TR Defence Exports & Updates

[Pokemonte13]

Hava Soj?

Is electronic warfare not early warning and control it’s mission profile is to locate and suppress enemy radars

 

[Umigami]

That's interesting to say the least. I'm sure there's a Czech company out there to supply the radar. This would be a very interesting program, we haven't heard anything about it. Surely not a joint project, as we have no radars for an airborne platform for now and and there's no way they choose to start such a big project with foreign radars for TurAF. So Havelsan is expected to be a contractor or a subcontractor for an Indonesian AWACS program.

Let's see.

Czech, eh?
Expect rebrand Elta radar then

 

[Sanchez]

Czech, eh?
Expect rebrand Elta radar then

Isn't that basically what happened with Trisula? I didn't want to say it outright but what do you expect. Aselsan being lacking in that claim, Havelsan lacks the capability to design and build its own radars by itself. Someone has to supply it. Maybe wait 5-10 years

 

[Oublious]

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There is strong indication that Indonesia will buy AEW&C aircraft from Havelsan. Does Turkiye have locally made AEW&C radar like MESA?
If not where Havelsan would get that?

I have read the translation but could not see thing like that, what i understand is Indonesia will join projects and working more together.

 

[Umigami]

I have read the translation but could not see thing like that, what i understand is Indonesia will join projects and working more together.

News from Indonesian source.

Havelsan Tawarkan Kerjasama Pengembangan Full Flight Simulator dan Pesawat AEW&C dengan PT DI

28 Agustus 2024 Havelsan siap bekerjasama dalam pengembangan full flight simulator (photo: PT DI) Direktur Utama PTDI, Gita Amperiawan didam...

defense-studies.blogspot.com

And that facebook link is quiet reputable "leaker"

 

[Fuzuli NL]

News from Indonesian source.

Havelsan Tawarkan Kerjasama Pengembangan Full Flight Simulator dan Pesawat AEW&C dengan PT DI

28 Agustus 2024 Havelsan siap bekerjasama dalam pengembangan full flight simulator (photo: PT DI) Direktur Utama PTDI, Gita Amperiawan didam...

defense-studies.blogspot.com

And that facebook link is quiet reputable "leaker"

DEFENSE STUDIES ​

FOCUS ON DEFENSE CAPABILITY DEVELOPMENT IN SOUTHEAST ASIA AND OCEANIA

August 28, 2024​

Havelsan Offers Cooperation in Development of Full Flight Simulator and AEW&C Aircraft with PT DI​

August 28, 2024


Havelsan ready to cooperate in developing full flight simulator (photo: PT DI)

President Director of PTDI, Gita Amperiawan accompanied by the Board of Directors and Management received a visit from Havelsan , a Turkish defense technology company, at PTDI's facility in Bandung. This visit is part of a follow-up to the previously agreed cooperation between the two companies, which focuses on the development of a Full Flight Simulator, as well as the readiness of both parties in fulfilling Indonesia's needs for Airborne Warning & Control System (AWACS) aircraft.
On this occasion, Havelsan CEO, Mehmet Akif Nacar and his delegation were introduced to several of PTDI's leading simulator products, including the N219 Cockpit Demonstrator and the N219 Engineering Full Flight Simulator. These two products represent PTDI's capabilities in developing advanced flight simulation technology, which is also an important basis for ongoing cooperation with Havelsan.
In an interview with Havelsan CEO Mehmet Akif Nacar, he expressed strong confidence in PTDI’s capabilities in developing flight simulations, especially for the Full Flight Simulator program. According to him, PTDI has a strong foundation thanks to its experience in developing the CN235-220 aircraft and training simulations, as well as engineering. “This provides a solid basis for the joint development of a full mission simulator using the data package provided by PTDI,” said Mehmet Akif Nacar.

Havelsan has experience in developing AEW&C aircraft (photo: Havelsan)
Mehmet Akif Nacar also revealed plans to expand cooperation with PTDI by developing the Indonesian AWACS project. Havelsan plans to leverage their know-how and experience in the AWACS program and combine it with the needs of the Indonesian Government to create a more robust AWACS system. “This will involve the formation of a collaboration team or joint program, where PTDI will act as the main contractor in Indonesia,” explained Mehmet Akif Nacar.



Havelsan's scope of work in the development of the Peace Eagle AEW&C aircraft program (infographic: Havelsan)
Havelsan CEO’s visit to PTDI marks an important first step in realizing this plan and demonstrates the commitment of both companies to jointly develop advanced defense technologies that will provide significant benefits to Indonesia’s aviation and defense industries.

 

[Oublious]

News from Indonesian source.

Havelsan Tawarkan Kerjasama Pengembangan Full Flight Simulator dan Pesawat AEW&C dengan PT DI

28 Agustus 2024 Havelsan siap bekerjasama dalam pengembangan full flight simulator (photo: PT DI) Direktur Utama PTDI, Gita Amperiawan didam...

defense-studies.blogspot.com

And that facebook link is quiet reputable "leaker"

Mostlikely they are going to make flight simulator, Havelsan part off E7 Wedgetail was software intregation and upgrade. The last time they did Upgrade the Turkish E7 software.

 

[Sanchez]

I think this was expected. Nothing for now, but we'll see some contracts being dished out for Syrian needs. How the times change. Syria to possibly buy up to 400 Vuran APCs, obviously with a pretty favorable credit line.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1927030978981102077

 

[Pokemonte13]

I mean I would expect that turkey would give them older Cobra 1 and older Kirpis not brand new and expensive vurans

 

[TR_123456]

I mean I would expect that turkey would give them older Cobra 1 and older Kirpis not brand new and expensive vurans

They are not a gift,they will be paid for eventually.

 

[Pokemonte13]

They are not a gift,they will be paid for eventually.

I know that’s why it would make sense for them to get already used Kirpis and cobras as they would be the cheapest option for them

 

[TR_123456]

I know that’s why it would make sense for them to get already used Kirpis and cobras as they would be the cheapest option for them

They are investing in the future,Syria will be rich enough to pay for it in a couple of years.

 

[Pete Mitchell Maverick]

Qatar is a 49% partner of BMC. There may be a possibility that they will pay for the vehicles. Syria does not currently have the economic power to buy 400 Vurans, so I think Qatar will pay if the news is true.

 

[begturan]

I mean I would expect that turkey would give them older Cobra 1 and older Kirpis not brand new and expensive vurans

We are already sending these vehicles to Ukraine, and we may soon transfer large quantities of these old vehicles to Syria, maybe Libia.

 

[Zafer]

If the product has a high degree of local input it is better to provide the latest models that can be used effectively. Once made available Syria has the resources to pay for the goods.

 

[Sanchez]

EU's new 150bn defence fund SAFE is now online. Turkish companies as I understand it will still require EU partners, but this will open the door to Turkish companies to get contracts with direct EU funding of low interest loans, both for EU and for Ukrainian needs.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1927320409826865523

"The eligible activities financed through SAFE will relate to the first list of priority areas identified by the European Council on 6 March 2025 and will be divided into two categories of defence products:

1) ammunition and missiles; artillery systems, including deep precision strike capabilities; ground combat capabilities and their support systems, including soldier equipment and infantry weapons; critical infrastructure protection; cyber; military mobility including counter-mobility;

2) air and missile defence systems; maritime surface and underwater capabilities; drones and anti-drone systems; strategic enablers, such as, but not limited to, strategic airlift, air-to-air refuelling and C4ISTAR systems as well as space assets and services; space assets protection; artificial intelligence and electronic warfare.

Defence products belonging to category 2 will be subject to stricter eligibility conditions, requiring for the contractors to have the ability to decide on the definition, adaptation and evolution of the design of the defence product procured.

For both categories of the products, procurement contracts will have to ensure that the cost of the components originating outside the EU, EEA-EFTA states and Ukraine is not higher than 35 % of the estimated cost of the components of the end-product...."

Most of our largest firms are eligible for the funds per what they build.

 

[Zafer]

EU's new 150bn defence fund SAFE is now online. Turkish companies as I understand it will still require EU partners, but this will open the door to Turkish companies to get contracts with direct EU funding of low interest loans, both for EU and for Ukrainian needs.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1927320409826865523

"The eligible activities financed through SAFE will relate to the first list of priority areas identified by the European Council on 6 March 2025 and will be divided into two categories of defence products:

1) ammunition and missiles; artillery systems, including deep precision strike capabilities; ground combat capabilities and their support systems, including soldier equipment and infantry weapons; critical infrastructure protection; cyber; military mobility including counter-mobility;

2) air and missile defence systems; maritime surface and underwater capabilities; drones and anti-drone systems; strategic enablers, such as, but not limited to, strategic airlift, air-to-air refuelling and C4ISTAR systems as well as space assets and services; space assets protection; artificial intelligence and electronic warfare.

Defence products belonging to category 2 will be subject to stricter eligibility conditions, requiring for the contractors to have the ability to decide on the definition, adaptation and evolution of the design of the defence product procured.

For both categories of the products, procurement contracts will have to ensure that the cost of the components originating outside the EU, EEA-EFTA states and Ukraine is not higher than 35 % of the estimated cost of the components of the end-product...."

Most of our largest firms are eligible for the funds per what they build.

You have a TB2 with 93-98% Turkish input but you can only sell 35% of it under SAFE and the remaining costs will be paid by other means.

 

[Sanchez]

You have a TB2 with 93-98% Turkish input

I really don't think TB2 is <90% Turkish, but yes. It's unclear if Turkey (still) being a candidate country puts us in a better spot than say Korea and whether we should sign a defence treaty with EU.

 

[Yasar_TR]

I really don't think TB2 is <90% Turkish, but yes. It's unclear if Turkey (still) being a candidate country puts us in a better spot than say Korea and whether we should sign a defence treaty with EU.

Do we really need EU to help us militarily when we are already a NATO member?

But it seems that EU needs Türkiye militarily more than Türkiye needs EU.

So as our saying goes: If you enter a Hamam (Turkish Bath) you will sweat.
If EU needs us then they have to treat us with member privileges. At least for the military side of things.

Otherwise they can stick their EU military alliance……

This should be the stance we take. But it is a fact that such an alliance will benefit us financially and in a roundabout way, militarily too. Especially when it comes to forming a united front against third parties in the absence of US.

 

[Sanchez]

Do we really need EU to help us militarily when we are already a NATO member?

Turkey, not being a member of EU, EEA, EFTA or Ukraine, is not eligible for SAFE funds. This just opens the avenue for low interest loans that will be paid by EU to be funneled to purchase of Turkish weapons and systems by these countries. Many EU countries already opted for Turkish products before this was signed as well, SAFE just makes it easier for them to finance any deals. That's why I posted it in the export thread.