TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1824118181796946151

"IT WILL BE A JOINT IRAQ-TURKEY TRAINING CAMP"

Minister of Foreign Affairs Hakan Fidan:

"After our meetings with my friend Fuat Bey, we held our high-level security meeting."

"We have very valuable participants from Iraq. Our Iraqi Minister of National Defense, President of the Hashd al-Shaabi Commission, and the Minister of Interior of the Regional Administration were our guests. In addition, our Minister of National Defense Yaşar Güler, our MIT President İbrahim Kalın, and our Deputy Minister of Interior Münür Karaloğlu held our high-level security meeting with us."

"We expressed our satisfaction with the Iraqi side's decision to close three political parties affiliated with the PKK in accordance with the banned organization decision."

"In addition, we have intensified our discussions on the draft memorandum of understanding on military, security, cooperation and combating terrorism, which we have been negotiating for a while. I would like to announce a historic development at this time. The memorandum of understanding in question was just signed by our Defense Ministers. We believe that we will take our cooperation to the next level with the skill of the joint coordination and training centers foreseen in this agreement."

"We wish to advance the understanding we are developing with Iraq on combating terrorism with concrete steps on the field. We will continue our contacts in this direction without interruption."

According to the signed memorandum of understanding; a Joint Security Coordination Center will be established in Baghdad and a Joint Training and Cooperation Center in Bashiqa between Turkey and Iraq for combating terrorism.

Minister Fuad Hussein stated that "Bashiqa is being transformed into a joint Iraq-Turkey training camp. Responsibility for the base area will be with the Iraqi Army."

 

[Heartbang]

Posted on another aviation forum:


Worth thinking about.

Although its not exactly wrong, this comes across manipulative AF.

Greeks had a habit of yammering about how "isolated" we were back in the heady days of 2020, when the tensions were boiling hot, in a similar fashion to this.

Beware of the hive-mind!

 

[Deliorman]

Curious to know what we gained in that S400 deal ? What kind of technology did the Russians transfer to us ?

Turkey learned how to make the tires for the Kamaz trucks.

 

[godel44]

I was suggesting that Turkiye act to safeguard in its own interests by ensuring access to an engine for KAAN until an indigenous one is available.

Since it is unlikely that any country will attack Turkiye in the near future, perhaps it would not matter greatly if F110 for KAAN were blocked and Turkiye's air force were below strength until KAAN turned up in the air force with the 35kN locally produced engine. KAAN powered by a Turkish engine could be coming off the assembly line in another 10 years. That would give the Turkish aviation industry sufficient time to fully develop the aircraft's systems before the aircraft went into production.

The opportunity to buy shitty planes - somewhat better than the planes you are buying from the US - has gone. The genius diplomacy of your president during his visit to Germany more or less eliminated that possibility. You are welcome to fly your shittier planes as your best fighters until KAAN arrives on the scene - with or without F110 engines.

You still seem to be under the delusion that what Erdoğa said - rightfully - on that trip had anything to do with the German embargo. Germans are acting this way because the Greens support terrorism. Those sanctions all stem from fundamental differences on important topics, not something someone said. Just building domestic aircraft is more palatable than giving a bully what he is asking for.

 

[Spitfire9]

Although its not exactly wrong, this comes across manipulative AF.

Greeks had a habit of yammering about how "isolated" we were back in the heady days of 2020, when the tensions were boiling hot, in a similar fashion to this.

Beware of the hive-mind!

Where is the manipulation in the post I passed on? Turkiye does not have good diplomatic relations with France, Germany or Sweden. Like it or dislike it, that is the case, is it not?

 

[Spitfire9]

You still seem to be under the delusion that what Erdoğa said - rightfully - on that trip had anything to do with the German embargo. Germans are acting this way because the Greens support terrorism. Those sanctions all stem from fundamental differences on important topics, not something someone said. Just building domestic aircraft is more palatable than giving a bully what he is asking for.

I heard what Erdogan said. I was listening attentively and was astonished at his undiplomatic performance. If the idea of going to Germany was to publicly embarrass the German chancellor, he succeeded all too well. Tell me: in international diplomacy, is that the way you gain the cooperation of the person with whom you are conducting negotiations?

 

[Tonyukuk]

Iraqis under the age of 15 or over the age of 50 will be able to enter Turkey without a visa...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Turkey/comments/1et0c63

 

[godel44]

I heard what Erdogan said. I was listening attentively and was astonished at his undiplomatic performance. If the idea of going to Germany was to publicly embarrass the German chancellor, he succeeded all too well. Tell me: in international diplomacy, is that the way you gain the cooperation of the person with whom you are conducting negotiations?

He said Germany did not criticize when Israel is committing a genocide because Germany committed a genocide against Jews in the past. I find this to be obviously true. But even if he said nice things for sensitive German ears, it wouldn’t improve the situation because, again, Germany is pro-PKK.

You seem to be quick in assigning the blame for bad relations to Turkey. Why don’t you criticize the European countries for having bad relations with Turkey? Turkey can build aircraft but they can’t build an ally like Turkey. This kind of immoral and idiotic behavior caused their decline in stature in foreign affairs more than anything else.

 

[Spitfire9]

I commented on Erdogan's lack of diplomacy when speaking in public to the the German chancellor. If a statesman wants to influence another statesman, he is almost certainly going to fail if he behaves the way Erdogan did in Germany. If the prime minister of my country behaved in Turkiye as the president of Turkiye did in Germany, I would be equally critical of my prime minister's behaviour. Incompetence is incompetence. That does not cease to be the case when demonstrated by someone from one's own country.

 

[Anastasius]

He said Germany did not criticize when Israel is committing a genocide because Germany committed a genocide against Jews in the past. I find this to be obviously true. But even if he said nice things for sensitive German ears, it wouldn’t improve the situation because, again, Germany is pro-PKK.

You seem to be quick in assigning the blame for bad relations to Turkey. Why don’t you criticize the European countries for having bad relations with Turkey? Turkey can build aircraft but they can’t build an ally like Turkey. This kind of immoral and idiotic behavior caused their decline in stature in foreign affairs more than anything else.

@Spitfire9 was merely pointing out that Erdogan conducted himself tactlessly. It is possible to criticize/insult someone if you wish without being so...inelegant about it. Erdogan has been leader of Turkey for 20+ years now and he still behaves like somebody that walked out of Nardaran yesterday.

 

[godel44]

@Spitfire9 was merely pointing out that Erdogan conducted himself tactlessly. It is possible to criticize/insult someone if you wish without being so...inelegant about it. Erdogan has been leader of Turkey for 20+ years now and he still behaves like somebody that walked out of Nardaran yesterday.

Agreed on that point. I also find Erdogan to be tactless with quite an abrasive style, especially according to European standards. The point stands however that him being elegant would not change the sanctions. Putting the blame of all of European absurdities on Erdogan's communication style is not correct. Being pro-PKK is surely much worse than being tactless.

 

[Heartbang]

Where is the manipulation in the post I passed on? Turkiye does not have good diplomatic relations with France, Germany or Sweden. Like it or dislike it, that is the case, is it not?

Lets go step by step, shall we?

- F-35 and probably F-15X and F/A-18E/F too (S-400 affair),

Correct on the F-35(although we do have our suspicions.)
I reckon F-15 and F/A-18 would be sold if asked, however investing into these platforms while KAAN is underway is superfluous as you'd agree.

- Rafale (Diplomatic relations with France, Greece and Cyprus),

Also mostly correct. However, the French have this habit of selling gear to both sides. (see Ethiopia-Egypt)
So they would probably sell if asked.

- Eurofighter (Diplomatic relations with Germany),

This one's a doozie.
The reluctance of Germans on this matter, and the general hostility coming from the Germans on all things Türkiye, cannot be handwaved away as "diplomatic oopsie-woopsies"
They risk the ire of their partners and domestic economic ruin with their stubbornness, and yet they remain steadfast in their way!
This can only be the result of 2 things:

1. Extensive Jewish influence on German politics
2. Genuine geopolitical rivalry as perceived by Germany(this one's more likely, based on my personal interactions with political-minded Germans)

So, I don't think there would be any change in that behavior, no matter the diplomatic finesse.

- Gripen (Diplomatic tensions with Sweden),

No such thing seems to remain. Looks like Erdogan got a favorable deal from that, and both sides are humming along nicely.
The problem with the Gripen is that

1. Not ITAR-free, meaning that the US would be involved in sales, complicating things.
2. A bit of an odd duck, and a downgrade compared to the F-16, let alone the rest.
3. Platforms with similar capabilities are already in development domestically. (Have you seen Hurjet recently? She's a beaut!)

- Su-30/Su-35 (NATO incompatibility)

Well, that's not up to anyone alive these days, innit?
Erdoğan wasn't even born yet when Türkiye joined NATO.

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You may noticed that I referred to "Turkish Air Force" and "Erdoğan" interchangeably.
That's because that in the eyes of the the lad who written that text, those two are the same thing.
In his smug, arrogant mind, Türkiye is a banana republic where whatever the leader say, goes. And they also probably ride camels to work! He is either ignorant, or deceitfully neglectful of the fact that Turkish Air force is an institution with its own culture, traditions and mindset, as it is with its NATO peers, and as it should be.

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IMO, this orientalist, arrogant mindset is not just the evil behind the argument stated on the text, but also the reason that the deterioration of relations between Türkiye and Europe in general (excluding Sweden, they seem to be alright as of now.) is taking place.
From the writer of that stupid text, to the higher-ups of the EU, the Europeans seem to be enveloped in a state of total obliviousness, a wrathful habit of irreverence and an unfounded sense of superiority so thick that they got lung cancer from inhaling nothing but their own farts!

 

[uçuyorum]

Pretty sure we asked for F15, F18 and F16 together mid 2010s

 

[Lool]

I was suggesting that Turkiye act to safeguard in its own interests by ensuring access to an engine for KAAN until an indigenous one is available.

Since it is unlikely that any country will attack Turkiye in the near future, perhaps it would not matter greatly if F110 for KAAN were blocked and Turkiye's air force were below strength until KAAN turned up in the air force with the 35kN locally produced engine. KAAN powered by a Turkish engine could be coming off the assembly line in another 10 years. That would give the Turkish aviation industry sufficient time to fully develop the aircraft's systems before the aircraft went into production.

The opportunity to buy shitty planes - somewhat better than the planes you are buying from the US - has gone. The genius diplomacy of your president during his visit to Germany more or less eliminated that possibility. You are welcome to fly your shittier planes as your best fighters until KAAN arrives on the scene - with or without F110 engines.

Honestly, all countries are waiting for the chance to attack Turkey
The notion that no country will attack Turkey in the near future is absolutely false

Rn, the notion of Turkey getting stronger day by day is worrying for all actors and every day Turkey remains alive and on its current path, its strength will increase and this creates nightmares for the west. The moment a gap appears, the West will take the chance to eliminate Turkey once and for all

The diplomacy of Erdogan regarding Germany wasnt the problem; germany as a nation is a slave to the jewish amd greek lobbies and they are the ones that pressured Germany into blocking the jet deal. Therefore, even if Erdogan were to lick the german shoes, they would have still embargoed Turkey

What is wrong when Erdogan criticise the Israeli-Greek alliance when they wanna take all of the EEZ for themselves and why is it wrong when Erdogan gets angry at Germnay and other nations when they are shamelessly supporting the PKK which kills Turks and wanna dismantle Turkey; their fellow NATO ally

Regarding Germany, the problem wasnt Erdogan himself but any nationalist leader that stands for Turkey's rights will face the same response from germany

Moreover, what determines whether a jet is superior or not isnt the model but the radar, avionics, and missiles. Turkish domestic F16 Ozgur upgrade presumably improves the Turkish F16s to the level of the vipers with extra added qualities that makes it even more lethal than most Eurofighter jets being sold on the market

As they say, it isnt the chasis that matters, but what is inside it

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Honestly, all countries are waiting for the chance to attack Turkey
The notion that no country will attack Turkey in the near future is absolutely false

Rn, the notion of Turkey getting stronger day by day is worrying for all actors and every day Turkey remains alive and on its current path, its strength will increase and this creates nightmares for the west. The moment a gap appears, the West will take the chance to eliminate Turkey once and for all

The diplomacy of Erdogan regarding Germany wasnt the problem; germany as a nation is a slave to the jewish amd greek lobbies and they are the ones that pressured Germany into blocking the jet deal. Therefore, even if Erdogan were to lick the german shoes, they would have still embargoed Turkey

What is wrong when Erdogan criticise the Israeli-Greek alliance when they wanna take all of the EEZ for themselves and why is it wrong when Erdogan gets angry at Germnay and other nations when they are shamelessly supporting the PKK which kills Turks and wanna dismantle Turkey; their fellow NATO ally

Regarding Germany, the problem wasnt Erdogan himself but any nationalist leader that stands for Turkey's rights will face the same response from germany

Moreover, what determines whether a jet is superior or not isnt the model but the radar, avionics, and missiles. Turkish domestic F16 Ozgur upgrade presumably improves the Turkish F16s to the level of the vipers with extra added qualities that makes it even more lethal than most Eurofighter jets being sold on the market

As they say, it isnt the chasis that matters, but what is inside it

Like I said a gazillion times, Türkiye needs Nukes and a lot of them. Why? If this Country gets ever destroyed by the help of outside actors, then it needs to be able to destroy all the other Countries that had their hands in it. A all in situation like, If my Country and People can't survive. No one can.

Russia theoretically is able to. If they fire all their nukes to the last one, it's game over...

 

[Spitfire9]

We should proceed with fully speed. Tengri has been patiently waiting for its horde to rise to total dominance for centuries. Only a few years left until the world realizes that the central horde has reawakened. Nothing will be the same after that.

TF-35000 and TF-6000/10000 are the most important projects. If they are successfully completed, no one can stop us. A Turkic world armed with 5th generation fighters and jet drones would completely change the face of the earth.

I thought this was about propulsion systems, not about how they would propel Turkiye to world domination.

 

[boredaf]

We should proceed with fully speed. Tengri has been patiently waiting for its horde to rise to total dominance for centuries. Only a few years left until the world realizes that the central horde has reawakened. Nothing will be the same after that.

TF-35000 and TF-6000/10000 are the most important projects. If they are successfully completed, no one can stop us. A Turkic world armed with 5th generation fighters and jet drones would completely change the face of the earth.

You desperately need a reality check mate.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

You desperately need a reality check mate.

And you need to desperately shut it. Why did what he said hurt you?

 

[Tonyukuk]

I thought this was about propulsion systems, not about how they would propel Turkiye to world domination.

You desperately need a reality check mate.

I was drunk. But I stand by my words!

 

[boredaf]

And you need to desperately shut it. Why did what he said hurt you?

It didn't hurt me at all lad, it was just wildly, hilariously unrealistic. This type of nationalistic chest beating is the reason why instead of living up to our country's real potential, politicians easily feed lies to people and get away with it. Knowing your limits is not a cowardice or shameful, it is logical and allows you to make the most out of what you have and what you can do, instead of overextending yourself and your resources and ending up with shiny shite in your hands that doesn't actually matter.

And you need to learn your manners before you try to talk like this to wrong kind of people in real life.