themselves attempting to distance themselves from it, as Trump has tried to do with Project 2025, the policy agenda his staffers intend to pursue if he is given another term in office. The Republican strategy hinges on exploiting racism and sexism, but most Republican voters are not as fanatically ideological about their prejudices as the new Trumpist elite—right-wing lawmakers, staffers, intellectuals, and commentators. There is a reason that abortion rights tend to win popular referendums even in conservative states, and that the Republican leadership is attempting to tamp down all this vocal sincerity regarding Harris’s background.

An ABC News headline reported that Harris “faces racial ‘DEI’ attacks amid campaign for the 2024 presidency,” as though they were falling from the sky like rain and not directed at her by Republicans. A New York Times headline warned that “Trump’s new rival may bring out his harshest instincts,” as though it was Harris’s fault for provoking him by being a Black and South Asian American woman. A Washington Post headline warned that Harris “would have to contend with DEI, culture war attacks,” without naming those doing the attacking. This framing, however well intentioned, assigns less agency to Republicans for this political approach than GOP leaders have.

Harris is not to blame for these kinds of attacks on her. These are simply expressions of the GOP’s values and its policy agenda, which, for this brief moment, is on display in all its ugliness. Republicans are telling the public not just what they believe, but what they want to do with power once they get it: make a world where the remarkable American story of a biracial woman born of immigrant parents becoming president is not possible. You may see Harris’s story as inspiring. They find it grotesque and unjust. They are announcing as much, as loudly as they can. At least until they learn to use their inside voices again.
 

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The Democrats are correct about J.D. Vance being a moron. He's Trump's weak point and might possibly end up being even more of an Achilles' heel for the guy than Sarah Palin ended up being for John McCain. I've heard rumors that Doug Burgum, governor of North Dakota, was Trump's first choice and he was pressured to pick Vance by his son. Which is a huge misstep by Trump because Burgum is actually a pretty skilled politician and economically savvy while Vance is not only untested but also has connections to US intelligence. Which, in an age where the likes of the CIA are more hated than ever, is not a good look.
 

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Harris beating Trump? Even she doesnt believe that.

Just watch a few debates of her, she cant even explain her points.

Trump means power.
Trump means energy.
Trump means money
Trump means excitement.
Trump means elf defence.
Trump means business.

And the most important of all, Trump has AIPAC.

The Democrats are correct about J.D. Vance being a moron. He's Trump's weak point and might possibly end up being even more of an Achilles' heel for the guy than Sarah Palin ended up being for John McCain. I've heard rumors that Doug Burgum, governor of North Dakota, was Trump's first choice and he was pressured to pick Vance by his son. Which is a huge misstep by Trump because Burgum is actually a pretty skilled politician and economically savvy while Vance is not only untested but also has connections to US intelligence. Which, in an age where the likes of the CIA are more hated than ever, is not a good look.
This will best especially magnified when Kamala choose the likes of Andy Beshear or Scott Kelly as her VP and "JP Mandel" goes on looking like an even bigger moron.
 

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America Voting to Elect a President

The upcoming American presidential election presents a choice between the left-leaning Kamala Harris and the right-wing Donald Trump. Over the past 40 years, presidential elections have largely been driven by the prevailing issues and the candidates' perceived ability to address them.

In 1981, America replaced Jimmy Carter with Ronald Reagan after the humiliation of the Iranian hostage crisis. Reagan's tough stance appeared to be the answer to restore national pride, and Iran released the hostages just as he took office.

Similarly, in 1991, economic troubles following the Iraq invasion led to George H.W. Bush's defeat. Voters turned to Bill Clinton, an economic pragmatist, to tackle the country's financial woes. However, not all choices seemed ideal. In 2000, the Supreme Court's decision handed George W. Bush (Jr) the presidency, a period marked by 9/11 and prolonged conflicts in the Middle East.

Barack Obama, a charismatic and eloquent leader, took over during a time of average economic growth and significant economic engagement with China. During his presidency, America saw below-average prosperity and the rise of China as a formidable economic and military power, challenging the U.S. in the Indo-Pacific region. This situation led to the election of Donald Trump, whose policies included imposing tariffs on Chinese imports and urging allies to take more responsibility for their own defense.

Trump’s tenure was succeeded by Joe Biden, perceived as a Washington insider with less political charisma. Biden's presidency has faced significant challenges, including a chaotic military withdrawal from Afghanistan and ongoing conflicts in Ukraine and the Middle East, which have not bolstered American prestige. The U.S. support for Arab Palestinians over Israel and the growing assertiveness of China, particularly regarding Taiwan, have further complicated the geopolitical landscape.

As Americans prepare to vote, they face a critical decision: whether to continue the current trajectory with Kamala Harris, who would likely maintain Biden's policies, or return to Donald Trump's tougher, more confrontational approach. Each candidate brings distinct qualifications: Harris, with her background as a prosecuting attorney, emphasizes law and order, while Trump, a successful but controversial businessman, promises strict policies on immigration, economic competition with China, and minimal changes to gun control laws.

The choice is clear yet challenging. A vote for Harris signals a preference for continuity and moderate governance, while a vote for Trump indicates a desire for decisive action and a shift in national priorities. The outcome will reveal how America plans to address both domestic and international challenges in the coming years.

The party position on Kamala Harris is clear. They were lukewarm on Biden continuing but have concentrated their support for Harris. Her being Afro-Asian woman has attracted a large number of party support and fund raising from women and minorities. What exactly she means on issues of the day, America has not heard much from her. On the other hand America sees Trump’s position clear, but his organization is totally confused on Harris becoming a challenger so late. They have not found which way to train their guns and on what issues etc.
 
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