TR UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

[mTT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1933061853879398807

 

[Strong AI]

"In a first of its kind demonstration, Boeing [NYSE: BA] and the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) have successfully conducted a mission against an airborne target using two in-flight MQ-28 Ghost Bat aircraft and a third digital aircraft, all controlled from an airborne E-7A Wedgetail."

Boeing, RAAF Demonstrate MQ-28 Teaming with E-7A Wedgetail

- Two uncrewed MQ-28 aircraft controlled by single operator onboard an E-7A Wedgetail - Successful trial validates key interoperability requirement to meet operational capability WOOMERA, South...

boeing.mediaroom.com

This is the reason why i still think that it will be enough to have KIZILELMA and ANKA-3 on MUGEM, if we can manage to put an AWACS drone on MUGEM too. Although MUGEM will be accompanied by TF2000, its radar would be maybe not enough.
All turkish BVR missiles will have Datalink capability, so all you have to do is to bring your UCAVs in position to shoot and then turn them back to your AD coverage by TF2000. The fired missiles will be guided by Datalink after all.

Like i said before, we should develop a carrier-capable AWACS drone.

 

[Saithan]

"In a first of its kind demonstration, Boeing [NYSE: BA] and the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) have successfully conducted a mission against an airborne target using two in-flight MQ-28 Ghost Bat aircraft and a third digital aircraft, all controlled from an airborne E-7A Wedgetail."

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Boeing, RAAF Demonstrate MQ-28 Teaming with E-7A Wedgetail

- Two uncrewed MQ-28 aircraft controlled by single operator onboard an E-7A Wedgetail - Successful trial validates key interoperability requirement to meet operational capability WOOMERA, South...

boeing.mediaroom.com

Like i said before, we should develop a carrier-capable AWACS drone.

What they did was establishing an airborne command center that controls the UAV. IMO we should have been able to do the same, but we have problems acquiring suitable platforms. Considering how our government and TSK has failed to procure, and are always halting and delaying the processes.

 

[Strong AI]

What they did was establishing an airborne command center that controls the UAV. IMO we should have been able to do the same, but we have problems acquiring suitable platforms. Considering how our government and TSK has failed to procure, and are always halting and delaying the processes.

Yes but those drones probably used the AWACS's radar. Putting AESA radar in our UCAVs won't be enough.
We can control them with Hürjet (MUM-T).

And what platform would you want to acquire? We already have the same AWACS. No?

 

[Zafer]

Total exported number of Anka and Aksungur UAV reached 75 says SSB Chief

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Total exported number of Anka and Aksungur UAV reached 75 says SSB Chief

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Only the numbers sold outside ? or includes Turkish armed forces ?

 

[Zafer]

Only the numbers sold outside ? or includes Turkish armed forces ?

It is exports, I changed the image caption.

TUSAŞ'tan 15 ülkeye ürün ve hizmet ihracatı

Cumhurbaşkanlığı Savunma Sanayii Başkanı Haluk Görgün, "5 adet HÜRKUŞ temel eğitim uçağı, 12 adet ATAK taarruz helikopteri, 75 adet ANKA ve AKSUNGUR insansız hava aracımız dost ve müttefik ülkelere teslim edilmiştir." dedi. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[mTT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1937450526603641254

 

[Strong AI]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1937450526603641254

I wonder during which segment of approach/landing the AI gets used (only on final?). It looks like only image recognition, so how does bad weather affect it?
Automatic carrier landing was already possible decades ago without AI.

https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/1965/july/all-weather-carrier-landing-system

 

[IC3M@N FX]

I wonder during which segment of approach/landing the AI gets used (only on final?). It looks like only image recognition, so how does bad weather affect it?
Automatic carrier landing was already possible decades ago without AI.

https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/1965/july/all-weather-carrier-landing-system

How else would it work? The image sensors compare the pre-stored image parameters, and internally, the GPS and INS systems are probably recalibrated relative to the position of the ship and the drone for validation.

Image from the ship = true
GPS signal from the ship, i.e. position = true
Handshake for automatic landing = true

The automatic landing system works like a tractor beam (as in Star Trek; unfortunately, I don't have a better comparison to describe it).
A handshake takes place between the drone and the ship's antenna, i.e., the sensor. The drone and the ship's antenna + sensor system then control the drone and adjust its speed and angle of ascent during landing.
It works the same way in bad weather condition or at night: as soon as the drone has located the ship using night vision and GPS, the automatic landing system in the ship takes over the rest via the handshake.

The image itself, including the base plane in the ship, therefore serves only as a reference; the guide beam from the ship together with the drone does the rest.

 

[Strong AI]

How else would it work? The image sensors compare the pre-stored image parameters, and internally, the GPS and INS systems are probably recalibrated relative to the position of the ship and the drone for validation.

Image from the ship = true
GPS signal from the ship, i.e. position = true
Handshake for automatic landing = true

The automatic landing system works like a tractor beam (as in Star Trek; unfortunately, I don't have a better comparison to describe it).
A handshake takes place between the drone and the ship's antenna, i.e., the sensor. The drone and the ship's antenna + sensor system then control the drone and adjust its speed and angle of ascent during landing.
It works the same way in bad weather condition or at night: as soon as the drone has located the ship using night vision and GPS, the automatic landing system in the ship takes over the rest via the handshake.

Night vision is affected by bad weather too. And how would thermal vision work without heating the significant part of the deck, or else the whole deck would look like the same?
Also i am only talking about the AI part, the other part is already in the link i have provided.

 

[Anmdt]

I wonder during which segment of approach/landing the AI gets used (only on final?). It looks like only image recognition, so how does bad weather affect it?
Automatic carrier landing was already possible decades ago without AI.

https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/1965/july/all-weather-carrier-landing-system

They are using COTS, OpenCV, YOLO.. definitely not military grade, nor "reliable". Even the interface is off the shelf.

• Possibly not using the TACAN on the ship, but LOS for retrieving ships heading, speed, position,
• Definitely not using the Precision Approach Radar on the ship,
• Using ML onboard (UAV) for lateral corrections,
• Using ML onboard (UAV) for vertical corrections,
• Last two information is somehow correlated on the UAV for estimation of the range, also the runway helps for this.

Man, i don't know.

 

[TheInsider]

UAVs that use military grade components crashes more frequently than TB-2 per flight hours. There is no doubt that there is a secret sauce.
The finished product will use precision approach radar(OKIS), TACAN, and ILS on top of AI based landing system. Baykar is optimizing its AI system to land aircraft without those inputs. Baykar will market TB3 as the only UAV that needs no landing help to land on short runway ships.

Instrument landing system - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Tactical air navigation system - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

https://www.meteksan.com/files/urunler_pdf/okis_en.pdf

 

[uçuyorum]

They are using COTS, OpenCV, YOLO.. definitely not military grade, nor "reliable". Even the interface is off the shelf.

• Possibly not using the TACAN on the ship, but LOS for retrieving ships heading, speed, position,
• Definitely not using the Precision Approach Radar on the ship,
• Using ML onboard (UAV) for lateral corrections,
• Using ML onboard (UAV) for vertical corrections,
• Last two information is somehow correlated on the UAV for estimation of the range, also the runway helps for this.

Man, i don't know.

Man if they do that just yolo and opencv that would be funny. You can calculate distance from image with few assumptions, but making it precise is difficult. If you have altitude and you know size of a reference object you could calculate distance

 

[Yasar_TR]

When the tests are carried out whereby TB3 lands automatically on to a wobbly TCG Anadolu with some side winds, then we will be more confident about safe landing.

All 115+ tests have been carried out on a ship that is really steady.

One need to consider the fact that even a 100thousand ton US carrier has to abandon take off and landing under certain harsh weather conditions. Yet ships with shorter runways that employ F35Bs have more leeway in that respect. Their window of operation capability under severe weather conditions is much wider due to vertical landing option..

A squadron of F35Bs on the TCG Anadolu will be a priceless addition if we could have them. It may even be the reason to abandon MUGEM and build a second LHD.

As the saying goes :
” Where there are no sheep, the next best thing is a goat”

Having said that, use of the LHD as a UAV carrier too is a novel idea if we can make it work in adverse weather conditions too. (To a tolerable extent)

 

[Zafer]

TB3 will probably do adverse weather test sorties on TCG Anadolu after every other test is done as it will be the riskiest. Also full payload and adverse weather means the riskiest. I think TB3 should handle sea state 4 already and be looking at sea state 5.

 

[Anmdt]

TB3 will probably do adverse weather test sorties on TCG Anadolu after every other test is done as it will be the riskiest. Also full payload and adverse weather means the riskiest. I think TB3 should handle sea state 4 already and be looking at sea state 5.

They haven't tested above sea state 2, yet, the ship has little to no motion until sea state 4.

 

[Anmdt]

Man if they do that just yolo and opencv that would be funny. You can calculate distance from image with few assumptions, but making it precise is difficult. If you have altitude and you know size of a reference object you could calculate distance

Well, it is not me but they have displayed screens and it highly resembles open source libraries. They must have figured distance through image processing at the final approach by analysis of the runway.

They don't seem to integrate PAR, at all. You won't need any image processing with PAR.

 

[Zafer]

They haven't tested above sea state 2, yet, the ship has little to no motion until sea state 4.

I see sea state 3 at least at later sorties; breaking waves with white foam is no less then state 3. A state 5 sorti should be achievable without much risk. I wonder how much weather the ship will risk sailing but the TB3 can not fly. Like if the ship can sail at sea state 6 but TB3 can fly at SS 4 max then it is 2 SS difference. But if TB3 can fly at SS 5 then it is just one SS difference. I wonder if they will test the plane to see how much weather it can take at the cost of causing some accidents. They do it in aviation and fly planes until they break. I think I have sailed at SS 6 and maybe even touched SS 7 in my cargo ship days.

 

[mTT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1937787776608428518