Live Conflict Israel-Palestine War|Regional Escalations

[Corvus]

*Harrison Ford voice* Who gives a shit?

They'll justify Hezbollah existing no matter what, the reasoning's inconsequential. They're here, they exist, they need to be dealt with, and seemingly mostly have been. No need to give them the type of fight they want, tunnel ambushes. Just continue stomping them every time you pick up the heat signature from a rocket launch, Israel can do that in their sleep. And in the meantime, you cut the umbilical cord feeding them with all these munitions, by going after the Ayatollah and his guys. More assassinations inside Iran, nuclear scientists having friendly encounters with a plain-clothes guy on a motorbike with an uzi, the works.

The people who wishes to understand ANYTHING give plenty of shit to the basic facts. Like, If you want to understand a conflict and make slightly accurate assessments, you should at least be able to identify the warring sides and know about their backgrounds.

It seems like you're not interested in such things but I'm still going to write this response for the general audience here:

Israel used means of violence and invaded Lebanon in 1982, thinking that this will provide security for Israel.

We are now in 2024, 42 years later, Israel is using means of violence and invading Lebanon again, thinking that this will provide security for Israel.

This time, danger posed against Israel is much bigger than what it used to be in 1982 because the invasion caused establishment of an armed resistance group with the main purpose of hurting Israel. In short, violence created new and more advanced threats.

What makes you think that it will be a solution this time? Why it would work now while it actually made things worse before?

It is expected from a human being with an average IQ to be able to learn from its mistakes so it won't repeat them again. However, pride can be such a powerful and blinding emotion. It beats basic reasoning and makes you repeat the same fucking mistakes over and over again... Till your last mistake.
History is full of such examples.

I wish, "the God's Chosen People" will keep believing in their delusions, their self assured victim hood+superiority complex.

And I wish the "good Goyim" of the Chosen People continue not giving shit about basic facts.

 

[Ryder]

"Limited ground invasion" reads to me more like a negotiation threat rather than an actual commitment.

And yeah, I'd wager that Iran sold out Hezbollah. They are more interested in Iraq at the moment.

Lebanese army also withdrew which makes it even more hilarious.

Yeah its a land grab. The chosenites can invade also cry as the victim at the same time.

But all of us as usual have to keep quiet because of "Anti Semitism and the Holocaust" or how they will send the ADL and their Lawyers.

 

[Corvus]

Hezbollah was created by Iran to ''help'' in case of war with sunnis and Israel(attack on Iran).
Take a look at Syria,Hezbollah got involved because of Iran.
We have sent many to their maker when they killed our soldiers during the various operations in Syria.
You can say that its also good for us that Hezbollah gets destroyed.

Did Iran "create" Hezbollah from nothing? Like everything was perfectly fine in Lebanon and suddenly Hezbollah popped out?

Israel created the grounds, Iran took advantage of the situation.

 

[Ryder]

Welcome to the land of delusions.

 

[Relic]

If Israel and Hezbollah wind up fighting anything that amounts to an "extensive" war, one has to wonder how far back it might set Hezbollah. Years? Decades? Assuming Israel's casualties are fairly numerous during the ground portion of their invasion, how much will they be willing to endure before they inevitably withdraw? And how much damage can be afflicted on Hezbollah before they retreat?

 

[Relic]

It has begun... Israeli artillery and aircraft are in support as Israeli forces enter southern Lebanon. It will be several hours before we get an accurate picture of what's happening on the ground. Hezbollah claims to be prepared. Israel is obviously confident that they can handle what the Lebanese throw at them. We'll see what transpires and if Iran continues to sit on the sideline or not...

Israel sends ground troops into south Lebanon as air raids intensify

Israeli army says ‘limited’ ground operation under way against Hezbollah as air strikes hit Beirut’s southern suburbs.

www.aljazeera.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/09/30/israel-lebanon-ground-invasion-hezbollah-war/

Live updates: Israeli forces begin 'targeted' ground operation in Lebanon, IDF says

Follow NBC News' live coverage as Israel strikes Iran-backed groups across the Middle East after killing Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah, and the Lebanon death toll rises.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Perun]

We all talking about whay Iran didnt send troops but whay should they send them? Hezbolah have more than enough troops in Lebanon. If needed more man can come from Iraqi militias. Only thing that Iran needs to send is ammunition, weapons and intel. For Iran is more inportant to made A bomb and that would be more complicated if it enters in war. For now time is playing for Iran and not for Israel. Altgough Israel has tactical advantage and it seams that has won majority of battles it seams also that for now they are loosing war.

 

[MaciekRS]

In this conflict UN failed in every possible way. That corrupt oraganization for old, useless diplomats should not exist anymore.
They let Hesbollah grow, they let Israel do whatever they want, they had "peace troops" in Lebanon that are doing absolutely NOTHING.

 

[Ryder]

In this conflict UN failed in every possible way. That corrupt oraganization for old, useless diplomats should not exist anymore.
They let Hesbollah grow, they let Israel do whatever they want, they had "peace troops" in Lebanon that are doing absolutely NOTHING.

UN has failed just like the League of Nations.

Humans will always be in constant warfare.

What Europe got right was after two World Wars they were able to come together and form the EU along with Nato.

You wont see this in another parts of the world. Because grievances run too deep. Political interests run too deep.

 

[SilverMachine]

Yeah, when's the UN been good for anything?

I've pretty much shrugged and laughed at anything UN related since the Rwanda says. And no security council with the US, China, and Russia having veto power on every issue is good for a damn.

Anyway, yeah, seems like it's still mostly an air campaign and the ventures into Lebanon on the ground are pretty small-scale with super-high-end units, if it stays to that it'll probably be pretty effective. I still don't really get how/why they can't just obliterate the tunnels from the air though, they have the means. I don't know, maybe it's more an intelligence & proof factor, they want to talk to some Hez guys who happen to want to continue living, and want photo evidence of all the stuff they've been stockpiling over two decades? Kinda the "we could have droned Bin Laden into oblivion, but I wanted to be satisfied with proof so I risked the SEAL raid" Obama thing?

In any case, I hope they've genuinely taken lessons from '06. Modern Merkava tanks are absolutely badass as hell, but any armored brigade's vulnerable to the pew-pew rockets of doom. I wouldn't put it past them to have some ace up their sleeve with that, considering how crazy effective the pager/walky and systematic dismantling of their entire leadership's been so far. Here's hoping. Israelis are willing to lose quite a few people to this campaign, they get the necessity, but yeah, you don't want to have all this success/momentum shit on by the Hez grunts getting a tank turkey-shoot.


EDIT: The US says Iran's "imminently" about send a bunch of ballistics Israel's way. This'll be pretty funny, wonder how long until we're posting the "wah wah" sound effect at their limp little attempt here. On the other hand, hope they're actually dumb enough to intentionally hit something big this time around, without all the half-measured forward warning so nobody gets hurt. Really feels like Iran need to be slapped around a little bit directly this time around.

 

[Iskander]

CNN TURK reported that Iran launched a missile attack on Israel

CNN TURK: Iran launched 100 on Israel

 

[SilverMachine]

Can't find any confirmation they've actually launched anything just yet. Like a half hour ago Atlanta-CNN was saying Israel hasn't picked anything up just yet in their sky-scanning, and the US was saying Iran was about to "imminently", whatever timeframe that means.

Have to wait and see I guess.

EDIT: Okay yeah, IDF confirms now. People headed to the shelters and such. Should be interesting. Kinda assuming another "demonstration" for-show type of thing like last time, mostly getting swatted down with ease, but if they get anything major through that'll probably be a good thing in the macro-politics sense, in that Iran's in deep shit.

 

[RMZN]

There are literally videos lol

Seems like Iran realized its animation videos this time

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841159866871669201

 

[SilverMachine]

Hm, that's intriguing footage. Any info on what types of missiles those are? They're both hitting home, and seeming like a mid-size payload. Question being, how the fuck they got through an Israeli/US/UK combined defence, and how reasonably small-time they seem to be.

But yeah, I guess the IDF's return on this one's going to have to be pretty hardcore, whether that's a barrage of their own or going right at the big man himself.

 

[RMZN]

Im truly curious about the economic cost. Iran seems to have launched a shitton of missiles. Ive seen posts of it being 200, 400 or even 700

 

[RMZN]

Hm, that's intriguing footage. Any info on what types of missiles those are? They're both hitting home, and not seeming to be all that big a payload. Question being, how the fuck they got through an Israeli/US/UK combined defence, and how reasonably small-time they seem to be.

But yeah, I guess the IDF's return on this one's going to have to be pretty hardcore, whether that's a barrage of their own or going right at the big man himself.

Last time many were intercepted by aircraft over iraq and syria, especially thanks to US and British assistance, no? Seems like Iran brought out its more sophisticated Missiles this time. I doubt they were caught off guard if they literally leaked Irans plan hours beforehand to the press.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841159532497482043

 

[SilverMachine]

If it's that high that's pretty crazy, and I guess would explain how these ones in the video made it through the air defence - sheer numbers, like most of them *were* neutered in the air by the IDF but at a certain point some are going to overwhelm and pass through.

But yeah, as you say, if they launched 700 ballistics they...probably can't do that again, it's a one-off card to play. I think the last one was a couple hundred, and it was reported at the time it cost Iran *big time* from their stockpile, so if this is as high as 7 that's wild. In which case yeah, wouldn't want to be Iranian brass right about now.

EDIT: Yeah, guess that's what I'm getting at - the interceptions seemed pretty easy & standard last time around, I'm wondering what's different here. Higher-end missiles makes sense - especially with the IDF less than an hour ago on CNN being all "we haven't seen anything yet", they'd probably have to be travelling pretty fast then. But even then, it's all homegrown second-tier Iranian & Russian shit, even a dozen or so of them getting through western defence is kinda curious. All the more reason the retaliation now has to be more than a bloody nose, really going to have to fuck them up in response now.

 

[RMZN]

I wonder what they aimed for and if they managed to hit Israeli air bases as planned.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841161875813277859

 

[RMZN]

If it's that high that's pretty crazy, and I guess would explain how these ones in the video made it through the air defence - sheer numbers, like most of them *were* neutered in the air by the IDF but at a certain point some are going to overwhelm and pass through.

But yeah, as you say, if they launche 700 ballistics they...probably can't do that again, it's a one-off card to play. In which case yeah, wouldn't want to be Iranian brass right about now.

EDIT: Yeah, guess that's what I'm getting at - the interceptions seemed pretty easy & standard last time around, I'm wondering what's different here. Higher-end missiles makes sense - especially with the IDF less than an hour ago on CNN being all "we haven't seen anything yet", they'd probably have to be travelling pretty fast then. But even then, it's all homegrown second-tier Iranian & Russian shit, even a dozen or so of them getting through western defence is kinda curious. All the more reason the retaliation now has to be more than a bloody nose, really going to have to fuck them up in response now.

Maybe direct strikes on iranian nuclear facilities? Because right now, theyve proven that they can indeed overcome Israeli and Western-assisted defences with numbers and current technology

 

[SilverMachine]

I wouldn't worry too much about the nuke factor, Israel's stopped them before.

But yeah, I'd be surprised if you're not compelled to go directly at the Guard over this, plenty of bases levelled & razed. One would think it'd have to be bigger than any prior face-off, given this.

Sure the F-35 pilot guys are pretty jazzed, at any rate. Although 15s & 16s are probably enough for Iran once the initial SAMS are taken out.