TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Sanchez]

Explain why it is good?

I had and still do have my reservations on Kaan's IWB space. Too big of a jet, but until yesterday it probably couldn't carry 4 long range AAMs. Goal should be 6; but unsure if that's planned.

 

[boredaf]

I had and still do have my reservations on Kaan's IWB space. Too big of a jet, but until yesterday it probably couldn't carry 4 long range AAMs. Goal should be 6; but unsure if that's planned.

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Would 6 even fit though? It's not just the missiles, its whatever rack or pylon or hardpoints we put inside, at some distance between the missiles themselves, then between the missiles and the walls of the weapon bay all around it. We also need space for engine inlets to pass somewhere around there as well to reach the engine, don't we?

 

[Sanchez]

Would 6 even fit though? It's not just the missiles, its whatever rack or pylon or hardpoints we put inside, at some distance between the missiles themselves, then between the missiles and the walls of the weapon bay all around it. We also need space for engine inlets to pass somewhere around there as well to reach the engine, don't we?

All true, and it's not done by anyone else so far; but would be a huge boon. Kaan is big and has lots of fuel to go all the way to Libya and do CAP there. 6 long sticks will be needed for future.

 

[Burberryswine1]

Would 6 even fit though? It's not just the missiles, its whatever rack or pylon or hardpoints we put inside, at some distance between the missiles themselves, then between the missiles and the walls of the weapon bay all around it. We also need space for engine inlets to pass somewhere around there as well to reach the engine, don't we?

they could try something similar to the F35 with its internal weapons bay doors

 

[Huelague]

Vertical stabilizers have more angle and look longer

Where do you see that ?

 

[Huelague]

We dont really have such startups.

Are you serious?

 

[AlperTunga]

Are you serious?

Our startups doing small stuff, not developing a hypersonic missile.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Are you serious?

Our startups doing small stuff, not developing a hypersonic missile.

Guys, before discussing/arguing about hypersonic missiles, you need to clarify what you mean by “hypersonic” missiles.

Most ballistic missiles achieve hypersonic speeds during their midcourse flights. Are they hypersonic missiles?
Take Bora missile; during midcourse it reaches hypersonic speeds. But it hits its target just above 1 Mach.
Typhoon block 1 is not much different either. It stays at hypersonic speeds longer at higher values. But it slows down to supersonic speeds during its terminal phase.
Typhoon block 4, as per Roketsan‘s claim, will hit it’s target at hypersonic speeds. That means it will have propulsion during terminal phase. That will make it a truer hypersonic missile than the above ones.

Then of course there is the scramjet powered hypersonic missiles. These will travel at altitudes between 20km to 35km. But will have nonstop propulsion until they hit their targets.

Which is the one that is hypersonic?

 

[Huelague]

Has some one discovered physically changes on KAAN?

 

[Fuzuli NL]

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[Fuzuli NL]

Has some one discovered physically changes on KAAN?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2023055742601994659

 

[hugh]

The US is against the sale of KAAN to Saudi Arabia

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2023523728710397965

 

[Strong AI]

The US is against the sale of KAAN to Saudi Arabia

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2023523728710397965

So it looks like KSA needs to wait for turkish engines too.

 

[2033]

So it looks like KSA needs to wait for turkish engines too.

Saudi Arabia could completely back out. The US saying “Let's give you the F-35s, don't buy the Kaan” is enough for them

 

[Pete Mitchell Maverick]

Honestly, I don't think the US will ever provide F110 engines for serial production. It looks like we have no choice but to wait for the TF35000 engine to be ready around 2032–33.

If the US is against Saudi Arabia acquiring the KAAN, they definitely won't give us the engines. We'll have no option but to wait for the TF35000. Unlike the Altay, there isn't even an alternative engine for this project. And anyway, an 'alternative engine' would mean significant design changes.

 

[Zafer]

If foreign engine not arrive by mid 2028 then replace foreign engine with local engine by mid 2029, end wait.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Saudi Arabia could completely back out. The US saying “Let's give you the F-35s, don't buy the Kaan” is enough for them

Saudis are interested in Tempest and Kaan, not because they just need to purchase these planes. They want to learn how they are made. MBS the Crown Prince wants a sizeable indigenous content in the planes they are going to buy to kick start their aerospace industry. Of the two we are the only ones that can help them. But we insist on a minimum 50 plane order to justify us setting up a production line for them in Saudi land.

Honestly, I don't think the US will ever provide F110 engines for serial production. It looks like we have no choice but to wait for the TF35000 engine to be ready around 2032–33.

US would have two reasons not to give us the 110 engines.
1. Kaan is part of the SSB program, and SSB is sanctioned by CAATSA.
2. If they don’t want us to be stepping in, to steal their customers. For that they don’t need to stop delivery of F110s. They just block the sale of engines on specific country basis; like they did with Pakistani Atak129 order.

US knows very well that we will make our own engine in the end. So stopping deliveries of F110 engines is short term solution. Yet if they supply these engines they will be selling minimum 90, more likely 130 engines to us. That is a lot of engine business to lose.

 

[Pete Mitchell Maverick]

Saudis are interested in Tempest and Kaan, not because they just need to purchase these planes. They want to learn how they are made. MBS the Crown Prince wants a sizeable indigenous content in the planes they are going to buy to kick start their aerospace industry. Of the two we are the only ones that can help them. But we insist on a minimum 50 plane order to justify us setting up a production line for them in Saudi land.


US would have two reasons not to give us the 110 engines.
1. Kaan is part of the SSB program, and SSB is sanctioned by CAATSA.
2. If they don’t want us to be stepping in, to steal their customers. For that they don’t need to stop delivery of F110s. They just block the sale of engines on specific country basis; like they did with Pakistani Atak129 order.

US knows very well that we will make our own engine in the end. So stopping deliveries of F110 engines is short term solution. Yet if they supply these engines they will be selling minimum 90, more likely 130 engines to us. That is a lot of engine business to lose.

The only hope is that, thanks to the quite good relationship between President Erdoğan and Trump, the CAATSA sanctions will be lifted during this period and the F110 engines will be supplied quickly. We can also expect the F-16 and F-35 issues to be resolved. As you said, sooner or later we will develop the TF35000 anyway and we won’t need the US anymore. By not giving the engines, they will lose both money and a customer. But in 6-7 years, they will completely lose that customer anyway. Delivering the F110s quickly would also be in their own interest.

 

[TR_123456]

Saudi Arabia could completely back out. The US saying “Let's give you the F-35s, don't buy the Kaan” is enough for them

No it wouldnt,it is deeper then the F-35.
There is no more trust in the US,not just for defence platforms.

 

[YeşilVatan]

As far as I know, Saudis had to stop their moderately successful bombing campaign against Houthis a few years back because they westoids imposed a shadow embargo on air to land munitions. If their minds are changed on these topics, this is probably the catalyst. Which means even if they choose to go with KAAN, they would want a significant workshare.

My proposed solution is to give them freedom to integrate munitions, maybe some standalone sensors. We have to preserve engine and sensor suite at all costs. Not like they can come up with theirs in the foreseeable future. If they cough up large enough money, we can develop parallel projects for different subsystems. Essentially downgrade versions.

I don't know but if Saudis can let go of their unearned superiority complex and be fuckin real for a second, the two countries can essentially dominate the region for at least half a centruy, because they cover each others' weaknesses very well.