TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Turkic]

You sure?
KAAN 5th gen.
GCAP 6th gen.

Can't Kaan be developed further to 6th gen ? 6th gens feel like adding some spices to the meal, not a new meal itself. Is there anything in Kaan that can't fit into 6th gen other than vertical stabilizer ?

 

[Oublious]

You sure?
KAAN 5th gen.
GCAP 6th gen.

What is exactly 6 gen? I do not think ther will be big differences between 5 gen and 6 gen, only thing what makes it differences is ther is no tail. What will be important is Sensor like the Radar/IRST and EW.

 

[TR_123456]

Can't Kaan be developed further to 6th gen ? 6th gens feel like adding some spices to the meal, not a new meal itself. Is there anything in Kaan that can't fit into 6th gen other than vertical stabilizer ?

Explained: The 6 Generations Of Fighter Jets

There are six generally accepted generations of fighter jets, with each leap frogging the previous generation.

simpleflying.com

What is exactly 6 gen? I do not think ther will be big differences between 5 gen and 6 gen, only thing what makes it differences is ther is no tail. What will be important is Sensor like the Radar/IRST and EW.

Explained: The 6 Generations Of Fighter Jets

There are six generally accepted generations of fighter jets, with each leap frogging the previous generation.

simpleflying.com

The above site explaines it.

 

[Turkic]

Explained: The 6 Generations Of Fighter Jets

There are six generally accepted generations of fighter jets, with each leap frogging the previous generation.

simpleflying.com

Explained: The 6 Generations Of Fighter Jets

There are six generally accepted generations of fighter jets, with each leap frogging the previous generation.

simpleflying.com

The above site explaines it.

Yeah but, I'm asking because I know you know better than me; which part is out of Kaan's potential ? Laser weapons ? Even are these laser weapons will be used ? Who tested them at that speeds yet ?

 

[boredaf]

Explained: The 6 Generations Of Fighter Jets

There are six generally accepted generations of fighter jets, with each leap frogging the previous generation.

simpleflying.com

Explained: The 6 Generations Of Fighter Jets

There are six generally accepted generations of fighter jets, with each leap frogging the previous generation.

simpleflying.com

The above site explaines it.

I won't believe in claims about "laser weapons" until they are actually shown, because nobody has been able to explain how to overcome the problems with power and heat generation, not breaking stealth geometry with the implementation of the weapon and how to make it borderline omnidirectional to be able to actually protect the plane from incoming missiles from different angles.

On ships or bases, I think there is a lot of potential, perhaps even as short range defence of tanks; but I think lasers on stealth planes will go down the route of railguns on ships.

 

[TheInsider]

Neither KAAN nor GCAP is a 6th-gen fighter. GCAP will be 5.5th gen(which means it will incorporate some 6th gen technologies in a 5th gen body) when it comes out. KAAN will also continue its development cycle to reach 5.5th gen capabilities.

 

[No Name]

Neither KAAN nor GCAP is a 6th-gen fighter. GCAP will be 5.5th gen(which means it will incorporate some 6th gen technologies in a 5th gen body) when it comes out. KAAN will also continue its development cycle to reach 5.5th gen capabilities.

What makes a six-gen fighter to you? I'm asking because everyone answers something different.

 

[boredaf]

Here is my non-specialist theory. Redirect the laser beam inside vacuum tubes to different locations of the aircraft. Thus the laser could be placed inside the aircraft.

But you would still need the lenses around the planes, and you would want them to have at least some mobility to be able to track their targets, wouldn't you? Because we are talking about a plane that is going, let's say 1.4 mach while being chased by an a2a missile going mach 3 or 4 and destroying the missile before the plane is in the no escape zone should be the goal. And that zone could be tens of km for some of the advanced a2a missiles iirc.

 

[Saithan]

I think everyone must be aware of th lack of clarification on engines both KAAN and Hürjet is not because the deal itself, but because we are broke and can't afford to make the deals, plus we have no leverage whatsoever. So the government is unable to get out of this spiral, and just play along until they're toppled, then it becomes someone else problem. Whether 4,5 gen or 5, 6 gen is completely irrelevant.

We're talking about a lot of things here, but we're not seeing much progress on the jets.

 

[MADDOG]

Now the mains and the nose landing gear look much nicer

 

[Khagan1923]

Now the mains and the nose landing gear look much nicer


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P1 soon, I Hope?

 

[2033]

I think everyone must be aware of th lack of clarification on engines both KAAN and Hürjet is not because the deal itself, but because we are broke and can't afford to make the deals, plus we have no leverage whatsoever. So the government is unable to get out of this spiral, and just play along until they're toppled, then it becomes someone else problem. Whether 4,5 gen or 5, 6 gen is completely irrelevant.

We're talking about a lot of things here, but we're not seeing much progress on the jets.

Tf6000 is critical. I guess we can't see any announcements about the Kaan engine because there is not enough progress on the tf6000

 

[MADDOG]

P1 soon, I Hope?

Soon

 

[Holikarbon]

Soon

How soon?

Will it take 6 months to see p1?

 

[Lool]

I think everyone must be aware of th lack of clarification on engines both KAAN and Hürjet is not because the deal itself, but because we are broke and can't afford to make the deals, plus we have no leverage whatsoever. So the government is unable to get out of this spiral, and just play along until they're toppled, then it becomes someone else problem. Whether 4,5 gen or 5, 6 gen is completely irrelevant.

We're talking about a lot of things here, but we're not seeing much progress on the jets.

Not really
The govt has the money to acquire such engines since it is a matter of national security. I suggest you stop reading those rumors posted by anti-Turkey websites or those who portray to be anti-govt. The problem the turkish govt is facing is the lobbying groups against Turkey in the US. In fact, Turkey was close to sign a 20 billion dollar deal with the US regarding the F16s but reportedly postponed it to see if they would rather spend it on F35s if Turkey got removed from CAATSA sanctions

Now that KAAN is a reality, many lobby groups in the US (particularly greek and jewish ones) are pressuring the US govt to prevent any sort of engine sale especially if it includes any sort of domestic prodiction under licencse. The aim is to ensure the Israeli and Hellenic army have a qualitative edge in terms of airpower

The Greeks and Israelis are already raising alarms about Turkey's missile capabilities and the fact that Turkish softwares are installed on F16s that makes it difficult for the US to embargo the Turks and control them. Now they are trying to delay the KAAN project as much as possible until they see what they can do to either sabotage it or completely destroy it

 

[duveil]

Not really
The govt has the money to acquire such engines since it is a matter of national security. I suggest you stop reading those rumors posted by anti-Turkey websites or those who portray to be anti-govt. The problem the turkish govt is facing is the lobbying groups against Turkey in the US. In fact, Turkey was close to sign a 20 billion dollar deal with the US regarding the F16s but reportedly postponed it to see if they would rather spend it on F35s if Turkey got removed from CAATSA sanctions

Now that KAAN is a reality, many lobby groups in the US (particularly greek and jewish ones) are pressuring the US govt to prevent any sort of engine sale especially if it includes any sort of domestic prodiction under licencse. The aim is to ensure the Israeli and Hellenic army have a qualitative edge in terms of airpower

The Greeks and Israelis are already raising alarms about Turkey's missile capabilities and the fact that Turkish softwares are installed on F16s that makes it difficult for the US to embargo the Turks and control them. Now they are trying to delay the KAAN project as much as possible until they see what they can do to either sabotage it or completely destroy it

Our budget is open to world. You can check our account deficit and export projections. What makes you say that we have money？

 

[Lool]

Our budget is open to world. You can check our account deficit and export projections. What makes you say that we have money？

I believe it was discussed before in this forum or another thread but the figure projected in the yearly budget is the amount of money need by the TAF to keep operating the current army and not what the army intends to produce, research, or buy from abroad in the near future

The TAF's true budget is top secret as well as an issue of national securtity so dont expect the govt to easily announce it to the masses since it will give an idea to your enemies about the maximum operational capacity of the nation's army

Honestly, a 20-40 billion dollar yearly budget isnt enough to develop what Turkey has developed within the last decade from EW systems, AD systems, Submarines, Satellites, wide range of missiles, different Softwares, drones, Armoured vehicles, helicopters, KAAN and Hurjet etc.....

Btw Turkey isnt the only nation doing such practices; nations like Egypt, Iran, and Russia also have a hidden separate budget for their own armed forces.

 

[duveil]

Turkey's military budget for this year is reported to be around $47 billion, representing slightly over 2% of the country's GDP. While specific allocations for major projects might not be publicly detailed, we know that tax revenue is a primary source of government funding. Assuming no significant alternative revenue streams, the overall budget size sets a financial framework. Considering this budget, the progress observed in projects like HÜRJET and KAAN appears to align with the available resources.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Turkey's military budget for this year is reported to be around $47 billion, representing slightly over 2% of the country's GDP. While specific allocations for major projects might not be publicly detailed, we know that tax revenue is a primary source of government funding. Assuming no significant alternative revenue streams, the overall budget size sets a financial framework. Considering this budget, the progress observed in projects like HÜRJET and KAAN appears to align with the available resources.

Security budget not military budget as police and jandarma are included but still relatively high and not all spending is included

 

[Sanchez]

the figure projected in the yearly budget is the amount of money need by the TAF to keep operating the current army and not what the army intends to produce, research, or buy from abroad in the near future

Not true at all. Procurement budget is of course part of the yearly budget. About 43% of the 2024 budget was used to buy equipment and services of all kinds. There is also the separate defence industry support fund, in 2024 this was 165 billion liras or about 4 billion dollars. Which is less than 10% of the security budget.

Honestly, a 20-40 billion dollar yearly budget isnt enough to develop what Turkey has developed within the last decade from EW systems, AD systems, Submarines, Satellites, wide range of missiles, different Softwares, drones, Armoured vehicles, helicopters, KAAN and Hurjet etc.....

Yes, indeed it isn't. That's why nearly every procurement and development program(for the last 40 years actually) is overtime and underfunded. For a country like this with plans and threats like this, defence(not security budget) budget should be 45-60 billion. We don't have that kind of money. All of our savings for the last 2 years just went poof last month.