TR Propulsion Systems

[begturan]

If such nonsense exists, who allowed it? This can't be solely due to a political election campaign! If Güçhan is bs, then Yıldırımhan must be bs too! This series of absurdities will turn Türkiye into a second Iran. let's hope there's a logical explanation for what's happening...

 

[boredaf]

This can't be solely due to a political election campaign!

Can't be? Remember the husk of "T929" they flew?

 

[Merzifonlu]

If such nonsense exists, who allowed it? This can't be solely due to a political election campaign! If Güçhan is bs, then Yıldırımhan must be bs too! This series of absurdities will turn Türkiye into a second Iran. let's hope there's a logical explanation for what's happening...

I can't say anything about the missile. Unlike the turbofan engine model, the missile model on display has the dimensions of a missile capable of achieving what they claim.

As for the engine, the situation is tragicomic. What they displayed was a plain F110 engine. (Not even a copy, they displayed a used F110!!) The values they claimed were achieved with only core revisions belong to a massive engine like the F135. No matter how much you improve the core, you can't get the thrust of an F135 from an engine the size of an F110.

With the best intentions, I can say they made a terrible communication error.

 

[Samba]

I can't say anything about the missile. Unlike the turbofan engine model, the missile model on display has the dimensions of a missile capable of achieving what they claim.

As for the engine, the situation is tragicomic. What they displayed was a plain F110 engine. (Not even a copy, they displayed a used F110!!) The values they claimed were achieved with only core revisions belong to a massive engine like the F135. No matter how much you improve the core, you can't get the thrust of an F135 from an engine the size of an F110.

With the best intentions, I can say they made a terrible communication error.

What I understand from GÜÇHAN is if -and very likely- USD does not give us F110 engines for some reason, we will use GÜÇHAN... It is indiginous secret engine right. It is not F110. It is GÜÇHAN...

 

[Anmdt]

I can't say anything about the missile. Unlike the turbofan engine model, the missile model on display has the dimensions of a missile capable of achieving what they claim.

As for the engine, the situation is tragicomic. What they displayed was a plain F110 engine. (Not even a copy, they displayed a used F110!!) The values they claimed were achieved with only core revisions belong to a massive engine like the F135. No matter how much you improve the core, you can't get the thrust of an F135 from an engine the size of an F110.

With the best intentions, I can say they made a terrible communication error.

We shall point out the fact that, MSB Ar&Ge possibly is not the "ArGe ve teknik hizmetler daire başkanlığı" of the TSK. MSB Ar&Ge is a new R&D office launched by civilian faction of the ministry.

I would also bet they hire retirees, and drop-outs, the ones that fails to get a position in proper companies. Let's also admit the fact that 99.9% of the retiree's or drop outs from the TSK maintenance divisions wouldn't spend a day unemployed.

Sadly we are dealing 0.01 that fits to :"Baltaya sap olamamış".

That Mrs. Kuzulu, is not different to a charlatan, she is not knowledgeable on whatever she is talking about, far from being a "director" millions of miles away.

Same goes for the ICBM, sadly. The typical R&D cycle of the Turkish Armed Forces goes throuhg:
ArGe Teknik division points out the necessity and outsources the R&D (or Technology Transfer injection) in dedicated companies, institutions, outlying what they need, when they need, how they need. From that point on SSB / MSB tracks the progress, the R&D then utilized for products that serve to TSK's needs. It has been like this, since Turkish Defense Industry has properly taken a shape from 80s.

MSB ArGe, however, is nothing. They merely have few computers, access to some left overs, access to a 3D modeler. Likely been burning money in last 5 years abruptly.

 

[Samba]

I also believe that the Güçhan 42000 is likely a rebranded F-110 engine, assembled through global MRO channels using overhauls, spare parts and proprietary components (e.g. the cold section) – a ‘Frankenstein’ engine.
The whole display at SAHA 2026 serves only to demonstrate that this is a new engine; thus, the burden of proof lies with the US to show that it is an F-110 in a different casing.
But without access to the engine, they would have to file a lawsuit in a Turkish court to gain access to the engine and prove patent and licence infringements – a process likely to take years; thus, with the TF-35000, TEI theoretically had enough time to bring the engine into series production by 2032+ to replace the Güçhan.

Exactly my thoughts....

 

[Pokemonte13]

We shall point out the fact that, MSB Ar&Ge possibly is not the "ArGe ve teknik hizmetler daire başkanlığı" of the TSK. MSB Ar&Ge is a new R&D office launched by civilian faction of the ministry.

I would also bet they hire retirees, and drop-outs, the ones that fails to get a position in proper companies. Let's also admit the fact that 99.9% of the retiree's or drop outs from the TSK maintenance divisions wouldn't spend a day unemployed.

Sadly we are dealing 0.01 that fits to :"Baltaya sap olamamış".

That Mrs. Kuzulu, is not different to a charlatan, she is not knowledgeable on whatever she is talking about, far from being a "director" millions of miles away.

Same goes for the ICBM, sadly. The typical R&D cycle of the Turkish Armed Forces goes throuhg:
ArGe Teknik division points out the necessity and outsources the R&D (or Technology Transfer injection) in dedicated companies, institutions, outlying what they need, when they need, how they need. From that point on SSB / MSB tracks the progress, the R&D then utilized for products that serve to TSK's needs. It has been like this, since Turkish Defense Industry has properly taken a shape from 80s.

MSB ArGe, however, is nothing. They merely have few computers, access to some left overs, access to a 3D modeler. Likely been burning money in last 5 years abruptly.

what about neb 2 hayalet and the other ''simpler'' stuff? i think they should just improve upon the system they have like artillery rockets and munition.

 

[Anmdt]

what about neb 2 hayalet and the other ''simpler'' stuff? i think they should just improve upon the system they have like artillery rockets and munition.

Possibly MSB Ar&Ge claiming the work of some other TSK department.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Possibly MSB Ar&Ge claiming the work of some other TSK department.

true

 

[Anmdt]

Meet the director of MSB ArGe:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2052153248480367012

She spelled lbf as: "libre-feet".
End of story.

 

[Fairon]

Those tests feel like an eternity, but it is what it is.

TEI GM Prof. Dr. Mahmut Faruk Akşit:
TS1400 is actually flight-ready with all the tests and similar processes currently being conducted; we are in the third (3rd) and final stage of certification.
If there are no hitches, God willing, we expect to complete the certification process next year.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2052723638294503622

Next year?

 

[boredaf]

Next year?

18 months.

 

[AlperTunga]

We shall point out the fact that, MSB Ar&Ge possibly is not the "ArGe ve teknik hizmetler daire başkanlığı" of the TSK. MSB Ar&Ge is a new R&D office launched by civilian faction of the ministry.

I would also bet they hire retirees, and drop-outs, the ones that fails to get a position in proper companies. Let's also admit the fact that 99.9% of the retiree's or drop outs from the TSK maintenance divisions wouldn't spend a day unemployed.

Sadly we are dealing 0.01 that fits to :"Baltaya sap olamamış".

That Mrs. Kuzulu, is not different to a charlatan, she is not knowledgeable on whatever she is talking about, far from being a "director" millions of miles away.

Same goes for the ICBM, sadly. The typical R&D cycle of the Turkish Armed Forces goes throuhg:
ArGe Teknik division points out the necessity and outsources the R&D (or Technology Transfer injection) in dedicated companies, institutions, outlying what they need, when they need, how they need. From that point on SSB / MSB tracks the progress, the R&D then utilized for products that serve to TSK's needs. It has been like this, since Turkish Defense Industry has properly taken a shape from 80s.

MSB ArGe, however, is nothing. They merely have few computers, access to some left overs, access to a 3D modeler. Likely been burning money in last 5 years abruptly.

That Mrs. Kuzulu may be a good engineer, I cannot judge. But I dont get her logic. She was saying in the interview we got the fuel right we are able to produce it. We also got the explosives so we thought it is time now to share our 6000km missile with the public!!! So in her (and MoD‘s) view the missile is soon ready to be fired! Indeed, this may be the case but where and how it will land we‘ll see .

Regarding Güchan yes it can be a desperate attempt to influence US, but then I cannot explain the heli engine they presented. Why on earth we need it, I thought TEI already built it. Are we somehow in the wrong movie??

 

[AlperTunga]

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Those tests feel like an eternity, but it is what it is.

TEI GM Prof. Dr. Mahmut Faruk Akşit:
TS1400 is actually flight-ready with all the tests and similar processes currently being conducted; we are in the third (3rd) and final stage of certification.
If there are no hitches, God willing, we expect to complete the certification process next year.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2052723638294503622

I am also a bit disillusioned by him. The certification of that heli engine took way too long. Time will tell how good his team is, though, I hope they succeed.

 

[Huelague]

If such nonsense exists, who allowed it? This can't be solely due to a political election campaign! If Güçhan is bs, then Yıldırımhan must be bs too! This series of absurdities will turn Türkiye into a second Iran. let's hope there's a logical explanation for what's happening...

ICBM is more likely, if you managed liquid fuel, MRBM and multistaging.

 

[Merzifonlu]

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I am also a bit disillusioned by him. The certification of that heli engine took way too long. Time will tell how good his team is, though, I hope they succeed.

The certifying body (EASA) is an EU body. Even if they don't have problems with us, they are incredibly inefficient. I suggest you direct your disappointment to EASA.

 

[Zafer]

Tolga Özbek interviews Mr Mahmut Akşit with many details

 

[AlperTunga]

The certifying body (EASA) is an EU body. Even if they don't have problems with us, they are incredibly inefficient. I suggest you direct your disappointment to EASA.

Weird that the engine of our heli is being certified by EU, didn‘t know that. I take my statement back.

 

[Sanchez]

Weird that the engine of our heli is being certified by EU, didn‘t know that. I take my statement back.

EASA certification in question is accepted in anywhere in the world except US and possibly China. We want to see it over the world. There's also the question about insurance for civilian users etc. It was nonetheless a very arduous and maybe a delayed project. But it is on track.

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By the way, you'll see that Erdoğan didn't visit the MSB Arge booth to see our new ICBM and the 42k turbofan engine. Hopefully heads will roll in the coming months for this horrible curse on our senses and brains.

 

[Zafer]

FAA mostly accept EASA certification and vice versa.