TR Land Vehicle Programs

[Sanchez]

More ZAHA/MAV and Pars Scouts to be ordered during SAHA. I wonder if they will order more IFV variant Scouts for special forces maybe.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2051385723534626919

 

[Pokemonte13]

More ZAHA/MAV and Pars Scouts to be ordered during SAHA. I wonder if they will order more IFV variant Scouts for special forces maybe.
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2051385723534626919

Pars Izci slowly becoming our patria 6x6 alternative nice. Alway thought we needed a lighter apc

 

[Strong AI]

The 100th vehicle delivery ceremony under the ÖMTTZA program was held with the participation of T.C. Defense Industry Deputy President Mustafa Şeker and representatives from the Gendarmerie and Land Forces Command representing the Turkish Armed Forces Needs Authority.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2051645786912362770

 

[Pokemonte13]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2051998035907846291

 

[Sanchez]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2051998035907846291

337 more Scouts to be incurred for land forces. We should learn details in the coming days.

 

[Pokemonte13]

337 more Scouts to be incurred for land forces. We should learn details in the coming days.

And Faz 2 for Zaha

 

[Sanchez]

And Faz 2 for Zaha

Current number(27?) was not even enough for the previous single brigade; so this was always expected. Now we have 2+1.

 

[Strong AI]

Modernized Leo2A4 tanks will begin to be delivered to the Turkish Land Forces Command in the second half of this year.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2052128082564132898

 

[boredaf]

I can't fucking believe they released this information about E-ZPT of their own volition.

150 km (battery) / 650 km (generator) range, 20%–80% fast charging: 1.5 hours,

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2012480228824600879

MKE E-ZPT ilk kez sergilendi

Türkiye’nin ilk Elektrikli Zırhlı Personel Taşıyıcısı (E-ZPT), İstanbul Fuar Merkezi’nde ilk kez görücüye çıktı.

www.defenceturk.net

So, without a generator it has 1/3 range of an M113, and to have better range it needs a generator, negating all of its supposed benefits. And that charging time is abysmal for an armoured vehicle that might have to leave at a moments notice.

 

[Bogeyman]

I can't fucking believe they released this information about E-ZPT of their own volition.

150 km (battery) / 650 km (generator) range, 20%–80% fast charging: 1.5 hours,

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2012480228824600879

MKE E-ZPT ilk kez sergilendi

Türkiye’nin ilk Elektrikli Zırhlı Personel Taşıyıcısı (E-ZPT), İstanbul Fuar Merkezi’nde ilk kez görücüye çıktı.

www.defenceturk.net

So, without a generator it has 1/3 range of an M113, and to have better range it needs a generator, negating all of its supposed benefits. And that charging time is abysmal for an armoured vehicle that might have to leave at a moments notice.

Electric motors require much less maintenance than internal combustion engines. There are no oil problems. They don't require a gearbox, etc.

 

[boredaf]

Electric motors require much less maintenance than internal combustion engines. There are no oil problems. They don't require a gearbox, etc.

Not bloody worth it if you ask me with the hilariously short range and long charging time.

 

[Bogeyman]

Not bloody worth it if you ask me with the hilariously short range and long charging time.

The ability to transport APCs using tank carrier vehicles solves the problem behind the front lines. On the front lines, just as we send tankers behind the tanks for fuel logistics, we will send generators for the electric motorized APCs.

 

[boredaf]

The ability to transport APCs using tank carrier vehicles solves the problem behind the front lines. On the front lines, just as we send tankers behind the tanks for fuel logistics, we will send generators for the electric motorized APCs.

So, we are going to unnecessarily increase the logistical and maintenance footprint on the frontline with generators, which will create their own noise and heat btw, and still carry fuel anyway for those generators. And limited range without generators just means they either have very limited operational time and very long down time compared to simply fuelling an APC. Or put generators in and still create heat and noise we are supposed to be solving anyway. And btw, it's not like drones are using heat seeker or "lock on" to sounds or something, it still is an APC that looks like an APC.

 

[Bogeyman]

So, we are going to unnecessarily increase the logistical and maintenance footprint on the frontline with generators, which will create their own noise and heat btw, and still carry fuel anyway for those generators. And limited range without generators just means they either have very limited operational time and very long down time compared to simply fuelling an APC. Or put generators in and still create heat and noise we are supposed to be solving anyway. And btw, it's not like drones are using heat seeker or "lock on" to sounds or something, it still is an APC that looks like an APC.

https://www.isbirelektrik.com.tr/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/taktik-sessiz-kabinli-jenerator.pdf

Electronic warfare systems also use the same generators.

Noise Level 64 dB (7 m) Low Thermal Signature Low Exhaust Temperature, Low Thermal Signature

You are clearly underestimating military-grade generators.

 

[Yasar_TR]

So, without a generator it has 1/3 range of an M113, and to have better range it needs a generator, negating all of its supposed benefits. And that charging time is abysmal for an armoured vehicle that might have to leave at a moments notice.

I think you have got the wrong end of the stick here mate!
Think of Electrodiesel engines used in train locomotives.
You have a diesel generator that produces electricity. That electricity drives the motors at the wheels or tracks of the vehicle. When the vehicle is not using full power, then the same generator charges the batteries. The battery power when fully charged, can only give a range of 150km. But it is silent. But the vehicle can go 650km when electrodiesel power keeps charging.
It is a hybrid drive.

E-ZPT’s propulsion concept is best described as electric traction backed by an endurance safety net. Reporting indicates battery packs mounted on both sides of the vehicle support a range of around 150 km, depending on terrain, while an onboard generator feed can extend range to 650 km. Crucially, the same reporting notes the generator can provide feed while the vehicle remains in motion, reducing the operational penalty of relying on stationary charging or fixed infrastructure. This architecture aligns with a central constraint for ground forces: electrification can offer tactical advantages, but maneuver formations still require long-range autonomy across dispersed routes, extended patrol cycles, and contingency redeployments where charging opportunities may be limited or contested.

Türkiye Begins Fielding E-ZPT Electric Armoured Personnel Carrier for Low-Signature Operations

Türkiye delivers its first serial-produced E-ZPT electric APC, marking a quiet but strategic shift in M113 modernization.

www.armyrecognition.com

 

[Saithan]

I also understood it as a Hybrid propulsion system.

I think getting some and using them to gain experience is okay.

But they're not calling it Hybrid.

 

[Yasar_TR]

I also understood it as a Hybrid propulsion system.

I think getting some and using them to gain experience is okay.

But they're not calling it Hybrid.

They are not. True.
But essentially it is a form of hybrid power generation system. However the diesel power is not used. It is only electric power that propels. So they may be partially correct not to call it hybrid.
By using electric power you get many advantages.

1. Very high torque values. It would put a 1500bhp diesel engine’s torque to shame.
2. Longer range. M113 has 480km range. Electric version goes 650km.
3. No transmission. Hence weight saving.
4. Simpler maintenance.
5. During battery power the vehicle is quieter with less heat generation
6. On board diesel generator’s heat output would be a lot less than full diesel power pack’s.
7. Due to electric powertrain’s more efficient design, fuel consumption will be lower.

Check out the first 2021 version prototype’s torque values. They probably developed this new one using the old prototype as a template.

 

[Saithan]

They are not. True.
But essentially it is a form of hybrid power generation system. However the diesel power is not used. It is only electric power that propels. So they may be partially correct not to call it hybrid.
By using electric power you get many advantages.

1. Very high torque values. It would put a 1500bhp diesel engine’s torque to shame.
2. Longer range. M113 has 480km range. Electric version goes 650km.
3. No transmission. Hence weight saving.
4. Simpler maintenance.
5. During battery power the vehicle is quieter with less heat generation
6. On board diesel generator’s heat output would be a lot less than full diesel power pack’s.
7. Due to electric powertrain’s more efficient design, fuel consumption will be lower.

Check out the first 2021 version prototype’s torque values. They probably developed this new one using the old prototype as a template.

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My only worry is like @boredaf that a pure electric solution isn't battletested and we don't know how it'll operate when it's hit.

I mean we saw in early Ukraine war how turkish Kirpi got hit by an FPV, but could still run away with only 3 wheels or so.