TR Propulsion Systems

[Ripley]

They have overshadowed and ruined a very good expo, ….

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Here is one of my favorites from SAHA 26, among many others.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2052428794246430780

Remember how we were talking about Japanese delegation visiting Baykar while back and they were saying that they were “learning” from us! Also how they were seriously considering TB-2 and TB-3! All those followed up by this, we should be talking and speculating about this and maybe declaring a forum holiday or something.

And yet, look where they’ve rolled us down now, the bottom of a **** hole.

Literally, delinin biri kuyuya bir taş attı, and you know the rest.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Seems my theory is somewhat real. It's an f110 clone, or it's an honest to god f110.

There was some chatter on the forum about our lack of engines and how we would get over it if Americans imposed an embargo. I remember people saying unlicensed f110 production would be beyond the pale. This "Güçhan" (cringe name btw) might well be the answer. Even if this particular engine is not a Turkish production (meaning a complete sham), this is basically us declaring our intent to put an f110 clone in KAAN. And let's be real, I have complete trust in TEI, TRmotor and other companies to be able to actually clone an f110 in 2 years tops.

I'm gonna be a little controversial and say we can produce a complete F-16 from scratch right now and if a US embargo happens, there is no real reason we shouldn't.

I also believe that the Güçhan 42000 is likely a rebranded F-110 engine, assembled through global MRO channels using overhauls, spare parts and proprietary components (e.g. the cold section) – a ‘Frankenstein’ engine.
The whole display at SAHA 2026 serves only to demonstrate that this is a new engine; thus, the burden of proof lies with the US to show that it is an F-110 in a different casing.
But without access to the engine, they would have to file a lawsuit in a Turkish court to gain access to the engine and prove patent and licence infringements – a process likely to take years; thus, with the TF-35000, TEI theoretically had enough time to bring the engine into series production by 2032+ to replace the Güçhan.

 

[uçuyorum]

If you guys don't understand what a "theory" is, don't try to theorize anything.

 

[Sanchez]

MSB R&D is showcasing the ONUR turboshaft helicopter engine for the first time at SAHA2026

Power: 1550hp
Output speed: 700rpm
Pressure ratio: 7.4
Weight: 310 kg

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2052084692317356278

Oh, that's a Lycoming T53. I think someone is trying to replace Görgün as R&D chief and SSB as main coordinator for R&D. No other way to see this.

 

[Huelague]

Erdogan officially declared they reject not having nukes on TV.

Hakan Fidan.

 

[Huelague]

Dear brothers & sisters, fellows.

Güçhan is nothing but a sham. The engine present in the fair is exactly F110, a used one with visible tear, paints, polishing.

I strongly advise you to not follow some liars, propagandists and traitors who attempts to divide us - blindly, appoint to your intellect, conscience and lastly spider senses.

TurAF has unmatching ,in global theathre, factory / depot level maintenance capabilities, even the leading companies of aircraft, uav, engine designer and manufacturers camp at the bases to learn from technicians and skilled people, and the culture. Yet, this capability has nothing to do with designing an engine from scratch, or testing a newly made engine, nor integrating it to an aircraft.

Designing, manufacturing, certifying an engine takes a collective effort among TurAF maintenance teams, TEI excellence, Tübitak material casting and TRMotors assistance in accessories. Where this MSB Ar&Ge is nothing that you expect.

Ok, but what was the intention to showcase a "copy"?

 

[Merzifonlu]

Ok, but what was the intention to showcase a "copy"?

This is probably a veiled message to the USA: "If you don't sell us the F-110s, we'll copy them, and we've already copied six." But I think it contains a major technical misjudgment. Copying jet engines is harder than manufacturing the engine itself. They'll notice it during the qualification test.

 

[Anmdt]

Companies themselves doesnt need to know. Company like TEI fully knowing means GE knowing about Güçhan thus USA.

What is the point of any secret project if you cant recruit your own scientists or ask them questions without permission of America? MSB Ar-ge has an equivalent in America may be you have heard about it. Its called freaking DARPA !

So Güçhan is no joke, neither is YıldırımHan which relies on simply mixing 2 HIGHLY reactive liquids. A simple design once you master chemical mass production steps. This is the same reaction powers Russian liquid fuel ICBMS. It is a well proven and a very old method. It is all very real. Nukes ICBMS are ancient techs. We chould have had these decades ago. But political will was subservient not independent.

I don't know how much you are being paid, or funded to what extends that you don't feel ashamed to spread this BS.

 

[Anmdt]

Ok, but what was the intention to showcase a "copy"?

Stealing the scene, "attention", securing someone's promotion, receiving "funds" to "distribute" among some people who has zero background knowledge on the matter, i also bet it is someone that likely wasn't hired in / appointed at Roketsan / TEI. I bet the motive is 90% individual while 10% is being manipulated and orchestrated by a greater mind that takes advantage of personal corruption and abuses it for slashing the prestige of Turkish Defense Industry.

 

[begturan]

If such nonsense exists, who allowed it? This can't be solely due to a political election campaign! If Güçhan is bs, then Yıldırımhan must be bs too! This series of absurdities will turn Türkiye into a second Iran. let's hope there's a logical explanation for what's happening...

 

[boredaf]

This can't be solely due to a political election campaign!

Can't be? Remember the husk of "T929" they flew?

 

[Merzifonlu]

If such nonsense exists, who allowed it? This can't be solely due to a political election campaign! If Güçhan is bs, then Yıldırımhan must be bs too! This series of absurdities will turn Türkiye into a second Iran. let's hope there's a logical explanation for what's happening...

I can't say anything about the missile. Unlike the turbofan engine model, the missile model on display has the dimensions of a missile capable of achieving what they claim.

As for the engine, the situation is tragicomic. What they displayed was a plain F110 engine. (Not even a copy, they displayed a used F110!!) The values they claimed were achieved with only core revisions belong to a massive engine like the F135. No matter how much you improve the core, you can't get the thrust of an F135 from an engine the size of an F110.

With the best intentions, I can say they made a terrible communication error.

 

[Samba]

I can't say anything about the missile. Unlike the turbofan engine model, the missile model on display has the dimensions of a missile capable of achieving what they claim.

As for the engine, the situation is tragicomic. What they displayed was a plain F110 engine. (Not even a copy, they displayed a used F110!!) The values they claimed were achieved with only core revisions belong to a massive engine like the F135. No matter how much you improve the core, you can't get the thrust of an F135 from an engine the size of an F110.

With the best intentions, I can say they made a terrible communication error.

What I understand from GÜÇHAN is if -and very likely- USD does not give us F110 engines for some reason, we will use GÜÇHAN... It is indiginous secret engine right. It is not F110. It is GÜÇHAN...

 

[Anmdt]

I can't say anything about the missile. Unlike the turbofan engine model, the missile model on display has the dimensions of a missile capable of achieving what they claim.

As for the engine, the situation is tragicomic. What they displayed was a plain F110 engine. (Not even a copy, they displayed a used F110!!) The values they claimed were achieved with only core revisions belong to a massive engine like the F135. No matter how much you improve the core, you can't get the thrust of an F135 from an engine the size of an F110.

With the best intentions, I can say they made a terrible communication error.

We shall point out the fact that, MSB Ar&Ge possibly is not the "ArGe ve teknik hizmetler daire başkanlığı" of the TSK. MSB Ar&Ge is a new R&D office launched by civilian faction of the ministry.

I would also bet they hire retirees, and drop-outs, the ones that fails to get a position in proper companies. Let's also admit the fact that 99.9% of the retiree's or drop outs from the TSK maintenance divisions wouldn't spend a day unemployed.

Sadly we are dealing 0.01 that fits to :"Baltaya sap olamamış".

That Mrs. Kuzulu, is not different to a charlatan, she is not knowledgeable on whatever she is talking about, far from being a "director" millions of miles away.

Same goes for the ICBM, sadly. The typical R&D cycle of the Turkish Armed Forces goes throuhg:
ArGe Teknik division points out the necessity and outsources the R&D (or Technology Transfer injection) in dedicated companies, institutions, outlying what they need, when they need, how they need. From that point on SSB / MSB tracks the progress, the R&D then utilized for products that serve to TSK's needs. It has been like this, since Turkish Defense Industry has properly taken a shape from 80s.

MSB ArGe, however, is nothing. They merely have few computers, access to some left overs, access to a 3D modeler. Likely been burning money in last 5 years abruptly.

 

[Samba]

I also believe that the Güçhan 42000 is likely a rebranded F-110 engine, assembled through global MRO channels using overhauls, spare parts and proprietary components (e.g. the cold section) – a ‘Frankenstein’ engine.
The whole display at SAHA 2026 serves only to demonstrate that this is a new engine; thus, the burden of proof lies with the US to show that it is an F-110 in a different casing.
But without access to the engine, they would have to file a lawsuit in a Turkish court to gain access to the engine and prove patent and licence infringements – a process likely to take years; thus, with the TF-35000, TEI theoretically had enough time to bring the engine into series production by 2032+ to replace the Güçhan.

Exactly my thoughts....

 

[Pokemonte13]

We shall point out the fact that, MSB Ar&Ge possibly is not the "ArGe ve teknik hizmetler daire başkanlığı" of the TSK. MSB Ar&Ge is a new R&D office launched by civilian faction of the ministry.

I would also bet they hire retirees, and drop-outs, the ones that fails to get a position in proper companies. Let's also admit the fact that 99.9% of the retiree's or drop outs from the TSK maintenance divisions wouldn't spend a day unemployed.

Sadly we are dealing 0.01 that fits to :"Baltaya sap olamamış".

That Mrs. Kuzulu, is not different to a charlatan, she is not knowledgeable on whatever she is talking about, far from being a "director" millions of miles away.

Same goes for the ICBM, sadly. The typical R&D cycle of the Turkish Armed Forces goes throuhg:
ArGe Teknik division points out the necessity and outsources the R&D (or Technology Transfer injection) in dedicated companies, institutions, outlying what they need, when they need, how they need. From that point on SSB / MSB tracks the progress, the R&D then utilized for products that serve to TSK's needs. It has been like this, since Turkish Defense Industry has properly taken a shape from 80s.

MSB ArGe, however, is nothing. They merely have few computers, access to some left overs, access to a 3D modeler. Likely been burning money in last 5 years abruptly.

what about neb 2 hayalet and the other ''simpler'' stuff? i think they should just improve upon the system they have like artillery rockets and munition.

 

[Anmdt]

what about neb 2 hayalet and the other ''simpler'' stuff? i think they should just improve upon the system they have like artillery rockets and munition.

Possibly MSB Ar&Ge claiming the work of some other TSK department.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Possibly MSB Ar&Ge claiming the work of some other TSK department.

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