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[Ripley]

Ah, easy.
Yakamoz

I learned it from YouTube linguistics channels btw.

Funny thing, being raised in Istanbul, by the sea, I always thought every other culture had a word for that phenomenon.

“Yakamoz is the shimmering beautiful moonlight as it reflects on the water at night. It was voted the most beautiful word in the world and is used often in poetry for its romantic appeal.”

 

[Nilgiri]

I was going to say nasilsiniz, which I learned long ago..... even common phrases in Turkish sound cool.

Lot of words that end with z.

 

[Ripley]

I was going to say nasilsiniz, which I learned long ago..... even common phrases in Turkish sound cool.

Lot of words that end with z.

It’s due to so called vowel harmony of Turkic languages. There are technically no end to suffixes! Mind you, suffixes themselves should be harmonized as well.

In your example of “nasılsınız”, as the last vowel of the word nasıl is ı (not i), the following suffix should also contain ı, hence the suffix sınız.

Turkic language learners mostly agree that, once you get the rules, which is very systematic, once you get the hang of it, it begins to flow.

 

[Nilgiri]

It’s due to so called vowel harmony of Turkic languages. There are technically no end to suffixes! Mind you, suffixes themselves should be harmonized as well.

In your example of “nasılsınız”, as the last vowel of the word nasıl is ı (not i), the following suffix should also contain ı, hence the suffix sınız.

Turkic language learners mostly agree that, once you get the rules, which is very systematic, once you get the hang of it, it begins to flow.

Yes we have something similar in Tamil....in spoken vernacular "ease" (rather than written which does not follow this much along with its spoken register). It happens with some consonants too when speaking....all due to agglutination process and smoothing/harmony need.

There is one South India language that does have explicit vowel harmony in even the written form (Telugu)....as it is overall much more vowel based in its phonology to begin with (splitting off the family branch earlier etc).

In general agglutinative languages (the suffix addition feature you mention) often understand implicit (spoken) or explicit need (spoken + written) for vowel harmony.

In Turkish/Turkic geographical vicinity, you also have uralic (potential linguistic early brethren) like Hungarian and Finnish and mongolic/altaic like Mongolian, Korean and Japanese (also potentially Tungusic like Manchurian).

They all iirc have various vowel harmony norms as consequence of agglutination basis.

Other language families (that create more discrete brakes in morphology i.e are not readily agglutinative) are missing out on this awesomeness heh.

 

[TR_123456]

Yes we have something similar in Tamil....in spoken vernacular "ease" (rather than written which does not follow this much along with its spoken register). It happens with some consonants too when speaking....all due to agglutination process and smoothing/harmony need.

There is one South India language that does have explicit vowel harmony in even the written form (Telugu)....as it is overall much more vowel based in its phonology to begin with (splitting off the family branch earlier etc).

In general agglutinative languages (the suffix addition feature you mention) often understand implicit (spoken) or explicit need (spoken + written) for vowel harmony.

In Turkish/Turkic geographical vicinity, you also have uralic (potential linguistic early brethren) like Hungarian and Finnish and mongolic/altaic like Mongolian, Korean and Japanese (also potentially Tungusic like Manchurian).

They all iirc have various vowel harmony norms as consequence of agglutination basis.

Other language families (that create more discrete brakes in morphology i.e are not readily agglutinative) are missing out on this awesomeness heh.

Another CIA traitor,this one Canadian!!!

 

[Ripley]

Yes we have something similar in Tamil....in spoken vernacular "ease" (rather than written which does not follow this much along with its spoken register). It happens with some consonants too when speaking....all due to agglutination process and smoothing/harmony need.

There is one South India language that does have explicit vowel harmony in even the written form (Telugu)....as it is overall much more vowel based in its phonology to begin with (splitting off the family branch earlier etc).

In general agglutinative languages (the suffix addition feature you mention) often understand implicit (spoken) or explicit need (spoken + written) for vowel harmony.

In Turkish/Turkic geographical vicinity, you also have uralic (potential linguistic early brethren) like Hungarian and Finnish and mongolic/altaic like Mongolian, Korean and Japanese (also potentially Tungusic like Manchurian).

They all iirc have various vowel harmony norms as consequence of agglutination basis.

Other language families (that create more discrete brakes in morphology i.e are not readily agglutinative) are missing out on this awesomeness heh.

I, for one, can testify that Japanese language consonant vowel harmony. I took Japanese course at Yıldız University with the Japanese Cultural initiate many moons ago.

Ill give you a small example from a war movie and knowing that you’re a movie buff, you’ll right away know what movie it is!

Spitto Fayro (Japanese phonetics)
Spit fayr! (English phonetics)

 

[Ripley]

Another CIA traitor,this one Canadian!!!

You didn’t pay much attention when i said i was weaving a treacherous web all over your forum, didn’t you

 

[Nilgiri]

I, for one, can testify that Japanese language consonant vowel harmony. I took Japanese course at Yıldız University with the Japanese Cultural initiate many moons ago.

Ill give you a small example from a war movie and knowing that you’re a movie buff, you’ll right away know what movie it is!

Spitto Fayro (Japanese phonetics)
Spit fayr! (English phonetics)

Nice, Japanese is very interesting.

The kanji (writing) all comes from Chinese, but this posed a problem given the agglutination in Japanese.

Chinese is exact opposite, highly analytical given the character system it uses that "fixes" this constraint as simple inflections are impossible, forget about multi-suffix compounding etc.

That is why kana writing was quickly developed (from kanji "bits")....in order to have syllables (basically alphabet) to reflect this and you see it in katakana and hiragana (and of course latin romanji much later).

Then you have two readings (a literal chinese phonetic reading and also japanese "meaning" reading) as a consequence too (and conventions prevailing which is used for what context). On-yomi and Kun-yomi iirc.

You are going to have to tell me the movie with spitfires....maybe I haven't watched it yet.

 

[Ripley]

Nice, Japanese is very interesting.

The kanji (writing) all comes from Chinese, but this posed a problem given the agglutination in Japanese.

Chinese is exact opposite, highly analytical given the character system it uses that "fixes" this constraint as simple inflections are impossible, forget about multi-suffix compounding etc.

That is why kana writing was quickly developed (from kanji "bits")....in order to have syllables (basically alphabet) to reflect this and you see it in katakana and hiragana (and of course latin romanji much later).

Then you have two readings (a literal chinese phonetic reading and also japanese "meaning" reading) as a consequence too (and conventions prevailing which is used for what context). On-yomi and Kun-yomi iirc.

You are going to have to tell me the movie with spitfires....maybe I haven't watched it yet.

“The kanji (writing) all comes from Chinese, but this posed a problem given the agglutination in Japanese.”

It was the similar case with Ottoman Turkish actually. The Arabic alphabet with a ton of consonants were not a good match for vowel rich Turkish.


“You are going to have to tell me the movie with spitfires....maybe I haven't watched it yet.”

Don’t tell me you haven’t watched Tora! Tora! Tora! yet ‘cause I wouldn’t believe that

 

[Nilgiri]

“The kanji (writing) all comes from Chinese, but this posed a problem given the agglutination in Japanese.”

It was the similar case with Ottoman Turkish actually. The Arabic alphabet with a ton of consonants were not a good match for vowel rich Turkish.


“You are going to have to tell me the movie with spitfires....maybe I haven't watched it yet.”

Don’t tell me you haven’t watched Tora! Tora! Tora! yet ‘cause I wouldn’t believe that

I know Tora Tora Tora almost like the back of my hand. Almost sends a chill down my spine thinking of scenes from it.

Confirmation??? *THERES YOUR CONFIRMATION*

But which part had the spit fire quote? lol.

 

[Ripley]

I know Tora Tora Tora almost like the back of my hand. Almost sends a chill down my spine thinking of scenes from it.

Confirmation??? *THERES YOUR CONFIRMATION*

But which part had the spit fire quote? lol.

Remember Fuchida bringing new Zeros to Akagi? Genda was admiring the new batch of arrival while Fuchida was bragging the new variant was even better than “Spitto Fayro”!

 

[Nilgiri]

Remember Fuchida bringing new Zeros to Akagi? Genda was admiring the new batch of arrival while Fuchida was bragging the new variant was even better than “Spitto Fayro”!

You very likely have watched the movie more recently than I have heh.

Will have to look out for it next time.

 

[Ripley]

You very likely have watched the movie more recently than I have heh.

Will have to look out for it next time.

Not really. Actually, right after I took the Japanese course for a while and dropped it (shame on me), I was naturally more careful listening the Japanese parts when I rewatched it on VHS. Dude, I was amazed to hear it and that particular scene etched to my mind

 

[TR_123456]

Not really. Actually, right after I took the Japanese course for a while and dropped it (shame on me), I was naturally more careful listening the Japanese parts when I rewatched it on VHS. Dude, I was amazed to hear it and that particular scene etched to my mind

Yeah yeah sure sure,you didnt drop the course because a Japanese beauty rejected you huh?

 

[Ripley]

Yeah yeah sure sure,you didnt drop the course because a Japanese beauty rejected you huh?

whatever lived between me and Akari is now in the past.
Please don’t bring that up again

 

[Ripley]

Hər gözəlin bir qüsuru var
Every beauty has a flaw

@Iskander

For such a beauty, i’ll gladly ignore any flaws 🫠

 

[Ripley]

Varan Bir!

Well well!
He has been constantly pushing someone’s button recently. Seemingly, he pressed the right button (or wrong one, depending where you stand)

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1881400563964715009

“Our Chairman Prof. Dr. Ümit Özdağ was detained in Ankara this evening and after a health check, he set off for Istanbul to give his statement.

We invite all our citizens, their supporters and our party members to stand with our Chairman Prof. Dr. Ümit Özdağ.

We kindly request our citizens not to trust information that does not come from official channels.

In the future, necessary statements about the situation will be made through our party's official accounts.

For public information..

#ÜmitÖzdağYalnızDeğildir”

The usual cleaning and defamation campaign started already. So, We can expect an early election I guess

Varan iki!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1902017115755872452

“Istanbul University announced in its public announcement that it had decided to cancel the diplomas of 28 people, including Ekrem İmamoğlu's diploma.”

 

[Deliorman]

A shameful chapter in the history of the University and just a regular day in Turkish politics... Erdogan and his clique are so scared of Ekrem that they will do everything not to let him run for President.

 

[TR_123456]

Ya, dur Abicim bak izah edeyim. Kem küm

There arent many left like her.

 

[Saithan]

Malesef, benim anladigim kadariyla, Türkiyede Üniversite okumak artik, bos. Diplomani elinden alirlar. Bu kadar basit. Parasi olan yurt disinda okusun ve BSc eline alsin, sonra MSc. etc.