India Air-Force Indian Air Force

[Bhartiya Sainik]

The new J-36 is probably just a tech demonstrator but a derivative is/are probably coming next before 2030 perhaps & our Su-30MKI is our only heavy big fighter & will have to deal with it.
Su-30MKI is 21.9m/72 ft long, empty weight 18.4 tons + internal fuel 9.6 tons, + 6 Astr-3 SFDR (1,320 Kg) + 2 R-73 (210 Kg) = almost 31 tons, MTOW 38.8 tons.
J-36 has many speculations on size, weight, etc. One of them is estimated at 22.8m/75 ft long
I took their drawings from Google search, resized & superimposed & it looks like this:

Just look at J-36 span engulfing Su-3X

I superimposed their front views at their nose tip.

That's a BIG gappu jet
If we think Su-3X to be Elephant then J-36 is Mammoth

 

[Nilgiri]

The new J-36 is probably just a tech demonstrator but a derivative is/are probably coming next before 2030 perhaps & our Su-30MKI is our only heavy big fighter & will have to deal with it.
Su-30MKI is 21.9m/72 ft long, empty weight 18.4 tons + internal fuel 9.6 tons, + 6 Astr-3 SFDR (1,320 Kg) + 2 R-73 (210 Kg) = almost 31 tons, MTOW 38.8 tons.
J-36 has many speculations on size, weight, etc. One of them is estimated at 22.8m/75 ft long
I took their drawings from Google search, resized & superimposed & it looks like this:

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Just look at J-36 span engulfing Su-3X

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I superimposed their front views at their nose tip.

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That's a BIG gappu jet
If we think Su-3X to be Elephant then J-36 is Mammoth

Certainly puts things into perspective. Well done on your effort here.

The platform taking shape here seems to be range + payload focused rather than compromise with tactical maneuver that comes with fighter role.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Certainly puts things into perspective. Well done on your effort here.

The platform taking shape here seems to be range + payload focused rather than compromise with tactical maneuver that comes with fighter role.

Now i'm thinking how about putting 3 AL-31/41 & making a Su-30MKI sized agile stealth fighter

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

SPOILER/HUMOR

BREAKING NEWS

Super-duper-Sukhoi revealed:

Have a good weekend.

 

[Nilgiri]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1879105562488844401

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

@Nilgiri
Are there no threads for global 6th gen jets - NGAD, F/A-XX, FCAS, GCAP, B-21, etc?
I saw only 2 Chinese specfic threads.

 

[Spitfire9]

@Nilgiri
Are there no threads for global 6th gen jets - NGAD, F/A-XX, FCAS, GCAP, B-21, etc?
I saw only 2 Chinese specfic threads.

Would be good... and could keep keyboards busy up to 2050 or so! Or perhaps not such a short time

 

[Nilgiri]

@Nilgiri
Are there no threads for global 6th gen jets - NGAD, F/A-XX, FCAS, GCAP, B-21, etc?
I saw only 2 Chinese specfic threads.

For B-21 I see some listed at bottom of US section that you can populate to discuss:

United States Defence Forum

defencehub.live

Or you can create a dedicated US 5th/6th gen projects etc and I can pin anything you want.

For the rest they may have popped up in the various relevant larger AF threads, you can populate those or also feel free to start a dedicated one yourself if you want to spur some conversation on it etc.

If it's a multi-national project, maybe the general military forum is best place for it:

Military Forum

defencehub.live

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

For B-21 I see some listed at bottom of US section that you can populate to discuss:

United States Defence Forum

defencehub.live

Or you can create a dedicated US 5th/6th gen projects etc and I can pin anything you want.

For the rest they may have popped up in the various relevant larger AF threads, you can populate those or also feel free to start a dedicated one yourself if you want to spur some conversation on it etc.

If it's a multi-national project, maybe the general military forum is best place for it:

Military Forum

defencehub.live

I was going to create a generic global thread 6 months back but didn't.
For now, bcoz all these jets are in conceptual phase & unrevealed yet, except B-21, J-36, J-50 upon whom also only preliminary visual stuff available, so i'll create a generic thread for all. For the revealed ones, members of those nations might be discussing already in their respective AF threads.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

A collage of CAD of current MR-BVR-AAMs. Their edges had to be cleaned in MS-paint in PNG format for good superimposition.
Top to bottom:
PL-15
Astr Mk1
Astr Mk3 SFDR
R-77-1
Meteor
AIM-120-D AMRAAM

 

[Nilgiri]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1891451114416955416

 

[Gessler]

Rudram-3 long range ARMs
Astra Mk1 BVRAAMs
SAP-518 wingtip jammers

That's a beast of a DEAD config!

 

[Nilgiri]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1897927314387644664

 

[TR_123456]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1897927314387644664

How many do you have?

 

[Nilgiri]

How many do you have?

11....but IAF really wants at least ~6 more so we can replace Il-76 (of which we have 17 in transport role) easily in 1:1 way (with bonuses the C-17 has over Il-76) without worrying too much about life extension upgrades on Il-76 with Russia (and problems/costs regarding that).

But Boeing closed the production line after primary USAF contract was over and it looks like its expensive to restart production line again....so we likely going to work something out with Russia with the Il-76, I guess lets see.

 

[Gessler]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1897927314387644664

They said that the AN-32 was able to carry only 3-4 tonnes of equipment or men into Kargil while the C-130 J Super Hercules, which carried out its first night landing early last year, could carry only 6-7 tonnes. However, the C-17 will be able to fly in close to about 35 tonnes, which is nearly 10 times the capacity of the AN-32. While the C-17 can normally carry anywhere between 60-70 tonnes, the capacity becomes lower when it comes to Kargil because of altitude, temperature and terrain.

A C-17 landed in Kargil, shrouded in secrecy. Here's why this is significant

A C-17 landed in Kargil, shrouded in secrecy. Here's why this is significant

theprint.in

The big boy can directly deploy a Zorawar LT to Kargil. If even four flights are dedicated for the task, we can have a light tank platoon operating in Kargil on short notice.

11....but IAF really wants at least ~6 more so we can replace Il-76 (of which we have 17 in transport role) easily in 1:1 way (with bonuses the C-17 has over Il-76) without worrying too much about life extension upgrades on Il-76 with Russia (and problems/costs regarding that).

But Boeing closed the production line after primary USAF contract was over and it looks like its expensive to restart production line again....so we likely going to work something out with Russia with the Il-76, I guess lets see.

There's a rumour that we could ask for some of the airframes USAF holds in reserve. Don't know how feasible that is, though.