TR Propulsion Systems

[Oublious]

What is the chance that they have copied the F-16 engine?

 

[DBdev]

I get the disbelief. Even among "experts"

But Güçhan is no fake. Neither is YıldırımHan nor nuclear weapons program I have been telling you that existed for decades even though Erdogan officially declared they reject not having nukes on TV. People still can't believe it.

Military is secretive especially about a secret project. Nothing like Aselsan or TEI. It is need to know basis.
Even if a general doesnt need to know, he wouldnt know about development of Guchan let alone twitter defence "experts".
So disbelief is normal. Israel was getting belligerent against us and KAAN is about to fly so we finally got to know about it.
Yıldırımhan 6000km range and the point it targets in video fits Diego Garcia. Where US-Israel forces launch their heaviest bombers against the Muslim nations.
Remember the video of Azap had timestamp from 2016. Ten years later we finally needed to know even though it was used countless times against PKK tunnels. So, surprise world!..

3000 kg version would have 10 times the destructive power of single Azap according to Kuzulu. And by reducing the payload same missile can reach 10.000 km with 3- 300 kiloton nukes. So bye bye greater Israel project...

Güçhan fits definition of a "secret project" that have been running for the past 10 years. I believe biggest advantages MSB has are TEI-TRMotor single crystal blade development know-how, with no bureaucracy and near limitless instant funds of MSB secret projects. They also have experience of repairing, upgrading, modifying thousands of aero engines including best of the best: GE engines like F-110.

Kuzulu said even though from outside it resembles F-110 it is very different design inside.
F-135 F-110 and Güchan all have the same diameter so no it doesnt have to be larger like many twitter "experts" say it just has to push more air and with greater hot section temps than F-110. What if that lowers life time to half? Who cares this is do or die time for Turkiye...

https://www.msb.gov.tr/Content/Upload/Docs/AFGM Katalog TR_2025_mini.pdf

 

[uçuyorum]

I get the disbelief. Even among "experts"

But Güçhan is no fake. Neither is YıldırımHan nor nuclear weapons program I have been telling you that existed for decades even though Erdogan officially declared they reject not having nukes on TV. People still can't believe it.

Military is secretive especially about a secret project. Nothing like Aselsan or TEI. It is need to know basis.
Even if a general doesnt need to know, he wouldnt know about development of Guchan let alone twitter defence "experts".
So disbelief is normal. Israel was getting belligerent against us and KAAN is about to fly so we finally got to know about it.
Yıldırımhan 6000km range and the point it targets in video fits Diego Garcia. Where US-Israel forces launch their heaviest bombers against the Muslim nations.
Remember the video of Azap had timestamp from 2016. Ten years later we finally needed to know even though it was used countless times against PKK tunnels. So, surprise world!..

3000 kg version would have 10 times the destructive power of single Azap according to Kuzulu. And by reducing the payload same missile can reach 10.000 km with 3- 300 kiloton nukes. So bye bye greater Israel project...

Güçhan fits definition of a "secret project" that have been running for the past 10 years. I believe biggest advantages MSB has are TEI-TRMotor single crystal blade development know-how, with no bureaucracy and near limitless instant funds of MSB secret projects. They also have experience of repairing, upgrading, modifying thousands of aero engines including best of the best: GE engines like F-110.

Kuzulu said even though from outside it resembles F-110 it is very different design inside.
F-135 F-110 and Güchan all have the same diameter so no it doesnt have to be larger like many twitter "experts" say it just has to push more air and with greater hot section temps than F-110. What if that lowers life time to half? Who cares this is do or die time for Turkiye...

https://www.msb.gov.tr/Content/Upload/Docs/AFGM Katalog TR_2025_mini.pdf

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It's weird that the only companies with the know how and facilities for production and testing of these don't know about them. Like how are you gonna do these without roketsan, aselsan and sage? Don't those companies work on secret state projects and collaborate on them? How are you gonna test an ICBM without anyone knowing? I find it hard to believe that this is anything more than a conceptual or semi technical design on a cad document as of yet, if even that. Who developed the warhead for atmospheric re entry? And the risk of embargo and political pushback for a system that hasn't even been prototyped... Now you will see even more closed embargo on rocket subsystems.

 

[Anmdt]

Dear brothers & sisters, fellows.

Güçhan is nothing but a sham. The engine present in the fair is exactly F110, a used one with visible tear, paints, polishing.

I strongly advise you to not follow some liars, propagandists and traitors who attempts to divide us - blindly, appoint to your intellect, conscience and lastly spider senses.

TurAF has unmatching ,in global theathre, factory / depot level maintenance capabilities, even the leading companies of aircraft, uav, engine designer and manufacturers camp at the bases to learn from technicians and skilled people, and the culture. Yet, this capability has nothing to do with designing an engine from scratch, or testing a newly made engine, nor integrating it to an aircraft.

Designing, manufacturing, certifying an engine takes a collective effort among TurAF maintenance teams, TEI excellence, Tübitak material casting and TRMotors assistance in accessories. Where this MSB Ar&Ge is nothing that you expect.

 

[Anmdt]

It's weird that the only companies with the know how and facilities for production and testing of these don't know about them. Like how are you gonna do these without roketsan, aselsan and sage? Don't those companies work on secret state projects and collaborate on them? How are you gonna test an ICBM without anyone knowing? I find it hard to believe that this is anything more than a conceptual or semi technical design on a cad document as of yet, if even that. Who developed the warhead for atmospheric re entry? And the risk of embargo and political pushback for a system that hasn't even been prototyped... Now you will see even more closed embargo on rocket subsystems.

It is even funnier that TurAF personnel, SSB officials are equally bamboozled as we are with the 'reveal'.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Dear brothers & sisters, fellows.

Güçhan is nothing but a sham.

So is the turbo shaft engine.
It's a Lycoming T53-L-13

 

[Ripley]

Just to support @Anmdt , another expert‘s view.

Mr. Mevlütoğlu AKA ORKO is an engineer with many published articles and well known defence industry expert who is invited to conferences all over the world.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2052433840967213539

“All the visible parts of the engine are F110. Not a copy or derivative, but the F110 itself. As for what kind of magic is in its invisible parts, my knowledge doesn't suffice. As for what I've heard from the stakeholders [*collabraters/colleagues] in our engine ecosystem, I can't relay those—it would be rude to the reader.”

 

[Khagan1923]

Dear brothers & sisters, fellows.

Güçhan is nothing but a sham. The engine present in the fair is exactly F110, a used one with visible tear, paints, polishing.

I strongly advise you to not follow some liars, propagandists and traitors who attempts to divide us - blindly, appoint to your intellect, conscience and lastly spider senses.

TurAF has unmatching ,in global theathre, factory / depot level maintenance capabilities, even the leading companies of aircraft, uav, engine designer and manufacturers camp at the bases to learn from technicians and skilled people, and the culture. Yet, this capability has nothing to do with designing an engine from scratch, or testing a newly made engine, nor integrating it to an aircraft.

Designing, manufacturing, certifying an engine takes a collective effort among TurAF maintenance teams, TEI excellence, Tübitak material casting and TRMotors assistance in accessories. Where this MSB Ar&Ge is nothing that you expect.

They have overshadowed and ruined a very good expo, the amounts of actual real new development and products is staggering but MSB Arge just had to shit all over it.

Im sure in a couple months we will know the truth behind this clown show.

 

[DBdev]

Companies themselves doesnt need to know. Company like TEI fully knowing means GE knowing about Güçhan thus USA.

What is the point of any secret project if you cant recruit your own scientists or ask them questions without permission of America? MSB Ar-ge has an equivalent in America may be you have heard about it. Its called freaking DARPA !

So Güçhan is no joke, neither is YıldırımHan which relies on simply mixing 2 HIGHLY reactive liquids. A simple design once you master chemical mass production steps. This is the same reaction powers Russian liquid fuel ICBMS. It is a well proven and a very old method. It is all very real. Nukes ICBMS are ancient techs. We chould have had these decades ago. But political will was subservient not independent.

 

[YeşilVatan]

Guys. I have a theory.

This engine is an f110 clone with slight differences. It does not have 42k lbf thrust, maybe 30-36k.

The reason it was built outside of TEI is to throw off Americans/for plausible deniability.

This is basically KAAN's insurance.

And this is my theory.

Seems my theory is somewhat real. It's an f110 clone, or it's an honest to god f110.

There was some chatter on the forum about our lack of engines and how we would get over it if Americans imposed an embargo. I remember people saying unlicensed f110 production would be beyond the pale. This "Güçhan" (cringe name btw) might well be the answer. Even if this particular engine is not a Turkish production (meaning a complete sham), this is basically us declaring our intent to put an f110 clone in KAAN. And let's be real, I have complete trust in TEI, TRmotor and other companies to be able to actually clone an f110 in 2 years tops.

I'm gonna be a little controversial and say we can produce a complete F-16 from scratch right now and if a US embargo happens, there is no real reason we shouldn't.

 

[DBdev]

About the name of new engine being GÜÇ-HAN. It makes perfect sense if you know about what KAAN means.

KAAN means king of kings. KHan of KHans. A System of Systems in tech realm.

KAAN has GÖK-HAN missile system and now GÜÇ-HAN power sytem.
Once we add laser weapons as part of 6th gen upgrades.
That could be called IŞIK-HAN etc.

Very cool and smart indeed.

 

[Ripley]

They have overshadowed and ruined a very good expo, ….

100%

Here is one of my favorites from SAHA 26, among many others.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2052428794246430780

Remember how we were talking about Japanese delegation visiting Baykar while back and they were saying that they were “learning” from us! Also how they were seriously considering TB-2 and TB-3! All those followed up by this, we should be talking and speculating about this and maybe declaring a forum holiday or something.

And yet, look where they’ve rolled us down now, the bottom of a **** hole.

Literally, delinin biri kuyuya bir taş attı, and you know the rest.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Seems my theory is somewhat real. It's an f110 clone, or it's an honest to god f110.

There was some chatter on the forum about our lack of engines and how we would get over it if Americans imposed an embargo. I remember people saying unlicensed f110 production would be beyond the pale. This "Güçhan" (cringe name btw) might well be the answer. Even if this particular engine is not a Turkish production (meaning a complete sham), this is basically us declaring our intent to put an f110 clone in KAAN. And let's be real, I have complete trust in TEI, TRmotor and other companies to be able to actually clone an f110 in 2 years tops.

I'm gonna be a little controversial and say we can produce a complete F-16 from scratch right now and if a US embargo happens, there is no real reason we shouldn't.

I also believe that the Güçhan 42000 is likely a rebranded F-110 engine, assembled through global MRO channels using overhauls, spare parts and proprietary components (e.g. the cold section) – a ‘Frankenstein’ engine.
The whole display at SAHA 2026 serves only to demonstrate that this is a new engine; thus, the burden of proof lies with the US to show that it is an F-110 in a different casing.
But without access to the engine, they would have to file a lawsuit in a Turkish court to gain access to the engine and prove patent and licence infringements – a process likely to take years; thus, with the TF-35000, TEI theoretically had enough time to bring the engine into series production by 2032+ to replace the Güçhan.

 

[uçuyorum]

If you guys don't understand what a "theory" is, don't try to theorize anything.

 

[Sanchez]

MSB R&D is showcasing the ONUR turboshaft helicopter engine for the first time at SAHA2026

Power: 1550hp
Output speed: 700rpm
Pressure ratio: 7.4
Weight: 310 kg

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2052084692317356278

Oh, that's a Lycoming T53. I think someone is trying to replace Görgün as R&D chief and SSB as main coordinator for R&D. No other way to see this.

 

[Huelague]

Erdogan officially declared they reject not having nukes on TV.

Hakan Fidan.

 

[Huelague]

Dear brothers & sisters, fellows.

Güçhan is nothing but a sham. The engine present in the fair is exactly F110, a used one with visible tear, paints, polishing.

I strongly advise you to not follow some liars, propagandists and traitors who attempts to divide us - blindly, appoint to your intellect, conscience and lastly spider senses.

TurAF has unmatching ,in global theathre, factory / depot level maintenance capabilities, even the leading companies of aircraft, uav, engine designer and manufacturers camp at the bases to learn from technicians and skilled people, and the culture. Yet, this capability has nothing to do with designing an engine from scratch, or testing a newly made engine, nor integrating it to an aircraft.

Designing, manufacturing, certifying an engine takes a collective effort among TurAF maintenance teams, TEI excellence, Tübitak material casting and TRMotors assistance in accessories. Where this MSB Ar&Ge is nothing that you expect.

Ok, but what was the intention to showcase a "copy"?

 

[Merzifonlu]

Ok, but what was the intention to showcase a "copy"?

This is probably a veiled message to the USA: "If you don't sell us the F-110s, we'll copy them, and we've already copied six." But I think it contains a major technical misjudgment. Copying jet engines is harder than manufacturing the engine itself. They'll notice it during the qualification test.

 

[Anmdt]

Companies themselves doesnt need to know. Company like TEI fully knowing means GE knowing about Güçhan thus USA.

What is the point of any secret project if you cant recruit your own scientists or ask them questions without permission of America? MSB Ar-ge has an equivalent in America may be you have heard about it. Its called freaking DARPA !

So Güçhan is no joke, neither is YıldırımHan which relies on simply mixing 2 HIGHLY reactive liquids. A simple design once you master chemical mass production steps. This is the same reaction powers Russian liquid fuel ICBMS. It is a well proven and a very old method. It is all very real. Nukes ICBMS are ancient techs. We chould have had these decades ago. But political will was subservient not independent.

I don't know how much you are being paid, or funded to what extends that you don't feel ashamed to spread this BS.

 

[Anmdt]

Ok, but what was the intention to showcase a "copy"?

Stealing the scene, "attention", securing someone's promotion, receiving "funds" to "distribute" among some people who has zero background knowledge on the matter, i also bet it is someone that likely wasn't hired in / appointed at Roketsan / TEI. I bet the motive is 90% individual while 10% is being manipulated and orchestrated by a greater mind that takes advantage of personal corruption and abuses it for slashing the prestige of Turkish Defense Industry.