TR Propulsion Systems

[Khagan1923]

Looks already deleted but i saw this tweet few minutes ago.

Firstly no, many engine builders actually do present their projects. Literally noone else ever goes to an industry fair and says "oh we made this in our free time, it's quite literally the second most powerful fighter jet engine ever built." Noone buys this. Any person with a modicum of knowledge on the matter simply calls it bs if they are a foreigner or goes out of their way to not call it bs if they are Turkish. Because kids will go angry when you call this stuff bullshit, because the MoD himself wouldn't lie.

What's shown is not an engine. It looks like an engine, but it isn't. Lack of test footage also corroborates the same. There's no second team working on a 42K engine behind the veil. Making a 35K engine is hard as it is and it's taking years of our time and millions. There's no need for this bullshit. It simply only damages our reputation.

It's from this image.

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Whoever is spouting all these are hacks, they are liars, working to line their own pockets. They are basically traitors to this country. All this is a sham, lie. I simply hope that this is not a sign of what's to come for this industry. If it is, we are fucked. No ifs, no buts. This is nothing less than spitting on the faces of tens of thousands of people working on this industry, trying to build actual, real things.

The yandas's have moved on to the last industry that has not been completly sucked dry by them.

This is the their entry into that.

We will see money go into these "projects" that exist only on paper with nothing to show for it and the money will and up in the pockets of a handful yandas's.

Same old story of this country over the last 2 decades.

WTF is even MSB Arge. No face, no names, no titles. Unprofessional to the max, can't even print info cards correctly.

Clown show all around, I bet Yildirimhan they came up with in the last few weeks, "You know what would be a good idea to deter hostile countries, OUR OWN ICBM, lets slap something together and show it off and then point it at the one country we need the one thing from that would make Kaan fly."

Im sure this hit like crack to for the population that cant wait for the ruling party to give them a excuse to go and vote for them again.

MSB also has nothing to do with the TSK. MSB is a department run by the ruling party, as such they can run free there meanwhile all this hurts the reputation and credibility of actual competent companies and worst of all TSK.

 

[Bogeyman]

 

[YeşilVatan]

The yandas's have moved on to the last industry that has not been completly sucked dry by them.

This is the their entry into that.

We will see money go into these "projects" that exist only on paper with nothing to show for it and the money will and up in the pockets of a handful yandas's.

Same old story of this country over the last 2 decades.

WTF is even MSB Arge. No face, no names, no titles. Unprofessional to the max, can't even print info cards correctly.

Clown show all around, I bet Yildirimhan they came up with in the last few weeks, "You know what would be a good idea to deter hostile countries, OUR OWN ICBM, lets slap something together and show it off and then point it at the one country we need the one thing from that would make Kaan fly."

Im sure this hit like crack to for the population that cant wait for the ruling party to give them a excuse to go and vote for them again.

MSB also has nothing to do with the TSK. MSB is a department run by the ruling party, as such they can run free there meanwhile all this hurts the reputation and credibility of actual competent companies and worst of all TSK.

I don't think votes are the motivator because they don't need anything extra against such inept opposition.

I have a glimmer of hope that this somehow turns out to be something we can salvage.

 

[mehmed beg]

The yandas's have moved on to the last industry that has not been completly sucked dry by them.

This is the their entry into that.

We will see money go into these "projects" that exist only on paper with nothing to show for it and the money will and up in the pockets of a handful yandas's.

Same old story of this country over the last 2 decades.

WTF is even MSB Arge. No face, no names, no titles. Unprofessional to the max, can't even print info cards correctly.

Clown show all around, I bet Yildirimhan they came up with in the last few weeks, "You know what would be a good idea to deter hostile countries, OUR OWN ICBM, lets slap something together and show it off and then point it at the one country we need the one thing from that would make Kaan fly."

Im sure this hit like crack to for the population that cant wait for the ruling party to give them a excuse to go and vote for them again.

MSB also has nothing to do with the TSK. MSB is a department run by the ruling party, as such they can run free there meanwhile all this hurts the reputation and credibility of actual competent companies and worst of all TSK.

Oh please spare me this melodrama, will you?
What is going with defence industry?
Apart from Kaan flying, Hurkus flying and being sold , Hurjet likewise, or defence and ballistic missile documented successes , what is really happening.
All this drama, yesterday and today on this forum and elsewhere, for what exactly?
Is is it some sort of competition who is more in the daily routine mould?
Turkey has been developing ballistics and rocket engines for some time, so I think that Turkey can make ICBM , though I don't see the point without nuclear warheads. But then again maybe Pakistan can provide one or two?
I am more sceptical about this air engine but as far as I know, even on this platform, people have been saying that TAI can make in-house 60 to 70 % of F110 engin, so I think in the last 10 years, Turks could add another 30 40% .
In any case,we will see in year or two
MSB institute? Well, if it is supposed secret like these projects , so why would they be clear to public????
Feel free to think that your summarisation represents some sort of truth.
And yes , if I am them ( Turkish government) I would do the same things, afterall destroy in valuable project is kind of hobby of previous structures and I believe that fact has been mentioned here on few occasions, no?

 

[YeşilVatan]

Guys. I have a theory.

This engine is an f110 clone with slight differences. It does not have 42k lbf thrust, maybe 30-36k.

The reason it was built outside of TEI is to throw off Americans/for plausible deniability.

This is basically KAAN's insurance.

And this is my theory.

 

[AlterUnd]

Looks already deleted but i saw this tweet few minutes ago.

Firstly no, many engine builders actually do present their projects. Literally noone else ever goes to an industry fair and says "oh we made this in our free time, it's quite literally the second most powerful fighter jet engine ever built." Noone buys this. Any person with a modicum of knowledge on the matter simply calls it bs if they are a foreigner or goes out of their way to not call it bs if they are Turkish. Because kids will go angry when you call this stuff bullshit, because the MoD himself wouldn't lie.

What's shown is not an engine. It looks like an engine, but it isn't. Lack of test footage also corroborates the same. There's no second team working on a 42K engine behind the veil. Making a 35K engine is hard as it is and it's taking years of our time and millions. There's no need for this bullshit. It simply only damages our reputation.

It's from this image.

View attachment 80382



Whoever is spouting all these are hacks, they are liars, working to line their own pockets. They are basically traitors to this country. All this is a sham, lie. I simply hope that this is not a sign of what's to come for this industry. If it is, we are fucked. No ifs, no buts. This is nothing less than spitting on the faces of tens of thousands of people working on this industry, trying to build actual, real things.

It is betrayal to entire Turkish defense industry. This argument is inclusive to anyone who keeps endorsing MoD R&D.

 

[AlterUnd]

Guys. I have a theory.

This engine is an f110 clone with slight differences. It does not have 42k lbf thrust, maybe 30-36k.

The reason it was built outside of TEI is to throw off Americans/for plausible deniability.

This is basically KAAN's insurance.

And this is my theory.

Then presumably MoD R&D somehow has 1000+ personnel working on design, manufacturing, assembly and testing just for this engine.

Are those imaginary personnel in the same room, can you see them, can you see job-openings for those positions?

Or is it the deus-ex-machina appearing out of thin air to break ice, and support someone's promotion.

This is pure betrayal, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[YeşilVatan]

Then presumably MoD R&D somehow has 1000+ personnel working on design, manufacturing, assembly and testing just for this engine.

Are those imaginary personnel in the same room, can you see them, can you see job-openings for those positions?

Or is it the deus-ex-machina appearing out of thin air to break ice, and support someone's promotion.

This is pure betrayal, nothing more, nothing less.

Stop being condescending.

My theory is as soon as TEI got the metallurgical (and other) know how to completely reverse engineer f110, they had some people move to MSB ARGE, kept it small and moving. If this theory is true, a lot of the engine parts can be simply requisitioned from Air Force anyways. They must have had a team of low hundreds, maybe some working simultaneously on other institutions. The engineering work would be shortened significantly if all the dimensions are all pre-determined and you have to solve metallurgy side of things.

And again, this is a theory. You don't have to go around insulting people with this impotent faux outrage.

 

[Strong AI]

There is another one

- Our ONUR TURBO SHAFT HELICOPTER ENGINE, all of whose turbine and parts are again produced by our R&D

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2051728092935213133

MSB R&D is showcasing the ONUR turboshaft helicopter engine for the first time at SAHA2026

Power: 1550hp
Output speed: 700rpm
Pressure ratio: 7.4
Weight: 310 kg

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2052084692317356278

 

[TR_123456]

MSB R&D is showcasing the ONUR turboshaft helicopter engine for the first time at SAHA2026

Power: 1550hp
Output speed: 700rpm
Pressure ratio: 7.4
Weight: 310 kg

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2052084692317356278

Why when we have the TS1400 already,why not develop a bigger one with at least 2500hp power for the bigger helicopters?
What a dumb logic.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Then presumably MoD R&D somehow has 1000+ personnel working on design, manufacturing, assembly and testing just for this engine.

Are those imaginary personnel in the same room, can you see them, can you see job-openings for those positions?

Or is it the deus-ex-machina appearing out of thin air to break ice, and support someone's promotion.

This is pure betrayal, nothing more, nothing less.

how do u know bro?! that u and many other talk bullshit here , u are the same that back than told , KAAN was kalorifer part .
Perhaps there arw no 1000+ personnel but just 1 MİT personel with USB delivering F110 bluprint to goberment .
Msb arge can use any military factory , who can stop them ? they are goverment , state not private company .

 

[uçuyorum]

how do u know bro?! that u and many other talk bullshit here , u are the same that back than told , KAAN was kalorifer part .
Perhaps there arw no 1000+ personnel but just 1 MİT personel with USB delivering F110 bluprint to goberment .
Msb arge can use any military factory , who can stop them ? they are goverment , state not private company .

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2052091136907387272

as a direct answer

 

[Huelague]

https://www.tinker.af.mil/News/Photos/igphoto/2000984822/

Damn, WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY???

What is?

 

[uçuyorum]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2052091136907387272

as a direct answer

Or this

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2051774727153222086

 

[boredaf]

What is?

That is the original of the photo MSB published with the "specifications" of their "engine". They couldn't even be arsed to get some 3d model made, they stole a photo, erased the background and the technician and used it.

 

[boredaf]

how do u know bro?! that u and many other talk bullshit here , u are the same that back than told , KAAN was kalorifer part .
Perhaps there arw no 1000+ personnel but just 1 MİT personel with USB delivering F110 bluprint to goberment .
Msb arge can use any military factory , who can stop them ? they are goverment , state not private company .

Do you seriously have no critical thinking skills or capability to apply basic logic to what you see or hear? Even if (and that is one giant, mountain sized IF) you somehow steal the blueprints, this is not a fucking toaster that anyone can just build.

Why am I even trying, this is an utter waste of time.

 

[Turkic]

Why when we have the TS1400 already,why not develop a bigger one with at least 2500hp power for the bigger helicopters?
What a dumb logic.

Well, at this point all I can say is what you ask for will be in SAHA 2027

 

[Pokemonte13]

Well, at this point all I can say is what you ask for will be in SAHA 2027

Idef 2027