TR Defence Exports & Updates

[Afif]

https://dgdp.gov.bd/tender_file/tender_notice20241001143515.pdf

I am guessing Aselsan would like to participate with its STR-700G.

Chinese will likely offer GaN based SLC-2E. As BD army already operates four eariler SLC-2.

Thales could also join in and offer GM200 MM/C, as they recently sold two GM403 to BD.

Personally I would prefer Western solutions as they will be easier to integrate.

 

[Sanchez]

ASELSAN has signed export contracts with a total value of 26.2 Million USD for the end use of its customers in Asia and the Pacific regions for the sale of payloads for naval platforms including radar, friend-or-foe recognition, electronic warfare suite, remote-controlled weapon, submarine torpedo countermeasure, electro-optical and firing location detection systems.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841816970989089222

Another surface ship subsystem job? Lovely. No mention of CIWS so doubt it's for Jose Rizals of Filipinos. Possibly Indonesia?

 

[Enderun]

I have already shared this short article, which I think is relevant to our topic, on Twitter, albeit in Turkish, and I am leaving the English version here.
Below are the steps that can be taken to increase the export figures of the Turkish defence industry, point by point.

1 - Increasing investment in research and development (R&D): In order to develop advanced technologies and innovative products, more funds should be allocated to R&D. ‘Unfortunately, funds are not allocated to the desired extent. ‘Unfortunately, the funds are not allocated to the desired extent.
2 - International marketing strategies: Effective advertising and marketing campaigns should be carried out in the target markets. Participation in defence industry trade fairs and events should be increased. ‘Lack of well-equipped professionals who speak foreign languages like native speakers in this field.
3 - Direct distribution agreements between states: Increase the state-to-state ratio in B2B sales with the countries and governments we cross. To this end, strong lobbying activities should be carried out and the number of visits increased.
4 - Quality and certification: By spreading international quality production at the grassroots level, production should be carried out in accordance with high standards and the necessary certification processes should be completed.
5 - Increasing domestic production capacity: Domestic production capacity and the supply chain should be strengthened to support exports. There is a serious problem in this regard, namely the lack of funding. Companies should be supported financially through the provision of export credits and incentives.
6 - Customer support and training services: Customer satisfaction should be ensured by providing technical support and training services for exported products.
7 - Market diversification: New markets should be developed by conducting market research for different geographical regions. Our embassies and consulates have a lot of work to do.
8 - One of the most urgent needs is to establish a bank to provide financing loans for the defence industry to sell our products to other countries. Thank you for reading.

 

[somegoodusername]

Does anyone have a good guess about what our defense exports will amount to by the end of 2024? Last year, it was 5.5 billion dollars, and 4.3 billion dollars in 2022. The target is 10 billion dollars, but it seems like we are not going to achieve that target this year either.

 

[Anmdt]

Another surface ship subsystem job? Lovely. No mention of CIWS so doubt it's for Jose Rizals of Filipinos. Possibly Indonesia?

Firing location detection system on a naval platform? Sounds a little strange to me and possible not referring to acoustic gunshot detection but something else-like part of the EO Director or AKR-D.

Should be the modernization program for 41 ships that mentioned earlier, and that program was broken down among certain shipyards so likely Aselsan is getting a separate contract with each. There has been another "contract" from Asia-pacific region in the last months.

 

[Sanchez]

Firing location detection system on a naval platform? Sounds a little strange to me and possible not referring to acoustic gunshot detection but something else-like part of the EO Director or AKR-D.

Should be the modernization program for 41 ships that mentioned earlier, and that program was broken down among certain shipyards so likely Aselsan is getting a separate contract with each. There has been another "contract" from Asia-pacific region in the last months.

Maybe a land component for something, I don't know. Other articles directly lead to a naval platform and they do say so. Maybe a shot detector for riverine patrol boats? Just guessing.

 

[Iskander]

Does anyone have a good guess about what our defense exports will amount to by the end of 2024? Last year, it was 5.5 billion dollars, and 4.3 billion dollars in 2022. The target is 10 billion dollars, but it seems like we are not going to achieve that target this year either.

“Turkey's defense and aerospace exports reached a record monthly level of $876 million in May...
...In January-May 2024, exports of the Turkish defense and aerospace industry increased by 9% compared to the same period last year and amounted to $2.21 billion."

For August - $800 million.

The 2024 target ($7 billion) can be achieved.

https://военное.рф/2024/%D0%A2%D1%83%D1%80%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F22/#:~:text=%D0%92%20%D1%8F%D0%BD%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B5%E2%80%93%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%B5%202024%20%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0,21%20%D0%BC%D0%BB%D1%80%D0%B4%20%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%2C%20%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BB%20%D0%93%D1%91%D1%80%D0%B3%D1%8E%D0%BD.

 

[somegoodusername]

The 2024 target ($7 billion)

2024 target was 10 billion dollars. Same as the many years before.

 

[MhhJA]

Does anyone have a good guess about what our defense exports will amount to by the end of 2024? Last year, it was 5.5 billion dollars, and 4.3 billion dollars in 2022. The target is 10 billion dollars, but it seems like we are not going to achieve that target this year either.

Probably something between 6-8 billion dollars.

 

[Huelague]

2024 target was 10 billion dollars. Same as the many years before.

We could archive 10$ billion, problem are the embargo.

 

[bruhman]

I have already shared this short article, which I think is relevant to our topic, on Twitter, albeit in Turkish, and I am leaving the English version here.
Below are the steps that can be taken to increase the export figures of the Turkish defence industry, point by point.

1 - Increasing investment in research and development (R&D): In order to develop advanced technologies and innovative products, more funds should be allocated to R&D. ‘Unfortunately, funds are not allocated to the desired extent. ‘Unfortunately, the funds are not allocated to the desired extent.
2 - International marketing strategies: Effective advertising and marketing campaigns should be carried out in the target markets. Participation in defence industry trade fairs and events should be increased. ‘Lack of well-equipped professionals who speak foreign languages like native speakers in this field.
3 - Direct distribution agreements between states: Increase the state-to-state ratio in B2B sales with the countries and governments we cross. To this end, strong lobbying activities should be carried out and the number of visits increased.
4 - Quality and certification: By spreading international quality production at the grassroots level, production should be carried out in accordance with high standards and the necessary certification processes should be completed.
5 - Increasing domestic production capacity: Domestic production capacity and the supply chain should be strengthened to support exports. There is a serious problem in this regard, namely the lack of funding. Companies should be supported financially through the provision of export credits and incentives.
6 - Customer support and training services: Customer satisfaction should be ensured by providing technical support and training services for exported products.
7 - Market diversification: New markets should be developed by conducting market research for different geographical regions. Our embassies and consulates have a lot of work to do.
8 - One of the most urgent needs is to establish a bank to provide financing loans for the defence industry to sell our products to other countries. Thank you for reading.

This reads like chatgpt lol

 

[Sanchez]

More details about Otokar's 4x4 bid to Romania.

Max weight of the vehicle will be no more than 10.400kg(at least for some variants or all) and 278 vehicles are to be delivered within 1 year after contract signed.

Very competitive tender, no wonder why no one else but Otokar made a bid. Cobra II also falls to the heavy side, so we may see Urals and even Cobra Is being part of the package.

It would be very interesting if they revived the old AM General Cobra design from 10+ years ago.

And finally, Otokar announced to KAP that they've won the Romanian 4x4 tender. 32 billion liras or 932 million dollars.

"Following the completion of the technical evaluation, field tests and commercial evaluation processes, the official invitation letter for contract negotiations was sent to our company by the tender authority.

The tender worth RON 4,263,286,655.66 (Romanian Lei) includes a total of 1059 4x4 Tactical Wheeled Light Armored Vehicles, of which the first 278 units will be produced at Otokar facilities and the remaining part will be produced in Romania in a structure to be determined in the future, and some integrated logistics support services."

KAP

www.kap.org.tr

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

And finally, Otokar announced to KAP that they've won the Romanian 4x4 tender. 32 billion liras or 932 million dollars.

"Following the completion of the technical evaluation, field tests and commercial evaluation processes, the official invitation letter for contract negotiations was sent to our company by the tender authority.

The tender worth RON 4,263,286,655.66 (Romanian Lei) includes a total of 1059 4x4 Tactical Wheeled Light Armored Vehicles, of which the first 278 units will be produced at Otokar facilities and the remaining part will be produced in Romania in a structure to be determined in the future, and some integrated logistics support services."

KAP

www.kap.org.tr

Are we selling them to cheap or something? If the usa would sell 1059 Armored Vehicles they'd charge an arm, leg and other parts of that Country...

And building 781 Vehicles in Romania is cringe as well.

 

[Rooxbar]

Our chances in Argentina is less than zero with Milei and his team at the helm.

 

[Sanchez]

Are we selling them to cheap or something? If the usa would sell 1059 Armored Vehicles they'd charge an arm, leg and other parts of that Country...

Pretty much market prices for base vehicles, nearly 1 million apiece. Nurol signed for 100 vehicles with Estonia last year for 70 million, 700k apiece. Nurol NMS was also a contender in Romania's tender but pulled out along with all the others, leaving Cobra II as the sole entrant. To add, "we" are not selling anything, Otokar is. Otokar is in this to make money, I'd think they would have thought about their profit margins when putting in an entry to build 1000 vehicles.

And building 781 Vehicles in Romania is cringe as well.

Why?

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Pretty much market prices for base vehicles, nearly 1 million apiece. Nurol signed for 100 vehicles with Estonia last year for 70 million, 700k apiece. Nurol NMS was also a contender in Romania's tender but pulled out along with all the others, leaving Cobra II as the sole entrant. To add, "we" are not selling anything, Otokar is. Otokar is in this to make money, I'd think they would have thought about their profit margins when putting in an entry to build 1000 vehicles.


Why?

Because I don't favor teaching others that aren't super close.

 

[Sanchez]

Because I don't favor teaching others that aren't super close.

Romania is a pretty important country for Turkey. And these are very simple armored vehicles. It's also a great way for the company to enter the EU market for future tenders. Nurol did the same in Hungary for the exact reason.

 

[CAN_TR]

Hungary, Estonia, Romania and now Nurol builds a production facility in the UK for up to 1600 Ejder (Dragon 4x4).

Very important deals for Turkish companies, selling equipment to European countries (higher standards) will increase the stance of Turkish products globally but selling similar equipment to a random African will not. Money is the same but the "prestige" not.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Romania is a pretty important country for Turkey. And these are very simple armored vehicles. It's also a great way for the company to enter the EU market for future tenders. Nurol did the same in Hungary for the exact reason.

Hmm, makes sense. I stand corrected.

 

[Huelague]

Our chances in Argentina is less than zero with Milei and his team at the helm.

Business is business. Anything else, is anything else.