TR Defence Exports & Updates

[hugh]

Yes indeed. But just like Bora missile exported version name Khan, i hope it can be transformed to an export version and even renamed depending on demand.

BTW, defenceturk says 4 TB3 and Akıncı in a set. That makes 240 TB3 and 36 Akıncı.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1889647103716053187

That sounds too good to be true. We should wait for the official figures

 

[Yasar_TR]

Yes indeed. But just like Bora missile exported version name Khan, i hope it can be transformed to an export version and even renamed depending on demand.

BTW, defenceturk says 4 TB3 and Akıncı in a set. That makes 240 TB3 and 36 Akıncı.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1889647103716053187

That is the deduction of a Defenceturk X message writer. Yet according to Avoiotionist‘s Polish writer there were 6 UAVs in a set in the TB2s Poland received. .
Are we to believe what a message says or an actual sale?

And there is also Baykar’s site that says each set is composed of 6/UAVs.

https://baykartech.com/en/press/the-first-sets-of-bayraktar-drones-were-delivered-to-the-mirosawiec-base/

Final Delivery of Polish Bayraktar TB2 Drones Completed

Poland now operates all of its new TB2 drones previously ordered from Turkey. Polish MOD studying the possibility of establishing a new branch of the

theaviationist.com

 

[Lordimperator]

That sounds too good to be true. We should wait for the official figures

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1889664748670628004

yep, better waiting from the official

 

[Sanchez]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1889664748670628004

yep, better waiting from the official

This is just people going off from past contracts with Poland, Romania etc and assuming numbers. So far there is only one source claiming numbers. It's the Jawapos article I also shared:

"Produk utama yang akan di lokalisasi mencakup UAV kelas Medium-Altitude Long-Endurance (MALE) TB3 Bayraktar sebanyak 60 set dan High-Altitude Long-Endurance (HALE) Akinci Bayraktar sebanyak 9 set, yang akan mendukung strategi penguatan industri kedirgantaraan dan kemandirian pertahanan nasional."

"The main products to be localized include 60 sets of TB3 Bayraktar Medium-Altitude Long-Endurance (MALE) class UAVs and 9 sets of Akinci Bayraktar High-Altitude Long-Endurance (HALE), which will support the strategy of strengthening the aerospace industry and national defense independence."

https://www.jawapos.com/hankam/015637331/indonesia-turki-perkuat-kemitraan-strategis-dalam-industri-uav-melalui-joint-venture-agreement

We don't know what a "set" means here. It could mean 60 separate systems, meaning control stations and 2-6 drones each. It could also just mean 60 drones and accompanying control stations. As we argued in the TNI-AL thread, as the sea area Indonesian armed forces need to control is very large, it would be expected that the setup of the systems be tailor made for Indonesian needs. There's also to consider whether this includes naval needs for deployment aboard carriers, which we also don't know if it's happening.

So indeed, we don't know anything re specifics. Just that there's a joint venture to be created for building a large number of drones.

 

[2033]

Indonesia having a strong defense industry will ease Turkey's position. Having a strong partner in world politics always makes things easier for us.

I would like Malaysia, Pakistan, and Nigeria to be part of this club as well.

 

[Ahlatshah]

That sounds too good to be true. We should wait for the official figures

I am somehow very excited for this sale. First for my country to be honest. If we get one step back and consider ten year of span, we may not feel that way while in it, but we have reached a level in UAV sector that was unthinkable 10 or 15 years ago even our wildest dreams. Also, we dont have oil or gas to export like Russia or Iran, in order to live we have to produce and sell to abroad. There is no other way around. When it is high technology product, that will get us somewhere.

In addition, it is good for Indonesia imo. The Country is vast, lots of Islands. There were catastrophies in the past and they lost hundreds of thousands (Allah bless their souls). If they had such technology, they could have detected it earlier and saved thousands of lives, we may never know. Whether it is 60, 180, 240 or 360 doesnt matter, they need that numbers in order to detect, control and maintain order. Also they will built in their country with a very good level of ToT and most of their money stays in their Country.

And there is also Baykar’s site that says each set is composed of 6/UAVs.

I also considered that way but it was for TB2. Defence Turk is a reliable source, so for TB3 I thought their number might be true. However, I hope you are right and the number is 360 obviously. But, even if just 60 (not sets) it would be still very good number. Also Country is so big, that number will be increased in time no matter what

 

[Turkic]

What would be the price tag for 240 TB-3's and 36 Akıncı's if we calculate it with information of previous sales ?

 

[Hannibal]

One Akinci approx = $50 million
One TB-3 approx = $5 million

What would be the price tag for 240 TB-3's and 36 Akıncı's if we calculate it with information of previous sales ?

$1.8 billion for Akinci
$1.2 billion for TB-3
Total $3 billion

 

[Turkic]

One Akinci approx = $50 million
One TB-3 approx = $5 million

$1.8 billion for Akinci
$1.2 billion for TB-3
Total $3 billion

Firstly, thanks for your answer.

But 5 million for one TB-3 is impossible. TB-2 is 5-6 million dollars per unit.

 

[Ripley]

Firstly, thanks for your answer.

But 5 million for one TB-3 is impossible. TB-2 is 5-6 million dollars per unit.

Your numbers are good but we also need to take into consideration the fact that this will be a large sale and they’re planning buyer to manufacture under license.
These factors surely must be taken into account while estimating for such a large deal.

 

[hugh]

Your numbers are good but we also need to take into consideration the fact that this will be a large sale and they’re planning buyer to manufacture under license.
These factors surely must be taken into account while estimating for such a large deal.

I don't think we can make any informed guess without knowing the extent of the ToT and the rate of local production.

 

[Turkic]

I don't think we can make any informed guess without knowing the extent of the ToT and the rate of local production.

I know. I was just curious about total cost. Not what we will get.

 

[Lordimperator]

Roketsan produces a 122mm and 230mm rocket munition that can be fired from drones like Akinci and probably TB3.
Trg122 missile (122mm diameter) has a weight of 76kg and when fired from air should have a range of about 70-80km.
There is also a trg230 (230mm diameter) with a weight of 215kg and if fired from air can hit targets 150 km away with precision. As TB3s has a maximum capacity of 280kg, it may be just about capable to carry one Trg230. But should easily accommodate the trg122 missiles.
KHAN missile is a land launched twin canister solid fuelled rocket system like the above missiles. It is 600mm in diameter, 450kg explosive payload with a range of just under 300km. It can hit targets with pin point accuracy.


Atmaca is a 890 kg weight anti ship missile powered by a solid fuel booster and a locally manufactured turbojet engine that can easily sink frigates with it’s 250kg warhead. It has a range in excess of 250km. It can hit all surface platforms with precision. It can be fired from land or sea platforms.

theoretically, how many Atmaca missiles could be bought under 330 million?

 

[Sanchez]

Portugal planning to upgrade their 3 Vasco da Gama Class Meko 200 frigates, including major modifications. Tender is open to all NATO countries. Let's see if there'll be a Turkish entry like the Oruçreis MLU package.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1889678942979653977

 

[Fuzuli NL]

That is the deduction of a Defenceturk X message writer. Yet according to Avoiotionist‘s Polish writer there were 6 UAVs in a set in the TB2s Poland received. .
Are we to believe what a message says or an actual sale?

And there is also Baykar’s site that says each set is composed of 6/UAVs.

https://baykartech.com/en/press/the-first-sets-of-bayraktar-drones-were-delivered-to-the-mirosawiec-base/

Final Delivery of Polish Bayraktar TB2 Drones Completed

Poland now operates all of its new TB2 drones previously ordered from Turkey. Polish MOD studying the possibility of establishing a new branch of the

theaviationist.com

It's true that the TB2s are six a set but given the size difference I would think that TB3 is four and Akinci three a set.

 

[Sanchez]

Per Infodefensa, a delegation from Colombian Air Force recently visited Baykar to learn about TB3. Colombia deals with narco guerillas for decades and they already operate some number of Hermes 450 and 900. To my knowledge however those drones are not armed and they want to have the option open. Their falling out with Israel last year probably also stopped any modernization work. More interestingly, Colombia is already a partner with Airbus and placed a 300 million dollar order last year to buy 16 SIRTAPs beginning from 2027. That's the same drone that Spanish recently put on the Juan Carlos LHD.

La Fuerza Aeroespacial colombiana viaja a Turquía para estudiar las capacidades operacionales del UAV TB3

La fuerza pretende renovar sus capacidades sustituyendo a mediano plazo a sus Elbit Systems Hermes 900 y 450, a pesar de los recientemente ofrecidos procesos de actualización, mode ...

www.infodefensa.com

 

[IC3M@N FX]

This would be a big step for Turkey to enter the South American market TB2 drones + munitions would be the ideal system against drug cartels and organized crime in South America. These people have at most automatic weapons and bazookas, grenades and various explosives. I doubt that they have broad-based, state-of-the-art MANPADS like sponsored terrorist organizations, even though money can buy anything these days.

 

[Tabmachine]

This is the news I like to hear!

https://theaviationist.com/2025/02/17/baykar-indonesia-drone-factory-deal/

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

Morocco is expanding its defense cooperation with Turkey in order to modernize its army. During the Moroccan delegation’s meetings with ASELSAN, the establishment of joint research centers and the production of some critical defense systems in Morocco were also on the agenda.

The cooperation is planned to focus on electronic systems, smart solutions, and unmanned aerial platforms.

It was also reported that the two sides held talks on the purchase of a new combat management system aimed at increasing the Moroccan kingdom's maritime defense capabilities.


Source:

Fas, Türkiye ile silah işbirliğini derinleştiriyor

Fas, ordusunu modernize etmek amacıyla Türkiye ile savunma işbirliğini genişletiyor. Fas heyetinin ASELSAN ile gerçekleştirilen görüşmelerde, ortak araştırma merkezleri kurulması ve bazı kritik savunma sistemlerinin Fas’ta üretilmesi konusu da gündeme geldi.

www.karar.com

Abdellatif Loudiyi, Minister Delegate in charge of the National Defense Administration with a gift from the CEOs of Roketsan&Baykar mina at #IDEX2025.

 

[Sanchez]

Per TAI GM, UAE is interested in Kaan, Hürkuş, a joint development of a different model based on Anka-III and T129 Atak.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1891757607615856949

Fine for Hürkuş and T129, but I don't know how I feel about UAE joining Kaan or building a different UAV for Emirati needs where they would have full control over the platform.