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[Oublious]

the first PT Anka3 does not have IWB ...

 

[I_Love_F16]

the first PT Anka3 does not have IWB ...

I thought the first prototype would have it.

 

[uçuyorum]

We have literally seen the insides of IWB of Anka 3 already

 

[Ştutgart]

AKINCI KNOWS NO BOUNDARIES

 

[somegoodusername]

I thought the first prototype would have it.

Mate, these are regular aircraft development phases. Western aircrafts have average 9-11 prototypes in development phase. Some of them is only used for ground tests, some of them is only used for testing flight dynamics, some of them is only used for testing the avionics, and some of them is used for weapon integration. This is just the first prototype. It would be normal if it didn't even fly.

 

[Sanchez]

And here's the first flight of Kızılelma PT-3, finally! As expected, no AB action for the first flight, pretty regular.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1838908667556511966

 

[boredaf]

And here's the first flight of Kızılelma PT-3, finally! As expected, no AB action for the first flight, pretty regular.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1838908667556511966

I really, kind of desperately, hope this prototype also have an IWB so that they can start weapons testing as soon as possible. I can't wait until it starts flying with TF6000, I might even fucking cry on that day

 

[dBSPL]

I really, kind of desperately, hope this prototype also have an IWB so that they can start weapons testing as soon as possible. I can't wait until it starts flying with TF6000, I might even fucking cry on that day

If Baykar's social media activities during the AKINCI and TB-3 test processes continue, we will see more test footage being shared than we would like. So much so that after a while we won't even share some of them here The long and arduous journey of KE begins.

 

[Strong AI]

I can't wait until it starts flying with TF6000

Maybe it will never fly with TEI made engines.

[...] Haluk Bayraktar adds: “Last year, Baykar decided to invest in engines. We will invest $300 million into engine production within the next five years. Within four years, we will be building Bayraktar KIZILELMA’s engine." [...]

https://baykartech.com/en/press/haluk-bayraktar-we-concentrate-on-being-the-best-in-technology-over-profits/#:~:text=Stating%20that%20the%20company%20allocated,be%20building%20Bayraktar%20KIZILELMA's%20engine.%E2%80%9D

 

[Strong AI]

To this day I still cant understand wtf baykar was thinking with this. How can they possibly leapfrog tei.

Guess it's either an issue of logistics (they dont think tei can deliver??) or politics..

Baykar wants to produce turbofan engines for their own products there are reasons for that. They won't compete with TEI and they can't.
Baykar might be sanctioned in the future which means Baykar might lose access to TEI engines.
Baykar is also afraid of government change. It can effect their relations with companies like TEI, TUSAS and Aselsan.
Baykar is competing with TUSAS. TUSAS owns TEI. TUSAS has platforms like ANKA 3/4 and it won't be a surprise if a Kızılelma competitor appears. I don't think Baykar and TUSAS are getting TF6000 from TEI at the same price as TUSAS literally owns TEI.

 

[boredaf]

Maybe it will never fly with TEI made engines.

[...] Haluk Bayraktar adds: “Last year, Baykar decided to invest in engines. We will invest $300 million into engine production within the next five years. Within four years, we will be building Bayraktar KIZILELMA’s engine." [...]

https://baykartech.com/en/press/haluk-bayraktar-we-concentrate-on-being-the-best-in-technology-over-profits/#:~:text=Stating%20that%20the%20company%20allocated,be%20building%20Bayraktar%20KIZILELMA's%20engine.%E2%80%9D

That's interesting, because it has been mentioned multiple times that it would use TF6000. Given that designing, testing and producing an engine takes a long time (and 300 million is really not that much to invest in engines), perhaps TF6000 can be a short term option while Baykar designs its own engine for the future. Perhaps for the two engine variant, that's supposed to be the final form of KE.

 

[somegoodusername]

[...] Haluk Bayraktar adds: “Last year, Baykar decided to invest in engines. We will invest $300 million into engine production within the next five years. Within four years, we will be building Bayraktar KIZILELMA’s engine." [...]

Will they drain engineers from TEI to advance their project? The TF-6000 is a highly advanced engine incorporating the latest technologies, including very hard to develop components like single-crystal turbine blades. What they are doing is no small job. They have decades of experience in the field. Was working with universities for years in order to develop latest technologies out there. I don't appreciate scorning the against TEI. They are doing phenomenal job compared to other engine developers globally.

I’m not sure Turkey has the human resource capacity for two firms operating in the same field. France, UK, and many other large industrial countries don't have two engine manufacturers. Unless Baykar aiming for something less advanced, perhaps relying on tech transfer and licensed production of Ukrainian engines.

 

[uçuyorum]

Will they drain engineers from TEI to advance their project? The TF-6000 is a highly advanced engine incorporating the latest technologies, including very hard to develop components like single-crystal turbine blades. What they are doing is no small job. They have decades of experience in the field. Was working with universities for years in order to develop latest technologies out there. I don't appreciate scorning the against TEI. They are doing phenomenal job compared to other engine developers globally.

I’m not sure Turkey has the human resource capacity for two firms operating in the same field. France, UK, and many other large industrial countries don't have two engine manufacturers. Unless Baykar aiming for something less advanced, perhaps relying on tech transfer and licensed production of Ukrainian engines.

It's most likely a modified version of Al 322

 

[uçuyorum]

I've heard of this as a theory too and it's the most credible one. With baykar and Ukraine 's good relations and the impossibility of making an engine this size from scratch in 4 years. Plus the investment being frankly a pathetic amount for a turbofan r&d from nothing.

Still though, what a waste. You have a clean sheet, modern design on the one end and some soviet leftover on the other. Sure they can modify it or whatever but tf6000 most probably has a lot more room to grow while baykar will be limited by soviet tooling and fundamentals.

I refuse to believe intranational politics being the reason for refusing TEI (if baykar truly fears a changing government they have a lot more issues than just not getting engines from tei lol) but if so, man that's shit.

It's still such a waste of manpower and a waste of KE's potential.

I hear good things about the people they have and the speed with which they are progressing

 

[Oublious]

 

[Strong AI]

I think that TurAF will order KEs with TEI engines and Baykar will use their own engines for export version of KE. So the Airframe will be suitable for both versions.

 

[Zafer]

Countries want to have more than just one engine developer. USA deliberately picks two engine makers for planes like the F16. Competition is always good when the competitors are willing to compete. And it is fantastic to have a competitor who wants to compete.

 

[somegoodusername]

USA deliberately picks two engine makers for planes like the F16.

US is a 25 trillion dollar economy, while Turkey barely has enough capital, academic, and educated personnel resources to sustain TEI for it's projects. If you split those resources between two companies, you won’t end up with two TEIs, but more likely something like the Kaveri engine projects. France only has Safran, UK only has Rolls-Royce, Ukraine only has Motor Sich. Only industrial giants like US and China, and former Soviet Union, Russia has more one military jet engine producers.

When TOGG was founded they drained many experienced personnel from companies such as ASELSAN. In some projects, whole project team left ASELSAN for TOGG. That caused slow-downs and setbacks in many defence projects. Turkish people doesn't like speaking with limitations, government propaganda doesn't help on this. If Black Sea Shield plans to compete with TEI, it will have effects.

 

[Zafer]

US is a 25 trillion dollar economy, while Turkey barely has enough capital, academic, and educated personnel resources to sustain TEI for it's projects. If you split those resources between two companies, you won’t end up with two TEIs, but more likely something like the Kaveri engine projects. France only has Safran, UK only has Rolls-Royce, Ukraine only has Motor Sich. Only industrial giants like US and China, and former Soviet Union, Russia has more one military jet engine producers.

When TOGG was founded they drained many experienced personnel from companies such as ASELSAN. That caused slow-downs and setbacks in many defence projects. Turkish people doesn't like speaking with limitations, government propaganda doesn't help on this. If Black Sea Shield plans to compete with TEI, it will have effects.

We already have a minimum of two engine makers. The second one being Kale, and they are already planning to make small jet and turbofan engines for business jets. Do you guys have objection to that. I haven't heard any. Companies want to make engines spending from their own pockets. More and more people get experience experimenting on these engines. This is a very good thing. TEI is a foreign partnership and we haven't shaken the foreign partner off like we did with TAI. That means we only have half a company with TEI. We also have TR-Motor and smaller companies like Idealab and probably other future companies as Turkish youth even make and race engines at competitions. These all fortunate developments to be happy with.

 

[Iskander]

Kızılelma is going into mass production! Historical step from Baykar
The production prototype of the unmanned warplane Kızılelma successfully completed its first flight yesterday. Kızılelma is expected to go into mass production this year.

Kızılelma seri üretime geçiyor! Baykar'dan tarihi adım

Haber 7 - İnsansız savaş uçağı Kızılelma’nın üretim prototipi dün ilk uçuşunu başarıyla gerçekleştirdi. Gelişmeyi Baykar Yönetim Kurulu Başkanı Selçuk Bayraktar sosyal medya hesabından duyurdu. Kızılelma’nın bu yıl seri üretime başlaması bekleniyor.

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