TR Attack & Utility Helicopter Programs

[Merzifonlu]

EASA certification with the LHTEC CTS-800 engine is expected to be completed this month. How about TEI TS-1400 engine?

 

[hugh]

congrats, EASA certification is finished.

he says it's been certified by a Turkish institution. Not a word of EASA or foreign certification uttered by him.

 

[zio]

Easa certification is not possible,because you have to apply on design phase,we did not it.

 

[bisbis]

Easa certification is not possible,because you have to apply on design phase,we did not it.

Isn't Tusaş an EASA certified design and manufacturing center?

 

[bisbis]

he says it's been certified by a Turkish institution. Not a word of EASA or foreign certification uttered by him.

Does the General Directorate of Civil Aviation have the authority to issue EASA certifications?

 

[Sanchez]

EASA certification with the LHTEC CTS-800 engine is expected to be completed this month. How about TEI TS-1400 engine?

We don't really know the details, type certification is different than the engine certification. TS1400 have been going its own certification process for the last 2 or so years. These are long arduous processes.

 

[Zafer]

Probably EASA will see the SHGM certification and ratify it

 

[Yasar_TR]

Apparently Turkiye uses SHGM certification. These certificates are issued under ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization).
Attached file has the list of ICAO countries that will accept these certificates:

Member States

NOTE - This is the official list of short names of ICAO Contracting States, for use in all general documentation and publications. Where full names of States are required, the official listing of States in the United Nations Terminology Bulletin is to be used.Member StatesMember States...

www.icao.int

It may not be an EASA certificate. But it is still valid according to above info.

 

[TR_123456]

Apparently Turkiye uses SHGM certification. These certificates are issued under ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization).
Attached file has the list of ICAO countries that will accept these certificates:

Member States

NOTE - This is the official list of short names of ICAO Contracting States, for use in all general documentation and publications. Where full names of States are required, the official listing of States in the United Nations Terminology Bulletin is to be used.Member StatesMember States...

www.icao.int

It may not be an EASA certificate. But it is still valid according to above info.

Then why the need for an EASA certificate,i see almost all countries accept this SHGM certification?

 

[Zafer]

Unlike passenger planes helicopters mostly serve inside the jurisdiction of a single country and don't travel from country to country so it is easier for a foreign user to accept Gökbey by just trusting the engineering quality of Turkish aerospace products and the flight hours under their belt.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Then why the need for an EASA certificate,i see almost all countries accept this SHGM certification?

ICAO is worldwide. EASA applies to European Union only. EASA is stricter.
ICAO is non regulatory. It provides standards. EASA is regulatory . It makes ICAO standards legal. SHGM is our EASA.

Below listed countries have bilateral agreement with Turkiye to accept SHGM certificates.

Countries With Which Our Country Has Executed A Bilateral Air Transport/Services Agreement | Directorate General Of Civil Aviation

Countries With Which Our Country Has Executed A Bilateral Air Transport/Services Agreement​

Europe (EU Members)
GERMANY	FINLAND	SWEDEN	HUNGARY	SLOVENIA
AUSTRIA	FRANCE	SWITZERLAND	MALTA	GREECE
BELGIUM	CROATIA	ITALY	NORWAY	ESTONIA
BULGARIA	THE NETHERLANDS	ICELAND	POLAND	SPAIN
CZECH REPUBLIC	UNITED KINGDOM	LATVIA	PORTUGAL	LUXEMBOURG
DENMARK	IRELAND	LITHUANIA	ROMANIA	SLOVAKIA

Europe (Non-EU Members)
ARNAVUTLUK​	KARADAĞ​	MOLDOVA​	UKRAYNA​	NORVEÇ​
BELARUS​	KOSOVA​	RUSYA​	İZLANDA​	KKTC​
BOSNA HERSEK​	MAKEDONYA​	SIRBİSTAN​	İSVİÇRE​

Americas
North USA (UNITED STATES OF AMERICA)	South ANTIGUA BARBUDA	GUATEMALA	PARAGUAY	VENEZUELA
CANADA	ARGENTINA	GUYANA	PERU	CUBA
MEXICO	BELIZE	HONDURAS	SAINT LUCIA	EL SALVADOR
Central DOMINICAN REPUBLIC	BRAZIL	COLOMBIA	SAINT VINCENT AND GRENADINES	NICARAGUA
JAMAICA	EQUATOR	COSTA RICA	TRINIDAD TOBAGO	URUGUAY
PANAMA

Middle East
UAE (UNITED ARAB EMIRATES)	ISRAEL	LEBANON	JORDAN
BAHRAIN	QATAR	SAUDI ARABIA	YEMEN
IRAQ	TRNC-TURKISH REPUBLIC OF NORTHERN CYPRUS	SYRIA
IRAN	KUWAIT	OMAN

Central Asia
AZERBAIJAN	UZBEKISTAN
GEORGIA	TAJIKISTAN
KAZAKHSTAN	TURKMENISTAN
KYRGYZSTAN

Asia
AFGHANISTAN	SOUTH KOREA	MALDIVES	SRI LANKA	KAMPUCHEA
BANGLADESH	INDIA	MALAYSIA	THAILAND	LAO
BRUNEI DARUSSALAM	HONG KONG	MONGOLIA	VIETNAM	PAKISTAN
CHINA	JAPAN	NEPAL	INDONESIA	SINGAPORE
PHILIPPINES

Africa
BENIN	CHAD	GAMBIA	COMOROS	EGYPT
BOTSWANA	DEM. REPUBLIC OF THE CONGO	GHANA	CONGO	MAURITANIA
BURKINA FASO	ETHIOPIA	REPUBLIC OF SOUTH AFRICA	LESOTHO	MOZAMBIQUE
BURUNDI	MOROCCO	SOUTH SUDAN	LIBYA	NIGER
ALGERIA	IVORY COAST	CAMEROON	MADAGASCAR	NIGERIA
DJIBOUTI	GABON	KENYA	MALI	CENTRAL AFRICAN REPUBLIC
RWANDA	SIERRA LEONE	SWAZILAND	TOGO	CAPE VERDE ISLANDS
SAO TOME & PRI.	SOMALI	SEYCHELLES	TUNISIA	ZAMBIA
SENEGAL	SUDAN	TANZANIA	UGANDA	ZIMBABWE

Ocenia

AUSTRALIA​

FIJI​

NEW ZELAND​

 

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[zio]

Isn't Tusaş an EASA certified design and manufacturing center?

You have to apply within the begiining of design which we did not,a man who is expert of certification said months ago.There is a project mismanegement of this case,howerver we learned something on each project.

 

[Saithan]

Why do you have to apply at the beginning of a design ?

 

[TR_123456]

Why do you have to apply at the beginning of a design ?

You cut time i guess.