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[Angry Turk !!!]

One thing is for sure, Türkiye needs Nukes.

 

[byzero]

One thing is for sure, Türkiye needs Nukes.

A possible nuclear weapons program by Turkey would have very serious consequences, and embargoes would probably be imposed that would completely collapse the Turkish economy.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

A possible nuclear weapons program by Turkey would have very serious consequences, and embargoes would probably be imposed that would completely collapse the Turkish economy.

Getting partitioned are bigger consequences.

 

[Scott Summers]

A possible nuclear weapons program by Turkey would have very serious consequences, and embargoes would probably be imposed that would completely collapse the Turkish economy.

At least we will avoid a devastating war. You think all those US warships in the East Mediterranean are there for Lebanon or Gaza?

All the sanctioned nations just growth stronger militairily (North Korea, Russia, Iran).

 

[Scott Summers]

Killing all those leaders and commanders didnt do any shit to Hezbollah.

They are irregular militia with independent cells and without the need for a central command. And they are battle hardened soldiers, not childkilling reservists from Europe like the IDF.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1844053682498965676

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1844023924474188138

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1844054730315887016

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1843977348322099242

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1843993697094090909

 

[Scott Summers]

Two civilians killed by Hezbollah rocket fire in northern Israel

They were the first civilians killed by Hezbollah since the conflict with Israel escalated two weeks ago.

www.bbc.com

 

[byzero]

En azından yıkıcı bir savaştan kaçınacağız. Doğu Akdeniz'deki tüm o ABD savaş gemilerinin Lübnan veya Gazze için olduğunu mu düşünüyorsunuz?

Yaptırım uygulanan tüm ülkeler askeri olarak daha da güçleniyor (Kuzey Kore, Rusya, İran).

NNuclear weapons are not a magic wand that solves every problem. Unfortunately, Israel also has nuclear weapons, but it lives in a state of war and is restless.

 

[Zoth]

Turkey should negotiate in good faith the reunification of Cyprus and give up its unreasonable ambitions in the Greek and Cypriot territorial waters. Turkey gets nothing from antagonizing the EU for some maritime borders that the EU will never reconginze, making the claims completely useless from an economic point of view.

What a one sided view of the events.

Someone couldn't be more wrong about all these claims but i'm not even surprised anymore.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

If Iran actually tested a nuke then Israel is doing us a favor.

Don't forget that Iran backs Armenia and PKK, are trying to contain Azerbaijan and ultimately see themselves as a bulwark against a united Turkic World. You'd need to be naive to believe that them having nukes is a good thing.

We should stay neutral, but if they further their nuclear plans we should by all means assist Israel behind the scenes.

We need to be cold blooded.

 

[Barry]

Is this the first

What a one sided view of the events.

Someone couldn't be more wrong about all these claims but i'm not even surprised anymore.

If anything unites actual Europeans with the Eastern-flank crypto Euros, it's talking nonsense about Turks and Turkiye.

 

[Corvus]

Reports of unusual seismic activity inside Iran, some assumptions it might be a nuke test. Hope so, perfect opportunity & justification to take the axe to the head of the snake, end of all of this properly.

Why can Israel have nukes and Iran can't?

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

Why can Israel have nukes and Iran can't?

Preferably neither would have nukes.

Too late though.

Now we need to think, if Iran gets nukes what would happen in the long term? How would that impact our goal of establishing a fully fledged Turkic Union? Once they get nukes, they're not getting rid of them, and they will get a lot more bold with their ambitions.

As stated earlier, Iran supports both PKK and Armenia. What makes you think that them having nukes would be a positive thing for us?

I'm not pro-Israeli, but I find it disturbing that some Turks are oblivious to the Iranian threat. We need to stop being one dimensional. We can quietly arm Egypt and Saudi Arabia and give them the confidence to face Israel in the future, whilst simultaneously dealing with the Iranian threat.

 

[Ravager]

One thing is for sure, Türkiye needs Nukes.

So is everybody else ...
Let's be frank here . Liked or not all the UN permanent member of UN security council are nuke possesor .and they milked every advantages of it .. with all the internet shared knowledges and technological advances ...nuclear proliferation was uninvitables anyway ...
Instead of holding it a tight leash yet get abused and tormented daily by the holder of it ...let's just share it for everybody and beat anyone senseless enough in usage of it ...collectively .
Never talk about freedom when it isn't your hand as yet ...





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[contricusc]

What a one sided view of the events.

Someone couldn't be more wrong about all these claims but i'm not even surprised anymore.

What you call a one sided view is a neutral view that simply looks at the facts with no skin in the game. The reality is that part of Cyprus has been illegally occupied by Turkey for 50 years, and Cyprus is not allowed to function as a free democratic republic where all citizens have equal rights.

The attempt at reunification through the Annan plan has been an attempt to force Greek Cypruots to basically accept second hand citizen status in their country, with limited movement and property rights and disproportionately low representation in the country’s leadership, as well as foreign troops on their soil in perpetuity.

As for the Blue Homeland maritime claims, they are in the same league with China’s claims in South China Sea. Everyone looking at the issue from a neutral point of view will tell you that the Blue Homeland doctrine is completely bonkers.

I don’t have anything against Turkey, but in both cases it is obvious who is in the right and who is in the wrong. You may not agree with my opinion, but this is how things look like from a neutral perspective.

 

[Afif]

What you call a one sided view is a neutral view that simply looks at the facts with no skin in the game. The reality is that part of Cyprus has been illegally occupied by Turkey for 50 years, and Cyprus is not allowed to function as a free democratic republic where all citizens have equal rights.

The attempt at reunification through the Annan plan has been an attempt to force Greek Cypruots to basically accept second hand citizen status in their country, with limited movement and property rights and disproportionately low representation in the country’s leadership, as well as foreign troops on their soil in perpetuity.

I don't think Annan plan was anything about second 'hand' citizenship. Though, I get why Greek Cypriots claim it was biased.

As for the Blue Homeland maritime claims, they are in the same league with China’s claims in South China Sea. Everyone looking at the issue from a neutral point of view will tell you that the Blue Homeland doctrine is completely bonkers.

You are describing your pov as neutral. However, as third party person I could make the same claim and say, blue homeland looks reasonable to my eye. Have you looked to the Greek claimed EEZ? It look absurd and ridiculous.

 

[Scott Summers]

What you call a one sided view is a neutral view that simply looks at the facts with no skin in the game. The reality is that part of Cyprus has been illegally occupied by Turkey for 50 years, and Cyprus is not allowed to function as a free democratic republic where all citizens have equal rights.

The attempt at reunification through the Annan plan has been an attempt to force Greek Cypruots to basically accept second hand citizen status in their country, with limited movement and property rights and disproportionately low representation in the country’s leadership, as well as foreign troops on their soil in perpetuity.

As for the Blue Homeland maritime claims, they are in the same league with China’s claims in South China Sea. Everyone looking at the issue from a neutral point of view will tell you that the Blue Homeland doctrine is completely bonkers.

Did you even googled for it? Greece's EEZ claims are more like the Chinese claims.

You are like a Israeli soldier killing women and kids and blaiming Hamas. And you call your views neutral? Than i cant imagine your pro-Greek views.

 

[Scott Summers]

Keep them in fear and chaos.

Every day Hezbollah fires 150 rockets.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1843824569796440256

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1843906960581894480

 

[Saithan]

Preferably neither would have nukes.

Too late though.

Now we need to think, if Iran gets nukes what would happen in the long term? How would that impact our goal of establishing a fully fledged Turkic Union? Once they get nukes, they're not getting rid of them, and they will get a lot more bold with their ambitions.

As stated earlier, Iran supports both PKK and Armenia. What makes you think that them having nukes would be a positive thing for us?

I'm not pro-Israeli, but I find it disturbing that some Turks are oblivious to the Iranian threat. We need to stop being one dimensional. We can quietly arm Egypt and Saudi Arabia and give them the confidence to face Israel in the future, whilst simultaneously dealing with the Iranian threat.

While that may be the case I think it's in our interest to ensure to stay out of it, and look for benefits to us.

Just like during the cold war we should ensure that we get what we want. So closing kürecik radar base should be first step.

Someone will whine "oh no it's protecting us", I call bullshit on that. Close it down and see how the dices roll. You might be surprised at how fast those F16 even F35 gets delivered to us.

We have Hisars and other AD systems, maybe not enough of them, but since the intel from kürecik is sent to Germany I very seriously fucking doubt they'll give us the intel as fast as they give it to Israel.

Waiting for the "ups, we're sorry for being slightly late" excuse is not going to make my day. because no way that info is going to get out beyond the politicians.

False security is no security at all. Better to close the radar station, remember that Article 5 of NATO seems to apply to the radar station, and that is regardless of who owns it, so taking it down is the best move we can make given the boiling state of ME.

Iran isnt going to attack EU, and we all know this, and this has been said many times in the past as well.

 

[Zoth]

What you call a one sided view is a neutral view that simply looks at the facts with no skin in the game. The reality is that part of Cyprus has been illegally occupied by Turkey for 50 years, and Cyprus is not allowed to function as a free democratic republic where all citizens have equal rights.

The attempt at reunification through the Annan plan has been an attempt to force Greek Cypruots to basically accept second hand citizen status in their country, with limited movement and property rights and disproportionately low representation in the country’s leadership, as well as foreign troops on their soil in perpetuity.

As for the Blue Homeland maritime claims, they are in the same league with China’s claims in South China Sea. Everyone looking at the issue from a neutral point of view will tell you that the Blue Homeland doctrine is completely bonkers.

I don’t have anything against Turkey, but in both cases it is obvious who is in the right and who is in the wrong. You may not agree with my opinion, but this is how things look like from a neutral perspective.

This time i was going to take you seriously and answer you properly to educate you but the moment you claimed that Turkey's Blue Homeland doctrine is similar to China's South China Sea claims, you lost the very little credibility you had before.

And no, you are not Neutral, use these tactics in reddit, not here.

You cannot landlock a country which has one of the longest coastline to both Aegean and Mediterranean Sea just because you think you are an Island nation when you have a big ass mainland.

 

[SilverMachine]

As Sanchez says, a hypothetical underground nuclear test doesn't mean Iran has a nuke ready to use. Comparing them to North Korea is frankly moronic - NK has dozens of these things, and have dwindled them down small enough to fit on their (even if unreliable) ICBMs.

Iran's nowhere near anything like that, most-generous-to-Iran-case-scenario. Their "expertise" is in rockets, not in nukes, they're super primitive in that regard. Obviously there's no confirmation there even *was* a test here, just some suspicious seismic activity that doesn't seem natural, but yeah, as Sanchez says, if it *gets* confirmed, you have to move now. Nobody, all the other middle-eastern countries (bar maybe Syria - even Lebanon doesn't) included, wants a nuclear Iran. You'd have the backing of everyone, west, east, global south, to Flintstones-era their entire military pre-emptively.

As for Corvus' "why can Israel have nukes and Iran can't?" - Hahahaha. You know damn fucking well why, Israel's not going to use them offensively. Iran? Even all the Arab states agree full well Iran would use them on Israel. Plus, if Iran's successful in getting one, bet your ass Egypt & Saudi Arabia & Jordan & the UAE are starting up programs, pronto. Someone's letting them off the chain at some point when that spreads. This is the definition of "nip this in the bud", any means necessary, Iran's not getting a bomb, we'll kill millions if we have to to prevent it. Not just Israel's position on this, either, literally the entire region bar Iran's own proxies.