TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[GoatsMilk]

Well, it doesn't seem like it's that serious of a situation. Right? Haha.


No. That doesn't seem like a very good idea. To replace the F-4 2020 and meet the necessary fighter demand, it's better to buy what's already on the market than to purchase a product still under development. And since they're different weight classes, the Eurofighter is better.

back then i just remember people saying it wasn't a good idea/feasible. I was thinking that if more nations are capable of building top end fighter it indirectly helps Turkiye. If 10 nations for example produced 5th gen, it would be hard to get messed around by America because you could simply go to someone else.

 

[Quasar]

I feel that there is a misundertanding........ok may be Eurofighter will be physically replacing F-4 2020.

However,

on the one hand F-4 2020 was/ is there to strengthen the Turkish Air Force's ground attack capabilities with AGM-142 and now with SOM it was optimized for this role.

on the other hand Eurofighter was born primarily as an Air superiprity fighter

 

[Spitfire9]

This guy is cooking Koreans over their remarks on Kaan project. He is listing major outsourced subsystems of KF-21.

https://x.com/T_Nblty

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1986880575870017798

KF-21 looks worse than I first anticipated. They are not selling this aircraft to anyone the US doesn't want.

Did anybody think KF-21 could be sold to a country the US did not like?

I imagine that KAAN will suffer the same problem until a Turkish engine is installed.

 

[Zafer]

Did anybody think KF-21 could be sold to a country the US did not like?

I imagine that KAAN will suffer the same problem until a Turkish engine is installed.

Kaan is never meant to be exported before the Turkish engine is available anyway.

 

[Sanchez]

I imagine that KAAN will suffer the same problem until a Turkish engine is installed.

Indonesia deal specifically mentions the installation of the local engines.

 

[Huelague]

If we produce 24 planes per year. How much will our forces get and how much our customers?

 

[Pokemonte13]

If we produce 24 planes per year. How much will our forces get and how much our customers?

I read somewhere that the airforce plans are for 150 aircraft total and that the 24 planes pers year are for the beginning stages and are supposed to increase but that depends on international customers.
150 Turkey
(48) Indonesia

 

[Huelague]

I read somewhere that the airforce plans are for 150 aircraft total and that the 24 planes pers year are for the beginning stages and are supposed to increase but that depends on international customers.
150 Turkey
(48) Indonesia

I read somewhere between 200-250. But this is not my point. If we produced the first 24, do we get all of them? Let’s say the second batch are on higher production rate by 36. Do we get all of them until we get the number we need or purchased?

 

[Zafer]

I read somewhere between 200-250. But this is not my point. If we produced the first 24, do we get all of them? Let’s say the second batch are on higher production rate by 36. Do we get all of them until we get the number we need or purchased?

I think they would take multiple orders for the same time period as TurAF once the urgent few fleets of TurAF are already delivered. It will depend on the urgency situation of the customers. TurAF will probably want to get newer planes as the planes mature and evolve with every production run.

 

[TR_123456]

I read somewhere between 200-250. But this is not my point. If we produced the first 24, do we get all of them? Let’s say the second batch are on higher production rate by 36. Do we get all of them until we get the number we need or purchased?

All early KAAN's are for the Turkish Airforce,the export only starts after the indigenous engine is ready,not before.

 

[Huelague]

Do you know Ergün Kirlikova?

 

[TR_123456]

Do you know Ergün Kirlikova?

Should we?

 

[Khagan1923]

I still think we relations on a high we should sit down with RR and ask for assistance on TF35000. I trust TEI but even if RR can help us speed up development by 10% it would translate to 1-2 years.

The faster we have working indigenous engines to power Kaan the faster we will gain independence in the skies.

TAI is already deepening its partnership with BAE. Would not surpise me if the path slowly leads to Tempest for TAI.

 

[2033]

I still think we relations on a high we should sit down with RR and ask for assistance on TF35000. I trust TEI but even if RR can help us speed up development by 10% it would translate to 1-2 years.

The faster we have working indigenous engines to power Kaan the faster we will gain independence in the skies.

TAI is already deepening its partnership with BAE. Would not surpise me if the path slowly leads to Tempest for TAI.

No one "really" helps when it comes to engines.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Should we?

It is “Kırlıkovalı”

He is supposed to be the brains behind the stealth paint of B21 and F35.

Ergün Kırlıkovalı | Turkish Philanthropy Funds

Born in Izmir, Turkey in 1952, Ergün Kırlıkovalı earned a B.S. in Chemistry from Bogazici University, Istanbul, in 1974. He interned in Austria (1973) and Holland (1974) before completing an M.S. in Polymer Science at the University of Manchester, England, in 1975. Kırlıkovalı worked for polymer...

www.tpfund.org

 

[Huelague]

Should we?

Oh, yes. The person who developed the polymer coating for the US stealth planes.

 

[Huelague]

The reason why I am asking, is it possible to bring the „godfather“ of RAM to Türkiye? And more important, does he holds the IP rights of his works?

 

[TR_123456]

The reason why I am asking, is it possible to bring the „godfather“ of RAM to Türkiye? And more important, does he holds the IP rights of his works?

Who says he is not already working with us if he is what you claim he is?

 

[Huelague]

Who says he is not already working with us if he is what you claim he is?

He lives in US and works for a defense Company and have a contract with the Pentagon as the only supplier of RAM.

 

[mTT]

I don’t think he will return to the country.