China China's 6th gen fighter has made its maiden flight

[500]

Let me ask your question to you, Replace all that you've said with NGAD, and answer me, what makes it better than a 5th gen F35 or F22?

I hope this answers your question.

As the Romans might say, Rogatio tua consulto insolubilis est—your question is deliberately unanswerable.

I dont consider NGAD as some 6 gen either. NGAD is also a long range interceptor.

 

[TheInsider]

Next-gen air warfare
Fly higher
Fly faster
Have a longer range/combat radius
Carry longer-range weapons
Carry longer-range sensors
Let drones do the risky tasks

 

[500]

Likely yes.

No DSI intakes, no S-duct. Obviously China lags behind the US in RAM, obviously China lags in aerodynamics, engines, avionics...

So it is no match both to F-22 and F-35. In terms of stealth, sensor fusion. network warfare, maneuverability, acceleration....

The only possible advantage is range due to its size. But 3 engines may kill that advantage too.

 

[Huelague]

3 engines means more speed. More fuel consumption. Less range .

 

[RMZN]

No DSI intakes, no S-duct. Obviously China lags behind the US in RAM, obviously China lags in aerodynamics, engines, avionics...

So it is no match both to F-22 and F-35. In terms of stealth, sensor fusion. network warfare, maneuverability, acceleration....

The only possible advantage is range due to its size. But 3 engines may kill that advantage too.

China has plenty of experience with DSI intakes and what makes you think the JH-XX/J-XX doesn't have S-duct intakes?

On which basis can you that china lags behind in RAM, aerodynamics, network warfare, etc. ? They have a larger engineering workforce and a far bigger pool of new incoming Engineering graduates. What makes you think that the chinese have been unable to catch up to the americans in short time? Because you deem all chinese products as "inferior/knock-offs/cheap" simply because they are chinese? Like how the west once labeled japanese made goods and products.

 

[blackjack]

China claiming a 6th gen gives me the same energy as this meme.

 

[Oublious]

No DSI intakes, no S-duct. Obviously China lags behind the US in RAM, obviously China lags in aerodynamics, engines, avionics...

So it is no match both to F-22 and F-35. In terms of stealth, sensor fusion. network warfare, maneuverability, acceleration....

The only possible advantage is range due to its size. But 3 engines may kill that advantage too.

How do you now? You only saw a picture.

 

[Huelague]

China has plenty of experience with DSI intakes and what makes you think the JH-XX/J-XX doesn't have S-duct intakes?

On which basis can you that china lags behind in RAM, aerodynamics, network warfare, etc. ? They have a larger engineering workforce and a far bigger pool of new incoming Engineering graduates. What makes you think that the chinese have been unable to catch up to the americans in short time? Because you deem all chinese products as "inferior/knock-offs/cheap" simply because they are chinese? Like how the west once labeled japanese made goods and products.

Chinas progress is unbelievable! But they can not catch up US/EU. They can only copying them and maybe perfecting. But never doing something new. The reason is simple. They are not free minded.

 

[500]

China has plenty of experience with DSI intakes and what makes you think the JH-XX/J-XX doesn't have S-duct intakes?

It is similar in composition to Su-57 and YF-23 both dont have S-duct.

Why it does not have DSI I dont know, but it does not. Probably they wanted to make it very fast.

On which basis can you that china lags behind in RAM, aerodynamics, network warfare, etc. ? They have a larger engineering workforce and a far bigger pool of new incoming Engineering graduates. What makes you think that the chinese have been unable to catch up to the americans in short time? Because you deem all chinese products as "inferior/knock-offs/cheap" simply because they are chinese? Like how the west once labeled japanese made goods and products.

All Chinese planes are copies or based on something, they are still struggling to make a small regional passenger plane. They are not even close to US.

 

[RMZN]

Chinas progress is unbelievable! But they can not catch up US/EU. They can only copying them and maybe perfecting. But never doing something new. The reason is simple. They are not free minded.

They have already surpassed the EU and Russia.

They started by producing under license and are now building their very own designs. How are they not free minded?

 

[RMZN]

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It is similar in composition to Su-57 and YF-23 both dont have S-duct.

Why it does not have DSI I dont know, but it does not. Probably they wanted to make it very fast.


All Chinese planes are copies or based on something, they are still struggling to make a small regional passenger plane. They are not even close to US.

The YF-23 does have a vertical s-duct?

So where did they copy this design from? The non-existent US counterpart?

 

[500]

The YF-23 does have a vertical s-duct?

So where did they copy this design from? The non-existent US counterpart?

Semi S-duct, like Eurofighter.

 

[RMZN]

so on what basis can you state that it doesnt have an s duct if there isnt even any footage of the intakes aviable to the public

 

[Afif]

so on what basis can you state that it doesnt have an s duct if there isnt even any footage of the intakes aviable to the public

He is throwing his personal speculations out there as facts. This Conversation won't go anywhere.

 

[NEKO]

This one looks cooler, not sure when the first flight will be tho.

So China currently working on 3 6th gen fighter design?

 

[Sanchez]

This one looks cooler, not sure when the first flight will be tho.

So China currently working on 3 6th gen fighter design?

This is a joke design, not real.

 

[500]

so on what basis can you state that it doesnt have an s duct if there isnt even any footage of the intakes aviable to the public

Its clear from the picture I posted.

Here my overall analysis of this thing:


1) Lack of tail indicate on low maneuverability. Its not a fighter. Its interceptor or bomber.
2) High swept wing, clean configuration, 3 engines, no DSI, indicate that they aim to achieve high speed and supercruise.
3) Very high wing area indicates its intention for high altitude.
4) Large size is good for range but 3 engines bad.

So overall its high altitude, high speed hit and run plane. Not bad concept, but 2 engines would be much better.

 

[Turkic]

but 2 engines would be much better.

We don't know enough to tell that yet. It may be 2 turbofan and 1 ramjet, 1 turbofan 2 ramjet, could change ramjets with scramjets. I doubt they will use all 3 engines at the same time. According to the voice in my head (which is me) they didn't use combined turbojet/fan-sc/ramjet. Instead, they used them seperate to get the most performance possible from each. It may have a long range when you combine seperate timed engine usage and aircraft size.

I won't make any guesses about it's mission set (even though I've my own ideas about). We don't know enough yet as I said.

Edit: Thanks for all your thoughts about the topic. That's why I love this forum. I always love to hear what you think about.

 

[RMZN]

Its clear from the picture I posted.

Here my overall analysis of this thing:


1) Lack of tail indicate on low maneuverability. Its not a fighter. Its interceptor or bomber.
2) High swept wing, clean configuration, 3 engines, no DSI, indicate that they aim to achieve high speed and supercruise.
3) Very high wing area indicates its intention for high altitude.
4) Large size is good for range but 3 engines bad.

So overall its high altitude, high speed hit and run plane. Not bad concept, but 2 engines would be much better.

Except it isnt. There is nothing that indicates it now having a S-duct intake unless you have a clear frontal view picture proving otherwise.


The only "6th gen" designs with vertical stabilizers are from nations that have not even built a 5th gen yet. Both F/A-XX and NGAD are supposed to be tailless as well as the other chinese SAC prototype. I am certain both the US and China have a very good understanding of how future air warfare will look like in regards to their fighter designs.

3 engines might simply be necessary for its missions capabilities regarding range, speed and energy generation to power all kinds of new gen systems, whilst still retaining a compact design

 

[500]

We don't know enough to tell that yet. It may be 2 turbofan and 1 ramjet, 1 turbofan 2 ramjet, could change ramjets with scramjets. I doubt they will use all 3 engines at the same time. According to the voice in my head (which is me) they didn't use combined turbojet/fan-sc/ramjet. Instead, they used them seperate to get the most performance possible from each. It may have a long range when you combine seperate timed engine usage and aircraft size.

I won't make any guesses about it's mission set (even though I've my own ideas about). We don't know enough yet as I said.

Edit: Thanks for all your thoughts about the topic. That's why I love this forum. I always love to hear what you think about.

Separate engines are not good idea since they will be a ballast during the flight. And I don't think that this thing will be so fast so it could justify the use of ramjet (its hull is too fat).