TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Pokemonte13]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1970072315779280904

maybe a couple for us as well. Depending on the price

 

[Cenkcnk]

We keep making agreements with USA and EU but we never receive any s*it while GR has +60 AESA fighters

 

[Numberone]

We keep making agreements with USA and EU but we never receive any s*it while GR has +60 AESA fighters

Hard reality

 

[BalkanTurk90]

We keep making agreements with USA and EU but we never receive any s*it while GR has +60 AESA fighters

İts not others foult , we have since 2012 with ÖZGÜR project and nothing until now . Now all major projects have been come together to produce from Land projevts like Altay , İFV apc to Navy ones İstanbul class , Tf 2000 , milden and air forve with steath drones , Kaan Özgür . Now with all this projects we will delay alot of them or we gonna crash , economically its impossible , We are not USA or China .
We fucked up with managmemt and production of defence projects we should accept

 

[Tonyukuk]

İts not others foult , we have since 2012 with ÖZGÜR project and nothing until now . Now all major projects have been come together to produce from Land projevts like Altay , İFV apc to Navy ones İstanbul class , Tf 2000 , milden and air forve with steath drones , Kaan Özgür . Now with all this projects we will delay alot of them or we gonna crash , economically its impossible , We are not USA or China .
We fucked up with managmemt and production of defence projects we should accept

Also a lot of engineers are leaving for countries that will pay them more. Erdoğan is also really pissing off youth for a variety of reasons, so not only is there financial issues but there also may be lack of staff to run all projects at full speed as a lot of quality people are leaving. Not helping at all that in this heated neighborhood, instead if calling for unity Erdoğan has pointed the barrel at the opposition, arrested two major figures and countless others whilst he continues to allow a stream of CIA/MOSSAD assets to leak through the border.

If you think Iran is bad, oh boy. Türkiye is probably infested with countless Afghans and Syrians ready to attack and gather intel for a quick buck from their grandmasters.

Truly a retarded situation, you can thank MOSSAD/CIA backed political Islam for this.

I don't think the Turkish air force has ever been this weak in comparison to its neighbors. It doesn't matter that Türkiye has many benefits in other areas of its military, the failure to maintain supremacy in this period in an immensely dangerous mistake. All of this is due to Erdoğans "mistakes". Miscalculation or treason, you decide.

I'm hoping Kızılelma can be pumped out as soon as possible. Even 20 in the inventory will bring some relief.

 

[mehmed beg]

I think that people who into defence matters should have some realism.
Turkiye was supposed to have by now 50 to 60 F 35s. USA lied and stole 1,5 bn , no?
France wasn't ever going to sell Rafals to TAF, Sweden also never wanted to sell Gripens, Germans never wanted till recently to sell Typhoons and even now with lots of condensations. Russian and Chinese planes were out of the question. I don't think that Biden was will even to sell F16s to Turkiye.
The only thing that Turkiye could have done is to buy Jf/17 Thunder.
What else is out there???

 

[Pokemonte13]

I think that people who into defence matters should have some realism.
Turkiye was supposed to have by now 50 to 60 F 35s. USA lied and stole 1,5 bn , no?
France wasn't ever going to sell Rafals to TAF, Sweden also never wanted to sell Gripens, Germans never wanted till recently to sell Typhoons and even now with lots of condensations. Russian and Chinese planes were out of the question. I don't think that Biden was will even to sell F16s to Turkiye.
The only thing that Turkiye could have done is to buy Jf/17 Thunder.
What else is out there???

well jf 17 is a pakistani jet as much as it is a chinese jet engines avionics ect are sourced from china not that we would even consider it.
Technically the status of our airforce is our fault as it is the fault of our (allies). Even if the true reason why we didn't get the f35s was israeli pressure the nail in the coffin was the s400 we basically gave them the bullets to shoot us in the leg and the government knew that the americans made it pretty clear.
I don't blame the french we also wouldn't want to sell equipment to our geopolitical adversary.
The germans are bit different they claim human rights etc but sell stuff to gulf states and israel basic german hypocracy.
And the f16 i don't know if that was on us or the americans after sweden joined nato.

 

[Sanchez]

USA lied and stole 1,5 bn , no?

US didn't lie. They clearly told us what would happen. Erdogan government thought they were bluffing so they called the bluff and we were met with CAATSA and being booted from F-35.

France wasn't ever going to sell Rafals to TAF

We never asked for Rafales.

Sweden also never wanted to sell Gripens

We never asked for Gripens either. But they did help get TF-X start off in 2013.

Germans never wanted till recently to sell Typhoons

This is true.

I don't think that Biden was will even to sell F16s to Turkiye

Biden government spent more than a year to move the congress to okay the F-16 sale, and congress did okay it. F-16 sale is done, turns out it is the Turkish side that is moving the goal posts with other demands.

Per what's being reported for the last week; US have been pushing Turkey to move forward with the F-16 sale for the last year. Per the same people, Turkey wants a resolution to F-35s before moving forward with the F-16 sale. Americans say that the F-16 sale with its big price tag would be a "confidence building" step to move forward to bigger stuff. Recent claims now say that Turkey will foregoe any new aircraft purchase and will ask for local engine production for F404 and F110; and Americans will again insist on the F-16 sale before moving to any other topics.

Tomorrow will be interesting. But we've finally learned what the hold up re new F-16s was.

We want to be free from America, but to do so we require American engines For Kaan and Hürjet and American knowhow and acceptance to modify our later block F-16s. It's a fucking gordion knot.

We are in a bind. We lack the funds to spend billions on foreign aircraft and fund our own aircraft programs simultaneously. But we need stopgap aircraft yesterday and our own projects won't become real things in this decade.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1970819632312586551

 

[Pokemonte13]

US didn't lie. They clearly told us what would happen. Erdogan government thought they were bluffing so they called the bluff and we were met with CAATSA and being booted from F-35.


We never asked for Rafales.


We never asked for Gripens either. But they did help get TF-X start off in 2013.


This is true.


Biden government spent more than a year to move the congress to okay the F-16 sale, and congress did okay it. F-16 sale is done, turns out it is the Turkish side that is moving the goal posts with other demands.

Per what's being reported for the last week; US have been pushing Turkey to move forward with the F-16 sale for the last year. Per the same people, Turkey wants a resolution to F-35s before moving forward with the F-16 sale. Americans say that the F-16 sale with its big price tag would be a "confidence building" step to move forward to bigger stuff. Recent claims now say that Turkey will foregoe any new aircraft purchase and will ask for local engine production for F404 and F110; and Americans will again insist on the F-16 sale before moving to any other topics.

Tomorrow will be interesting. But we've finally learned what the hold up re new F-16s was.

We want to be free from America, but to do so we require American engines For Kaan and Hürjet and American knowhow and acceptance to modify our later block F-16s. It's a fucking gordion knot.

We are in a bind. We lack the funds to spend billions on foreign aircraft and fund our own aircraft programs simultaneously. But we need stopgap aircraft yesterday and our own projects won't become real things in this decade.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1970819632312586551

Kinda sad for the airforce no new fighter jets in 17 years (2011-2028) at least coming decade looks very promising

 

[Sanchez]

Kinda sad for the airforce no new fighter jets in 17 years (2011-2028) at least coming decade looks very promising

If it can come, that is.