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[I_Love_F16]

Even TAI received aid from PAKISTAN for the ANKA project so that the bird would get proper wings.

Can you post your source on that ?

 

[TR_123456]

Can you post your source on that ?

Yeah,he cant because there is none.
Pakistani engineers are working at TAI but it has nothing to do with Pakistan,
TAI is working for over 40 years with all the big airospace companies like Boeing,Airbus,RR,Safran etc making WINGS fuselage etc for various airplanes so his statement doesnt make any sense.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Yeah,he cant because there is none.
Pakistani engineers are working at TAI but it has nothing to do with Pakistan,
TAI is working for over 40 years with all the big airospace companies like Boeing,Airbus,RR,Safran etc making WINGS fuselage etc for various airplanes so his statement doesnt make any sense.

During Temel Kotil’s time a deal was signed between TAI and Pakistani Nescom to manufacture certain parts of Anka drone in Pakistan with some TOT.

Turkish Aerospace, Pakistani institution to jointly produce UAV parts

One of Turkey’s leading unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) producers, Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI), has inked a contract with Pakistan's National...

www.dailysabah.com

 

[TR_123456]

During Temel Kotil’s time a deal was signed between TAI and Pakistani Nescom to manufacture certain parts of Anka drone in Pakistan with some TOT.

Turkish Aerospace, Pakistani institution to jointly produce UAV parts

One of Turkey’s leading unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) producers, Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI), has inked a contract with Pakistan's National...

www.dailysabah.com

''Even TAI received aid from PAKISTAN for the ANKA project so that the bird would get proper wings. The events that happened in the ANKA project are enough for a Hollywood movie.''


Yes but manufactoring parts is not what meant above.

''So that the bird would get proper wings.''

TAI cant produce proper wings?

TAI helped Pakistan,not the other way.

 

[Yasar_TR]

TAI helped Pakistan,not the orher way.

Exactly!
That was what I meant With TOT as well.

 

[OPTIMUS]

Can you post your source on that ?

of course.

Yeah,he cant because there is none.
Pakistani engineers are working at TAI but it has nothing to do with Pakistan,
TAI is working for over 40 years with all the big airospace companies like Boeing,Airbus,RR,Safran etc making WINGS fuselage etc for various airplanes so his statement doesnt make any sense.

Yes, dozens of pieces of evidence, photos. Only names stay with me.

Because the purpose you were looking for, we hadn't seen either, at the time when whole teams from Anka were carried out in a fog and night operation, because they came from a well-known university, which just didn’t fit well for some people, under the leadership of a Major, who was first promoted to Brigadier General, shortly afterward to Major General. That’s when we understood that everything had to go, whole plans, sketches, documentation, photos, results 'right or wrong,' everything had to be removed—even some people took certain tools away. No one could say anything. The press, led by a newspaper and TV channels, was against success. And this General was kicked out of the Army. Sitting in prison.

TAI and NESCOM is a completely different story. TAI received support from another Pakistani company. They identified themselves as being from P 751. Admittedly, they were very good as well. Their knowledge and experience in wing construction were impeccable. But their skill in identifying and solving problems was unmatched worldwide. The Pakistanis helped a lot.

The new teams, where all doors and gates were wide open, didn’t know at first which way was left or right. One day, they were sanding Anka’s body with sandpaper to make the bird lighter. They actually did that. There was even a reporter team from S&H magazine present. They also wrote about this work in the next issue. However, the new team disturbed the bird’s balance with the sanding. Anka couldn’t stay in the air and crashed. They immediately found the culprit: ASELSAN was to blame. ASELFLIR was supposedly heavier than they had stated. In fact, these new people did everything wrong that you could possibly do. They even sabotaged the T 129 ATAK to make themselves believable. My eyes saw how these people poured concrete on the ATAK’s tail to restore balance because ASELFLIR 300 was supposedly too heavy. That was, of course, a lie—a brazen lie.

In these times, the government began to be more skeptical about the events at TAI, and MIT looked more closely. Then came the accusations from Israel and from these people against Hakan F. for being too close to Iran with the PKK-OSLO leak. The first video about this leak came from these people via Vimeo from the USA. A short time later, in Februar 2012, they wanted to arrest Hakan F., etc....

We saw after 7 Months the Pakistanis from September 2012. The new teams were not enthusiastic about Pakistanis. To be honest, they initially held back. The newteams became more skeptical and caused the third ANKA to crash, which happened six months after the Pakistanis arrived. Just to be able to say that Pakistanis are stupid.

The calculations by Pakistanis showed that the entire wing design and construction were faulty. They were afraid, and the day after, all the ANKAs were glued to the fuselage at the wing root with thick black industrial stripe adhesive.

a few years later the coup happened anyway.

Unfortunately, I don't have more evidence. I think the justice system has more evidence than I do.

I want to see if the fish are scared this time as well. If you delete this too, then you'll know who these fish are.

 

[Zafer]

of course.


Yes, dozens of pieces of evidence, photos. Only names stay with me.

Because the purpose you were looking for, we hadn't seen either, at the time when whole teams from Anka were carried out in a fog and night operation, because they came from a well-known university, which just didn’t fit well for some people, under the leadership of a Major, who was first promoted to Brigadier General, shortly afterward to Major General. That’s when we understood that everything had to go, whole plans, sketches, documentation, photos, results 'right or wrong,' everything had to be removed—even some people took certain tools away. No one could say anything. The press, led by a newspaper and TV channels, was against success. And this General was kicked out of the Army. Sitting in prison.

TAI and NESCOM is a completely different story. TAI received support from another Pakistani company. They identified themselves as being from P 751. Admittedly, they were very good as well. Their knowledge and experience in wing construction were impeccable. But their skill in identifying and solving problems was unmatched worldwide. The Pakistanis helped a lot.

The new teams, where all doors and gates were wide open, didn’t know at first which way was left or right. One day, they were sanding Anka’s body with sandpaper to make the bird lighter. They actually did that. There was even a reporter team from S&H magazine present. They also wrote about this work in the next issue. However, the new team disturbed the bird’s balance with the sanding. Anka couldn’t stay in the air and crashed. They immediately found the culprit: ASELSAN was to blame. ASELFLIR was supposedly heavier than they had stated. In fact, these new people did everything wrong that you could possibly do. They even sabotaged the T 129 ATAK to make themselves believable. My eyes saw how these people poured concrete on the ATAK’s tail to restore balance because ASELFLIR 300 was supposedly too heavy. That was, of course, a lie—a brazen lie.

In these times, the government began to be more skeptical about the events at TAI, and MIT looked more closely. Then came the accusations from Israel and from these people against Hakan F. for being too close to Iran with the PKK-OSLO leak. The first video about this leak came from these people via Vimeo from the USA. A short time later, in Februar 2012, they wanted to arrest Hakan F., etc....

We saw after 7 Months the Pakistanis from September 2012. The new teams were not enthusiastic about Pakistanis. To be honest, they initially held back. The newteams became more skeptical and caused the third ANKA to crash, which happened six months after the Pakistanis arrived. Just to be able to say that Pakistanis are stupid.

The calculations by Pakistanis showed that the entire wing design and construction were faulty. They were afraid, and the day after, all the ANKAs were glued to the fuselage at the wing root with thick black industrial stripe adhesive.

a few years later the coup happened anyway.

Unfortunately, I don't have more evidence. I think the justice system has more evidence than I do.

I want to see if the fish are scared this time as well. If you delete this too, then you'll know who these fish are.

No wonder Baykar was the first to turn a drone into a bomber and not TAI, how could they be with the traitors within.

 

[King_West]

Are there any updates on the Anka 3 or other drones? Most attention is on the Kizilelma the last months and I haven’t heard from other drones that much anymore

 

[begturan]

Are there any updates on the Anka 3 or other drones? Most attention is on the Kizilelma the last months and I haven’t heard from other drones that much anymore

Since a prototype of Anka3 crashed, no news has been reported in the media, probably they are trying to focus on the project and close the time gap.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Since a prototype of Anka3 crashed, no news has been reported in the media, probably they are trying to focus on the project and close the time gap.

Actually there were news that the crashed/hard landed anka3, since has been up and flying again.
For both Anka3 and KE to have a realistic serial production phase, we need the tf6000/10000 engines. Without them they are not quite right. First of all the Ukranian engine route is a dead end. That factory has been bombed so many times that the only thing coming out of it is probably some parts to keep helicopters flying.
Similar engines to fly these birds are there and can be purchased as RRAdour and Honeywell F124/125. But they are not stealthy engines. So unless the indigenous engines are ready, both KE and Anka-3 are still in development stage. Or fly like Kaan block10 supposedly be flying with f110 engines.

 

[Zafer]

A taste of technology in daily life

Manned unmanned teaming is the future of fighter jet combat. Once you have the two planes custom made for such an operation you are at the cutting edge of technology. You can possibly team Kızılelma with an F16 to a similar end. I have experienced a similar situation in my driving experience during my 2500 km trip cross-country. Actually a friend was at the wheel and was driving at night. At some places the road was not illuminated and we sometimes turned on the high beams for short periods. But when we got lucky we tagged along another car in front of us that illuminated the road for us with its low beam headlights. We just visually locked on to the leading car to see our way.

Kızılelma can be made to lead an F16 in combat delivering sensor data practically using F16 as a weapons car if itself lacks the weapons it needs that is.

 

[Quasar]

A taste of technology in daily life

Manned unmanned teaming is the future of fighter jet combat. Once you have the two planes custom made for such an operation you are at the cutting edge of technology. You can possibly team Kızılelma with an F16 to a similar end. I have experienced a similar situation in my driving experience during my 2500 km trip cross-country. Actually a friend was at the wheel and was driving at night. At some places the road was not illuminated and we sometimes turned on the high beams for short periods. But when we got lucky we tagged along another car in front of us that illuminated the road for us with its low beam headlights. We just visually locked on to the leading car to see our way.

Kızılelma can be made to lead an F16 in combat delivering sensor data practically using F16 as a weapons car if itself lacks the weapons it needs that is.

Bro very good analogy yet Manned unmanned teaming will not occure in isolation... the role of Peace Eagle as a game changer seems to be missing in your analogy ... a dedicated AEW&C

-Sure UAVs can be utilized in AEW role but as supplementary assets... in this regard KIZILELMA will be a vital asset with MURAD 100 -A AESA and TOYGUN (EOTS)

 

[YeşilVatan]

I always thought the initial stages of "unmanned fighter" stuff would be AWACS aircraft directing and networking with a 'wall' of fighters in front of it. Highly networked, this means enemy needs an extreme stand-off anti-air capability to hit the AWACS but also needs extreme sensor capability to detect closer but smaller and stealthier unmanned aircraft. In later stages the role of AWACS is distributed to F-35 like flying supercomputers, in our case it's KAAN. As usual, USA is ahead of everyone in this domain by having the F-35. They will also have anduril loyal wingmen and wil have completed the picture before everyone else.

With this said, I think Baykar (specifically Selçuk Bey) is reading the picture correctly. They are going for the 'rogue' option by having a very high degree of automation. USA can't go for this completely automated unmanned fighter role, because of political, legislative or maybe industrial lobbying reasons. One thing is certain, they have the technical capability. Yet the USA is rapidly losing is industrial capacity and more importantly, organizational prowess. Case in point; constellation class, or the training jet (T-7). Even the functional wunderwaffe such as F-35 is the outcome of an abysmal procurement program which took 5x the money it should have received.

This may be a faulty reading of the situation and I am ready to yield to superior knowledge.

On another note, I still hold the opinion that we need a cheap bomb truck UAV that will deliver cheap gliding munitions. We are not fighting PKK ambush parties with 40 dudes and 3 mules anymore. We need devestation as well as precision. I would love a single diesel engine MALE drone with 12-24 hour loiter time carrying only one TEBER bomb. It doesn't have to even have fancy sensors if we can figure out the datalinks. Produce at scale. Like 750. Every battalion commander in an active zone should have access to at least three of these at any given time. Was it shot? No biggie!

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