Live Conflict Israel-Palestine War|Regional Escalations

[Afif]

Let's say, hypothetically, that all of USA's Air Force Base access in Iraq, Kuwait, etc, were put out of commission and that the Saudis wanted to stay out of the war and didn't want USA launching strikes from their territory. I'll even got as far as suggesting that Turkey said the same thing make Incirlik a "no go" as well.

USA would still have the following options (just to mame a few) to launch hundreds of air sorties each day in support of Israeli air force and ground forces...

USS Dwight D Eisenhower
80 F-18F Super Hornets

USS George Washington
60 F-18F Super Hornets
20 F-35B Lightning II

USS Abraham Lincoln
60 F-18F Super Hornets
20 F-35B Lightning II

USS Wasp
20 F-35 Lightning II

Israeli Air Force Bases (Israel)
Aviano Air Force Base (Italy)
Akrotiri Air Force Base (Cypress)
NSA Souda Bay (Greece)
NSA Port Lyautney (Morocco)

Not to mention, USA has BY FAR the best air-to-air refueling capabilities in the world and could launch plenty of long range strike missions from as far away as Europe. They have more than 500 refueling aircraft that can extend the range of fighter / bombers by KMs of miles. They also have dozens of B-52s and B-1s and B-2s, with nearly unlimited range, that could be brought into theater from around the world.

USA could ABSOLUTELY keep hundreds of strike aircraft and long range bombers in the fight for an extended period of time (weeks at least) without the use of airfields in Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Bahrain, etc... If some of those countries decide to allow USA use of their airfields because they want to see Iran hurt in the war, then it's not even close. USA would have all the airfields it would need to bring hundreds of quality combat aircraft into theater from around the world.

As always, Your numbers are inflated. US carrier wing consists of 44 fighters. Not 80, for good reason. Italy and Morocco is too far away and has no relevance for fighter ops. Bombers cam be flown from anywhere but those are stand-off. Keeping tankers over Syria and Lebanon is gonna be risky and require expanding the war to both countries.

And if we factor Israel in, then some of their air bases will also be crippled by Hezbollah. They have too many missiles and rockets.

 

[Relic]

As always, Your numbers are inflated. US carrier wing consists of 44 fighters. Not 80, for good reason. Italy and Morocco is too far away and has no relevance for fighter ops. Bombers cam be flown from anywhere but those are stand-off. Keeping tankers over Syria and Lebanon is gonna be risky and require expanding the war to both countries.

U.S. CVNs actually have the capacity to carry up to 130'ish F-18 Super Bugs simultaneously. They can keep their standard air wing in the fight, but they can absolutely be used as recovery platforms for naval strike aircraft that are launched from elsewhere. You could easily see a scenario in which F-18s and F-35s launch from Southern Europe, refuel, carry out their missions and recover on U.S. Carriers. They could then refuel, and head back to their respective bases in southern Europe to refit and rearm, before carrying out their missions again. I used the number "80" as an idea of how many aircraft that I think could operate off of each carrier in the manner I described above. I chose a number that is a little less than double a standard air wing, as a modern CVN has no problem physically recovering significantly more aircraft than are found in its conventional air wing.

Aviano absolutely is not too far away... You can absolutely refuel strike aircraft over Israel / the Mediterranean and have them launch hundreds of JASSMs / JASSM-ER into Iran (Syrian air space would not be respected), as well as virtually unlimited PGMs and other munitions on Hezbollah in Lebanon. Again, the idea would not be to try to destroy Iran. That's silly. The idea would be to devastate Lebanon (Hezbollah) from the air along with the IAF, while Israeli troops attacked north on the ground, while doing meaningful damage to Iran's coastal infrastructure in both the north and the south, in response to their direct strikes on Israel.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1820746636244742426

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

USA would still have the following options (just to mame a few) to launch hundreds of air sorties each day in support of Israeli air force and ground forces...
Israeli Air Force Bases (Israel)
Aviano Air Force Base (Italy)
Akrotiri Air Force Base (Cypress)
NSA Souda Bay (Greece)
NSA Port Lyautney (Morocco)

Morocco do not host any foreign force on its territory, and have rejected the presence of a couple of world powers in the past.( Both naval ports, aswell as air bases).

The name you mentioned was a name that present when Morocco was a protecrate. The name of the airbase is Kenitra airbase.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1820885668480086530

 

[Scott Summers]

Katz again attacked our President, and this time he addes Imamoglu and Mansur Yavaş to.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1820745033516998797

 

[Scott Summers]

Morocco do not host any foreign force on its territory, and have rejected the presence of a couple of world powers in the past.( Both naval ports, aswell as air bases).

The name you mentioned was a name that present when Morocco was a protecrate. The name of the airbase is Kenitra airbase.

It's Relic, his statements are almost always false. Get used to it.

 

[Scott Summers]

Congratulations!

Yahya Sinwar is the new appointed President of the Palestinian people!

("The victors are not the ones with armies, but with courage")

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1820889358742028759

 

[Ryder]

Katz again attacked our President, and this time he addes Imamoglu and Mansur Yavaş to.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1820745033516998797

They always play the anti semitic card or the holocaust card lmaooo

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1821205696320282957

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1821142141847974207

 

[UkroTurk]

Egypt banned flights over İran tonight from 1 to 4 o'clock.

Will something happen tonight?

 

[Bogeyman]

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Egypt banned flights over İran tonight from 1 to 4 o'clock.

Will something happen tonight?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1821238316852727990

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1821142141847974207

 

[Corvus]

Israel, contrary to the common perception of being "strong and indestructible," is actually quite a fragile country.

Putting aside internal strife and conflicts, their damaged image globally, and being surrounded by hostile nations, Israel is an incredibly small country.

Without visiting, one cannot comprehend what it means to have such a small & flat territory with a low population and how significant this is in war. That's why people fall for Israel's propaganda of being very powerful.

In reality, though Israel's borders are not well-defined, it currently constitutes about 3% of Turkey's size. From the city of Qalqilya in the West Bank, the distance to cross all of Israel to reach the Mediterranean is a mere 14 km as the crow flies! You can reach the Mediterranean shores with a brisk 4-5 hour walk from the West Bank hills to Tel Aviv.

A motivated, large group of men willing to risk death could, using blitzkrieg tactics, spread throughout Israel very quickly and bring the country to the brink of collapse. If Israel reaches the brink of collapse, it will definitely collapse because what keeps Israel standing is the perception that it is indestructible. This is the reason for their reaction to the Al-Aqsa Flood operation on October 7.

They are extremely aware of their vulnerabilities and are committing genocide, taking on the entire world, to ensure no one attempts something similar again. Yes, this is genocide, and the elimination of Palestinians, who make up about 50% of the "Greater Israel" region, is a matter of survival for Israel.

Looking at the current situation quite realistically, I don't see a good end for Israel. Moreover, many Israelis are now starting to consider the possibility of collapse. They may not directly admit it, but if you get close to them sincerely, you'll see that many harbor such fears and are making escape plans.

 

[SilverMachine]

Well, I mean...

Yeah, good luck with that absolute fantasy.

Look, nobody disputes that if in some completely-unreal-hypothetical land that Iran, Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Yemen all got together, maybe somehow flipped the Egyptians & Jordanians & Emiratis to be on-side, that they could theoretically overrun Israel in a land invasion.

No shit. Thing is, that's never coming to pass, the latter three have bigger antipathy toward Iran than Israel for one.

And, even discarding the whole "if it came to that the US and half of Europe would be intervening, boots on the ground - and they absolutely would" factor, surely you're aware Israel has nukes, right? You can take their small, relatively-flat-and-low homeland in some hail mary suicide run, maybe a 10% chance of pulling it off it your crazy-ass leaders by some miracle become actually competent for the first time ever.

A half hour later the entire region's glass.

Even crazy middle-eastern dictators aren't so hot on that future for their people. Not. Gonna. Happen.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Nagasaki defends decision not to invite Israel to atomic bomb memorial

US, UK and other countries say they will send lower-level officials to ceremony that will take place on Friday.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[YeşilVatan]

Well, I mean...

Yeah, good luck with that absolute fantasy.

Look, nobody disputes that if in some completely-unreal-hypothetical land that Iran, Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Yemen all got together, maybe somehow flipped the Egyptians & Jordanians & Emiratis to be on-side, that they could theoretically overrun Israel in a land invasion.

No shit. Thing is, that's never coming to pass, the latter three have bigger antipathy toward Iran than Israel for one.

And, even discarding the whole "if it came to that the US and half of Europe would be intervening, boots on the ground - and they absolutely would" factor, surely you're aware Israel has nukes, right? You can take their small, relatively-flat-and-low homeland in some hail mary suicide run, maybe a 10% chance of pulling it off it your crazy-ass leaders by some miracle become actually competent for the first time ever.

A half hour later the entire region's glass.

Even crazy middle-eastern dictators aren't so hot on that future for their people. Not. Gonna. Happen.

Well it's not very far fetched to imagine US having some crazy crisis with budget, debt or elections. Then regional powers may show more teeth against Israel. But overall I agree with your conclusion. There are nukes at play, Israel is here to stay. My hope is Israel and regional powers solve this at the negotiating table.

IF Israelis actually use nuclear weapons, then they effectively forfeit the existence of their state. No country of that size with an advanced economy can survive without international trade. And a worldwide trade embargo would be the absolute minimum. Just Azerbaijanis cutting off the oil supply or Egypt refusing ships from Suez would cripple Israel. And American support in that case should not be taken for granted. Even with all their lobbying power, their hold on US policymakers got much, much weaker.

Let's assume we got over this crisis. Jewish Israeli society will move to the right due to the imbalance between ultra-orthodox birthrates and secular birthrates. There is also Israeli Arab birthrates which further complicates things. 15 years later we will be looking at a similar, if not worse situation.

A proper fkn mess. I hate everything about this issue. There's no way to solve it in a good way.

 

[Gary]

This part :

"A motivated, large group of men willing to risk death could, using blitzkrieg tactics, spread throughout Israel very quickly and bring the country to the brink of collapse. If Israel reaches the brink of collapse, it will definitely collapse because what keeps Israel standing is the perception that it is indestructible. This is the reason for their reaction to the Al-Aqsa Flood operation on October 7."

I have actually said it again and again

Now we know that Israel's image of invincibility is not that great. It is built upon perception by Arab secularists who (thankfully) lose the Arab-Israeli wars. In fact, the reason why Israel is so safe is because the Arab secularists around them accepted this made up "facts" which was shattered on October 7th.

There's only one breed of men in the Middle East willing to take this risks to do this while not getting deterred by nuclear retaliation. And they happen to be good at warfare...something which the national armies of the Middle East aren't.

 

[YeşilVatan]

This part :

"A motivated, large group of men willing to risk death could, using blitzkrieg tactics, spread throughout Israel very quickly and bring the country to the brink of collapse. If Israel reaches the brink of collapse, it will definitely collapse because what keeps Israel standing is the perception that it is indestructible. This is the reason for their reaction to the Al-Aqsa Flood operation on October 7."

I have actually said it again and again

Now we know that Israel's image of invincibility is not that great. It is built upon perception by Arab secularists who (thankfully) lose the Arab-Israeli wars. In fact, the reason why Israel is so safe is because the Arab secularists around them accepted this made up "facts" which was shattered on October 7th.

There's only one breed of men in the Middle East willing to take this risks to do this while not getting deterred by nuclear retaliation. And they happen to be good at warfare...something which the national armies of the Middle East aren't.

Tell that to 3000 ISIS carcasses we curbstomped into the worthless dust of Al Bab.