TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[boredaf]

Here is my non-specialist theory. Redirect the laser beam inside vacuum tubes to different locations of the aircraft. Thus the laser could be placed inside the aircraft.

But you would still need the lenses around the planes, and you would want them to have at least some mobility to be able to track their targets, wouldn't you? Because we are talking about a plane that is going, let's say 1.4 mach while being chased by an a2a missile going mach 3 or 4 and destroying the missile before the plane is in the no escape zone should be the goal. And that zone could be tens of km for some of the advanced a2a missiles iirc.

 

[Strong AI]

But you would still need the lenses around the planes, and you would want them to have at least some mobility to be able to track their targets, wouldn't you? Because we are talking about a plane that is going, let's say 1.4 mach while being chased by an a2a missile going mach 3 or 4 and destroying the missile before the plane is in the no escape zone should be the goal. And that zone could be tens of km for some of the advanced a2a missiles iirc.

I mean yes, it would be a very complex system which needs serious power and cooling. But IMO in theory it should be doable. But then the question is if its worth it? I would say if you want it, you have to downscale other systems like the radar and EW suite. I would choose a better radar and EW suite over a laser.

 

[Saithan]

I think everyone must be aware of th lack of clarification on engines both KAAN and Hürjet is not because the deal itself, but because we are broke and can't afford to make the deals, plus we have no leverage whatsoever. So the government is unable to get out of this spiral, and just play along until they're toppled, then it becomes someone else problem. Whether 4,5 gen or 5, 6 gen is completely irrelevant.

We're talking about a lot of things here, but we're not seeing much progress on the jets.

 

[MADDOG]

Now the mains and the nose landing gear look much nicer

 

[Khagan1923]

Now the mains and the nose landing gear look much nicer


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P1 soon, I Hope?

 

[2033]

I think everyone must be aware of th lack of clarification on engines both KAAN and Hürjet is not because the deal itself, but because we are broke and can't afford to make the deals, plus we have no leverage whatsoever. So the government is unable to get out of this spiral, and just play along until they're toppled, then it becomes someone else problem. Whether 4,5 gen or 5, 6 gen is completely irrelevant.

We're talking about a lot of things here, but we're not seeing much progress on the jets.

Tf6000 is critical. I guess we can't see any announcements about the Kaan engine because there is not enough progress on the tf6000

 

[MADDOG]

P1 soon, I Hope?

Soon

 

[Holikarbon]

Soon

How soon?

Will it take 6 months to see p1?

 

[Lool]

I think everyone must be aware of th lack of clarification on engines both KAAN and Hürjet is not because the deal itself, but because we are broke and can't afford to make the deals, plus we have no leverage whatsoever. So the government is unable to get out of this spiral, and just play along until they're toppled, then it becomes someone else problem. Whether 4,5 gen or 5, 6 gen is completely irrelevant.

We're talking about a lot of things here, but we're not seeing much progress on the jets.

Not really
The govt has the money to acquire such engines since it is a matter of national security. I suggest you stop reading those rumors posted by anti-Turkey websites or those who portray to be anti-govt. The problem the turkish govt is facing is the lobbying groups against Turkey in the US. In fact, Turkey was close to sign a 20 billion dollar deal with the US regarding the F16s but reportedly postponed it to see if they would rather spend it on F35s if Turkey got removed from CAATSA sanctions

Now that KAAN is a reality, many lobby groups in the US (particularly greek and jewish ones) are pressuring the US govt to prevent any sort of engine sale especially if it includes any sort of domestic prodiction under licencse. The aim is to ensure the Israeli and Hellenic army have a qualitative edge in terms of airpower

The Greeks and Israelis are already raising alarms about Turkey's missile capabilities and the fact that Turkish softwares are installed on F16s that makes it difficult for the US to embargo the Turks and control them. Now they are trying to delay the KAAN project as much as possible until they see what they can do to either sabotage it or completely destroy it

 

[duveil]

Not really
The govt has the money to acquire such engines since it is a matter of national security. I suggest you stop reading those rumors posted by anti-Turkey websites or those who portray to be anti-govt. The problem the turkish govt is facing is the lobbying groups against Turkey in the US. In fact, Turkey was close to sign a 20 billion dollar deal with the US regarding the F16s but reportedly postponed it to see if they would rather spend it on F35s if Turkey got removed from CAATSA sanctions

Now that KAAN is a reality, many lobby groups in the US (particularly greek and jewish ones) are pressuring the US govt to prevent any sort of engine sale especially if it includes any sort of domestic prodiction under licencse. The aim is to ensure the Israeli and Hellenic army have a qualitative edge in terms of airpower

The Greeks and Israelis are already raising alarms about Turkey's missile capabilities and the fact that Turkish softwares are installed on F16s that makes it difficult for the US to embargo the Turks and control them. Now they are trying to delay the KAAN project as much as possible until they see what they can do to either sabotage it or completely destroy it

Our budget is open to world. You can check our account deficit and export projections. What makes you say that we have money？

 

[Lool]

Our budget is open to world. You can check our account deficit and export projections. What makes you say that we have money？

I believe it was discussed before in this forum or another thread but the figure projected in the yearly budget is the amount of money need by the TAF to keep operating the current army and not what the army intends to produce, research, or buy from abroad in the near future

The TAF's true budget is top secret as well as an issue of national securtity so dont expect the govt to easily announce it to the masses since it will give an idea to your enemies about the maximum operational capacity of the nation's army

Honestly, a 20-40 billion dollar yearly budget isnt enough to develop what Turkey has developed within the last decade from EW systems, AD systems, Submarines, Satellites, wide range of missiles, different Softwares, drones, Armoured vehicles, helicopters, KAAN and Hurjet etc.....

Btw Turkey isnt the only nation doing such practices; nations like Egypt, Iran, and Russia also have a hidden separate budget for their own armed forces.

 

[duveil]

Turkey's military budget for this year is reported to be around $47 billion, representing slightly over 2% of the country's GDP. While specific allocations for major projects might not be publicly detailed, we know that tax revenue is a primary source of government funding. Assuming no significant alternative revenue streams, the overall budget size sets a financial framework. Considering this budget, the progress observed in projects like HÜRJET and KAAN appears to align with the available resources.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Turkey's military budget for this year is reported to be around $47 billion, representing slightly over 2% of the country's GDP. While specific allocations for major projects might not be publicly detailed, we know that tax revenue is a primary source of government funding. Assuming no significant alternative revenue streams, the overall budget size sets a financial framework. Considering this budget, the progress observed in projects like HÜRJET and KAAN appears to align with the available resources.

Security budget not military budget as police and jandarma are included but still relatively high and not all spending is included

 

[Sanchez]

the figure projected in the yearly budget is the amount of money need by the TAF to keep operating the current army and not what the army intends to produce, research, or buy from abroad in the near future

Not true at all. Procurement budget is of course part of the yearly budget. About 43% of the 2024 budget was used to buy equipment and services of all kinds. There is also the separate defence industry support fund, in 2024 this was 165 billion liras or about 4 billion dollars. Which is less than 10% of the security budget.

Honestly, a 20-40 billion dollar yearly budget isnt enough to develop what Turkey has developed within the last decade from EW systems, AD systems, Submarines, Satellites, wide range of missiles, different Softwares, drones, Armoured vehicles, helicopters, KAAN and Hurjet etc.....

Yes, indeed it isn't. That's why nearly every procurement and development program(for the last 40 years actually) is overtime and underfunded. For a country like this with plans and threats like this, defence(not security budget) budget should be 45-60 billion. We don't have that kind of money. All of our savings for the last 2 years just went poof last month.

 

[Lool]

We don't have that kind of money. All of our savings for the last 2 years just went poof last month.

bro (if you meant by savings the reserves accumulated), you do realise that Turkey was in the negative for 2 whole years in terms of reserves during 2023 and 2024? Yet, the TAF was operating just fine and was even producing, procuring, and researching
I wonder from where they magically got the money?

As I said before, one of the admins (2-3 years ago) in this forum did post before that the actual defence budget of the TAF isnt clearly disclosed to the public in detail but I forgot on which thread it was posted on

 

[Sanchez]

you do realise that Turkey was in the negative for 2 whole years in terms of reserves during 2023 and 2024? Yet, the TAF was operating just fine and was even producing, procuring, and researching
I wonder from where they magically got the money?

US is in the red 3/1 to its budget for the last 20 years, that's not how finance works. Army is a government institution, it continues working just like any other continued to work. Central Bank being in the red doesn't mean we ran out of money. 89% of the budget comes from taxes, we work our asses off so the glorious leader can spend it away on bullshit like imprisoning his opponents.

This is one of the reasons Kaan development and procurement will also hit a brick wall once program actually starts needing money infusion in the form of actual orders.

 

[boredaf]

89% of the budget comes from taxes

And lest we overlook, this doesn't have to be like that, at all. It is just the result of another short sighted policy decision they made early on, by privatising everything that actually made the government money.