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Nobody has ever heard of how the Quran was standardised.
quran turn into book by osman the 3rd caliph and he was a courrpt person ! he also burn the so called false qurans ! neverless we dont have nither orginal quran nor hadith ! and we have some qurans are different from one another which goes aginst your argumnet of 1 standard quran ! all of this have done after the prophet's death !
There is a reason why the Quran does not have like 100 versions.
we do have different quran with minor differences !

uran that comes from Volgar Tatar is the same one from Hejaz. Only difference is the script.
not at all the quran from tashkent and quran from topkaip palace and the quran from sana yemen are not same ! they have differences ! there was another quran discovern in north africa which i forget its name that one was also different and have islamist panic !
 

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look who is saying Becerisiz to who lets switch you 2 and see how well you preform. after living in germany all these years you become this lol i wonder can you last a year in turkey ! ! ! sen geber
Büyük ozan ne demis:

Komşunun tavuğu komşuya kaz görünür dersen
Kaz gelen yerden tavuğu esirgemezsen
Bu kafayla bir baltaya sap olamazsın ama
Gün gelir sapın ucuna olursun kazma ......
 

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Büyük ozan ne demis:

Komşunun tavuğu komşuya kaz görünür dersen
Kaz gelen yerden tavuğu esirgemezsen
Bu kafayla bir baltaya sap olamazsın ama
Gün gelir sapın ucuna olursun kazma ......
says the loser who tho being in germany turn into THIS and only thing you ,the loser, have is to shit on poor turks who are trapped in turkey which btw you ARE part of the reason their life is like this ! ! ! come home lets see how long you gonna last !
 

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says the loser who tho being in germany turn into THIS and only thing you ,the loser, have is to shit on poor turks who are trapped in turkey which btw you ARE part of the reason their life is like this ! ! ! come home lets see how long you gonna last !
Yakin ikkin catla geber.
 

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I watched Dr. Casagranda’s lecture series on Islamic civilization before. A member of the school of looking at history through “other side’s“ lenses.
However, while upholding Arabic contribution to world civilization, being an Arabic speaker scholar I guess, he seems to undermine Turkish contribution to Islam. Not that he is discrediting it but seemingly focuses less on the Ottoman impact.

Overall, the lectures were quite factual and were nice watching.
 

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I watched Dr. Casagranda’s lecture series on Islamic civilization before. A member of the school of looking at history through “other side’s“ lenses.
However, while upholding Arabic contribution to world civilization, being an Arabic speaker scholar I guess, he seems to undermine Turkish contribution to Islam. Not that he is discrediting it but seemingly focuses less on the Ottoman impact.

Overall, the lectures were quite factual and were nice watching.
that is on purpose ! turks playerd critical rule in silk road yet they mention mongols but not the turks, timur among the top 3 commnaders of all time along side of alexander the great and Genghis khan but they wont talk about him although he was a greater then both of them ! alexander was a son of a king who inhertitae the famouse army from Phillipe the great Genghis khan had 4 man to be his horse (friend ) who run the empire and diplomocy for him and 4 man to be his dog (generals ) among them was subutai the greatest mongol general yet timur had none of these he didnt had army and kingdom like alexander nor he had generals and adviser like Genghis khan to run military campian for him he fought all of his battles himslf and he is the only counqurere who took moscow in russia and deli in india beat all muslim powers as well as crusaders ! the viraity of enemy he face is so vast that other generals woudşnt succesd in his place ! same goes to turks contribution to Islam Christianity Judaism and buddhism! and some islamist help them in that regard ! i can go on and on !
 
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in the time of sultan mehmet the counter ottomans lived their golden age he was the supporter of philosophy and science and art even leonardo da vinci was about to come to istanbul to work for ottomans but sadly sultan died ! things go down hill when yavuz sultan selim took Egypt ! the ulema of Egypt had backward view of islam and they were enemy of science ! they saw guns and artillerys as a witchcraft and demonic ! when selim brought them back to istanbul the downfall begin ! especially when tarikats took over jannissary barrick as each barricks give their allegiances to their tarikat sheikh instead of sultan thats how you get jannisary revolts ! also Fetö and probably menzil in future ! ! the way for reform were closed ! sultan murad the 4th even beheded a sheikh al islam to open the reform for the empire. anyone wanted any reform face opposition from tarikat and cemaat selim iii and mahmut ii are among them ! ottoman empire were poisioned by ulema and philosophy from Egypt ! even today Egypt playing the same role ! tarikat leaders such as alparslan kuytul leader of furkanci tarikat whom their members were most people who gone to syria to fight for isis ! were actually did his islamic education in Egypt one of the 18 demand of 28th şubat generals from erbakan was to prevent these people to teach religion to turkish children and insisted that only diyanet should have sole right to teach religion to turkish people !
 
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that is on purpose ! turks playerd critical rule in silk road yet they mention mongols but not the turks, timur among the top 3 commnaders of all time along side of alexander the great and Genghis khan but they wont talk about him although he was a greater then both of them ! alexander was a son of a king who inhertitae the famouse army from Phillipe the great Genghis khan had 4 man to be his horse (friend ) who run the empire and diplomocy for him and 4 man to be his dog (generals ) among them was subutai the greatest mongol general yet timur had none of these he didnt had army and kingdom like alexander nor he had generals and adviser like Genghis khan to run military campian for him he fought all of his battles himslf and he is the only counqurere who took moscow in russia and deli in india beat all muslim powers as well as crusaders ! the viraity of enemy he face is so vast that other generals woudşnt succesd in his place ! same goes to turks contribution to Islam Christianity Judaism and buddhism! and some islamist help them in that regard ! i can go on and on !
The excessive praise of the West for the achievements of Iskander the Great is explained by the fact that European culture, as they usually do, is based on Roman and Greek culture (not on Byzantium!). They consider Genghis Khan (and Emir Teymur) a barbarian :) But how this "barbarian" created the greatest empire, they prefer not to say... Genghis Khan's military talent is incomparably superior to Alexander the Great and Napoleon the Great combined. Ironically, the Romans, whom cultured Europeans revere, in fact considered the Germans and Gauls, that is, the Europeans themselves, barbarians :LOL:
 
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The excessive praise of the West for the achievements of Iskander the Great is explained by the fact that European culture, as they usually do, is based on Roman and Greek culture (not on Byzantium!). They consider Genghis Khan (and Emir Teymur) a barbarian :) But how this "barbarian" created the greatest empire, they prefer not to say... Genghis Khan's military talent is incomparably superior to Alexander the Great and Napoleon the Great combined. Ironically, the Romans, whom cultured Europeans revere, in fact considered the Germans and Gauls, that is, the Europeans themselves, barbarians :LOL:
actually Genghis Khan is not that of a great general he had talented genrals that run military campain for him ! but not alexander, he fight all of his battle himslef like timur but he was son of a king with a powerfull army ! timur had none of these and alexander fought mostly only 1 enemy unlike timur who fought so many different army type from crusaiders to muslims to indians to russians to mongols ! ! it is insane how he overcome all of them ! beside European talks about mongols contribution to mankind via silk road same goes to Scythians but when gökturks or peçenek or kipçak , cumans ruled the stepps they wont talk about it ! khan's den did magnificent job of explaining how gökturks keep the trade and tech transfer flowing between east and west !

Ironically, the Romans, whom cultured Europeans revere, in fact considered the Germans and Gauls, that is, the Europeans themselves, barbarians :LOL:
exactly ! the westren idendity build on this but historically they considered barbarians by greeks and romans !
 
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