TR HÜRJET-Advanced Jet Trainer/ Light attack aircraft

[Saithan]

we're repeating ourselves too much, but I guess that's because everyone has a little dream they can't avoid slapping on top of the bread we're baking, like a topping of sorts.

Hürjet is a trainer and we need to get building 90+ of these.

I could add my topping which is a LCA version of it, which may come at some point. but not a priority.

 

[Turkic]

There's a point we're missing about the engine to be used on MUGEM's main combatant. If we're talking for commissioning it around 2040, than we should talk about indigenious engine programs again.

Developing an engine to fill the gap between TF-10k and TF-36k was discussed not long ago and to me, the most plausable answer was the unnecessity of adding the burden of a 3rd engine program to our defence industry (I don't remember who's opinion it was).

But by 2030-32, TF-6/10k will be done and the most job on TF-35k will be done too. So TEI can focus on TS-3000 and a 20k libre class engine until 2040. It would take less than 10 years since they will be developed two turbofan engines before. We can build our main naval aircraft with our indigenious engines. Either single engine TF-36K or twin-engine TF-XXk.

 

[dBSPL]

we're repeating ourselves too much, but I guess that's because everyone has a little dream they can't avoid slapping on top of the bread we're baking, like a topping of sorts.

Hürjet is a trainer and we need to get building 90+ of these.

I could add my topping which is a LCA version of it, which may come at some point. but not a priority.

With its updated specs, the Hürjet is really quite capable and perhaps one of the best aircraft in its class. So much so that when I see it being compared to trainers such as the M346 or L159T2 on the internet, it really makes my stomach cramp. This will be a true lead-in fighter trainer jet, a trainer that can maneuver at near sea level with the climb/turn rate of almost most supersonic fighter jets, with an extraordinarily wide repertoire of ammunition, including 2000lb ones. Also suitable for a variety of mission scenarios, such as air-to-air refueling(is planned) or operation with wing drones. There is nothing more natural than this aircraft being utulitized for some combat roles. Even if our air force doesn't use it, this is an approach that is in demand around the world and a way of making money.

In fact, speaking in terms of the training standards of many different air forces, it can be said that the Hürjet will be the operational conversion aircraft for the pilots to be prepared for KAAN. The platform with such advanced avionics and a suitable flight envelope is actually an LCA because it meets related requirements, even if we don't call it that. Whether to use it or not is a matter of demand.

 

[Saithan]

With its updated specs, the Hürjet is really quite capable and perhaps one of the best aircraft in its class. So much so that when I see it being compared to trainers such as the M346 or L159T2 on the internet, it really makes my stomach cramp. This will be a true lead-in fighter trainer jet, a trainer that can maneuver at near sea level with the climb/turn rate of almost most supersonic fighter jets, with an extraordinarily wide repertoire of ammunition, including 2000lb ones. Also suitable for a variety of mission scenarios, such as air-to-air refueling(is planned) or operation with wing drones. There is nothing more natural than this aircraft being utulitized for some combat roles. Even if our air force doesn't use it, this is an approach that is in demand around the world and a way of making money.

In fact, speaking in terms of the training standards of many different air forces, it can be said that the Hürjet will be the operational conversion aircraft for the pilots to be prepared for KAAN. The platform with such advanced avionics and a suitable flight envelope is actually an LCA because it meets related requirements, even if we don't call it that. Whether to use it or not is a matter of demand.

yes, but we all know how the west likes tripping us, so I think making it a trainer and selling it as trainer is a good move and we should stick to it.

Even if we can do some light chances and turn it into a LCA we should let that be an option for much later. Our needs and priorities can't match very well at the moment because of hidden embargoes and the tripping I mentioned, so we need to move a step or two behind our priority.

Getting 90+ trainer is a priority.

LCA is not a priority, at least not a move that should be revelaed as being possible.

Selling to Spain is not a priority, just a nice reduce cost move.

 

[Nutuk]

Hurjet as platform is very similar to the Boeing T7. As platorm she is not unique but Hurjet is to get a unique feature.

She will be like with Kaan able to link with unmanned drones. As you can imagine core of 5th / 6th gen fighters will be having a "loyal wingman" and Hurjet at the moment is the sole (first) trainer that can link up with unmanned drones.

Hurjet as LCA will be also very interesting for a lot of countries who do not have the huge budgets to afford fighter jets like Kaan, F35 etc. A combination of LCA fighters that are interoperable with drones like Akinci, Kizilelma and ANKA-3 may become very appealing for countries low on budget.

 

[2033]

Why don't we have a single-engine project with TF35000???

We can develop a 4.5-generation 'Hürjet-2' equivalent to the F-16V

 

[Fairon]

Why don't we have a single-engine project with TF35000???

We can develop a 4.5-generation 'Hürjet-2' equivalent to the F-16V

Manpower, budget and time.

 

[begturan]

We don't have to do everything, this is a subject that requires a large budget and workforce, when necessary, we can cooperate with friendly and allied countries and further develop our relations.

In this context, replacing F4 aircraft with EF2000 aircraft is not a negative step. Perhaps in 5/10 years, an aircraft in this class may be developed, perhaps after unmanned combat aircraft prove their reliability, we can develop and use platforms such as Kızılelma or Anka 3 according to these mission definitions.

In addition, we cannot know who will be our friend and who will be our enemy tomorrow. If we are on good terms with Russia today and bad tomorrow, then having alternative systems will be a balancing force for us.

 

[uçuyorum]

We don't have to do everything, this is a subject that requires a large budget and workforce, when necessary, we can cooperate with friendly and allied countries and further develop our relations.

In this context, replacing F4 aircraft with EF2000 aircraft is not a negative step. Perhaps in 5/10 years, an aircraft in this class may be developed, perhaps after unmanned combat aircraft prove their reliability, we can develop and use platforms such as Kızılelma or Anka 3 according to these mission definitions.

In addition, we cannot know who will be our friend and who will be our enemy tomorrow. If we are on good terms with Russia today and bad tomorrow, then having alternative systems will be a balancing force for us.

Another issue is pilot training difficulty. We have had help from Pakistan to train pilots after the coup attempt I heard from a few people. Eurofighter purchase likely includes pilot training and comes with ability to join more NATO and non NATO drills and exercises with other eurofighter users, stay up to date with them.

 

[Kaan Azman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1884625653816754680

 

[Sanchez]

Unsure if this is a CG doctored image or a genuine photo. Hürjet near the mach barrier. From TAI gazette 139.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1887809727247069612

 

[Saithan]

I am not sure a dustcloud appears when an object moves beyond the speed of sound. What if it was a cloud free day ?

 

[Ripley]

I am not sure a dustcloud appears when an object moves beyond the speed of sound. What if it was a cloud free day ?

True, not after breaking sound barrier but just when breaking through it. So, it must have been that particular sequence.
i believe a so called vapor cone is created and is related to humidity. Since I’m not a technical person can’t explain the physics involved there properly

Of course, assuming this is a real image captured the sequence.

 

[Yasar_TR]

I am not sure a dustcloud appears when an object moves beyond the speed of sound. What if it was a cloud free day ?

This is all to do with shockwaves, decreasing and expanding air pressures and temperature differences.
When the supersonic shock wave suddenly drop to subsonic at the back end of the plane, pressure, density, and temperature suddenly increase. This causes the air temperature around there to pass beyond the dew point; hence giving rise to a halo effect.

These are transonic in to supersonic flight examples.

 

[Sanchez]

decreasing and expanding air pressures and temperature differences

Exactly, there's no set figures to vapor cones. It depends on the location, elevation, humidity and air pressure at the given location.

Still unsure about the photo, but looking at the angle it's taken and the fact that it was published on the official gazette, this is probably the real deal. We already knew Hürjet had gone supersonic. Here's the best proof it did go transonic. We already knew it was possible with the design, and if it can keep the transonic speeds, it can go supersonic.

It was a mistake that there was no official presentation of this in the past months. This is the first Turkish designed and built aircraft that went supersonic.

 

[boredaf]

the fact that it was published on the official gazette

Eh, I wouldn't put too much stock on that mate, none of our entities or officials are above exaggerating stuff, or photoshopping an event that happened in this case, even if something did happen.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

 

[Sanchez]

Eh, I wouldn't put too much stock on that mate, none of our entities or officials are above exaggerating stuff, or photoshopping an event that happened in this case, even if something did happen.

I agree with officials' statements being the case for that but gazettes are usually made for internal consumption and for sector professionals.

 

[Turkic]

Unsure if this is a CG doctored image or a genuine photo. Hürjet near the mach barrier. From TAI gazette 139.

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1887809727247069612

Each aircraft has it's own unique shockwave "cone" depending on their airframe design and can appear on non-cloudy weathers.

Shape of the cone in the given photo is looking like F-18's:

High similarity between the cone shapes of those 2 aircraft creates towards me to the thought of editing. On the other hand, it may be reasoned by a possibility of two aircrafts creating similar shockwaves. However, I've never seen 2 different aircrafts sharing such similar shockwave prints.

 

[Sanchez]

Each aircraft has it's own unique shockwave "cone" depending on their airframe design and can appear on non-cloudy weathers.

Shape of the cone in the given photo is looking like F-18's:

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High similarity between the cone shapes of those 2 aircraft creates towards me to the thought of editing. On the other hand, it may be reasoned by a possibility of two aircrafts creating similar shockwaves. However, I've never seen 2 different aircrafts sharing such similar shockwave prints.

It simply looks edited, but there's no way to be certain from a single 480p photo, so I'll refrain from a direct comment one way or the other. It was already announced it passed its supersonic speed test, we just don't know if there's a photo of it.