TR Attack & Utility Helicopter Programs

[Fairon]

Naval Gökbey will take some time to fill that gap probably 2-3 years

Naval Gökbey can't come soon enough.

 

[Sanchez]

Naval Gökbey will take some time to fill that gap probably 2-3 years

Everyone knows I'm a naysayer and that TAI have shown great flexibility on churning out versions of T625 so far; but the navalized version in only 2-3 years is probably a tiny bit optimistic. I'd say 3-4.

Regardless of the need for T625N in utility and ASW versions, AB212s being retired AFAIK doesn't really create much of a gap. There were almost already being used on old short Mekos; and those ships are now gone. AB212s were old and weren't used in the roles Seahawks are used, for years.

 

[TheInsider]

We should use T-625N with coast guard ships, OPVs and corvettes and Seahawks with frigates and TF-2000. TCG Anadolu and Mugem can have both, but overwhelmingly Seahawks.

 

[Yasar_TR]

We should use T-625N with coast guard ships, OPVs and corvettes and Seahawks with frigates and TF-2000. TCG Anadolu and Mugem can have both, but overwhelmingly Seahawks.

Good idea ! But…
We have 23 Seahawks.
And we will have :
16 frigates (should have more in view of the workload we expect from our naval forces)
4 (may be 8) destroyers
TCG Anadolu needs minimum 2 Seahawks
Mugem will need minimum 2 + 6 Seahawks

Mugem and Anadolu need : 2 for ASW/ASUW , 2-4 for search&rescue
(each US carrier has at least 16 Seahawks, normally 19 with at least 4-5 of them in active duty at any one time away from the platform they serve)
Both Mugem and Anadolu, separately should have, combat and strike Seahawk squadrons made out of at least 8 helicopters.
Only then can we be utilising the full potential of a LHD and a Carrier.

Each Tepe Class Destroyer can accommodate 2 Seahawks.

As can be seen, there is a big shortfall of 8-10 ton class helicopters for our navy.

We urgently need 8-10 ton class helicopters for our navy. The more we can put of these on our LHD and Carrier the more potent the platforms ther serve will become.

Basic workload of a Seahawk or 8-10 ton class helicopter are:

Combat and Warfare Uses

• • Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW)
  • Anti-Surface Warfare (ASUW)
  • Airborne Mine Countermeasures
  • Electronic Warfare

Support and Rescue Uses

• • Search and Rescue
  • Special Operations
  • Vertical Replenishment and Logistics
  • Humanitarian Relief

 

[Fatman17]

Turkish Utility Helicopter Program Renegotiated for Production Restart.

Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) & Lockheed Martin look set to restart assembly of Black Hawk helicopters in Türkiye after a hiatus.

Lockheed Martin will now provide another 39 Black Hawk production kits to support the Turkish Utility Helicopter Program (TUHP) after production was halted last summer after just 38 aircraft out of an expected 109 were produced.
X(Twitter)

 

[UkroTurk]

Good idea ! But…
We have 23 Seahawks.
And we will have :
16 frigates (should have more in view of the workload we expect from our naval forces)
4 (may be 8) destroyers
TCG Anadolu needs minimum 2 Seahawks
Mugem will need minimum 2 + 6 Seahawks

Mugem and Anadolu need : 2 for ASW/ASUW , 2-4 for search&rescue
(each US carrier has at least 16 Seahawks, normally 19 with at least 4-5 of them in active duty at any one time away from the platform they serve)
Both Mugem and Anadolu, separately should have, combat and strike Seahawk squadrons made out of at least 8 helicopters.
Only then can we be utilising the full potential of a LHD and a Carrier.

Each Tepe Class Destroyer can accommodate 2 Seahawks.

As can be seen, there is a big shortfall of 8-10 ton class helicopters for our navy.

We urgently need 8-10 ton class helicopters for our navy. The more we can put of these on our LHD and Carrier the more potent the platforms ther serve will become.

Basic workload of a Seahawk or 8-10 ton class helicopter are:

Combat and Warfare Uses

• • Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW)
  • Anti-Surface Warfare (ASUW)
  • Airborne Mine Countermeasures
  • Electronic Warfare

Support and Rescue Uses

• • Search and Rescue
  • Special Operations
  • Vertical Replenishment and Logistics
  • Humanitarian Relief

It hurts to stand corrected when people 4 years ago were saying "Dipping sonar will be tested on Gökbey very soon".

2026Q3: Neither Dipping sonar, nor Navalized gökbey or any Gökbey has been designed for the dipping sonar was tested.

I wonder if all TN Seahawks equipped with deep sonar. If not , today unmanned helicopters could fulfill this gap with sonobuoy? Could not they?

Royal Navy evaluates rotary wing UAS for anti-submarine warfare role - Navy Lookout

Certo Aerospace successfully demonstrated ASW detect, locate and track capabilities to the Royal Navy using the Capstone rotary wing UAS. The trial highlights how uncrewed systems could play a more significant role in extending the RN’s reach in the underwater battlespace. Conducted under the...

www.navylookout.com

This sonar with 400meter cable weights app230kg. Alpin could tow it?

ALPİN 2'de Değişen Ne Oldu? #savunmasanayii #titra #alpin

Türkiye'nin ilk döner kanatlı insansız hava aracı ALPİN artık daha teknolojik ve işlevsel oldu. Pasifik Holding Yönetim Kurulu Üyesi ve Titra Teknoloji Kuru...

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[Saithan]

Cost wise wouldn't it be cheaper to have a USV do it ?

 

[UkroTurk]

Cost wise wouldn't it be cheaper to have a USV do it ?

For sure USVs will rule future naval battles but still UAVs have some tactical advantages such as speed and rapid detection and reaction. But you are right USVs are more efficient. I assume ASW missiles will find more place in naval battles since loitering autonomous USVs supply more intelligence and detection.

Look this can operates months without refuelling and maintenance.

That's why some new ASW warship designs don't have helipad like ARES 76.

 

[Ripley]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2081426007479742670

T925 Helicopter 2028 Target

TUSAŞ General Manager Mehmet Demiroğlu: "The T925 is the only platform of ours that hasn't made its first flight yet up to this point. That one will hopefully emerge by the end of this year. We anticipate it will make its flight in the first quarter of next year. The first 8 platforms, excluding prototypes, will be delivered to the General Directorate of Forestry as aerial firefighting platforms. It's a helicopter capable of carrying 19 people. In parallel, it can carry 4 tons of water. We've also gathered the requirements from all our forces—air, land, gendarmerie, special forces, naval forces, and the like—as end users."
@TUSAS_TR

You can hear Mr. Demiroğlu, in the clip above, saying something like “ilk teslimat hattı 2028’de başlayacağız”
which literally might translate to “we will start fist delivery ‘line’ in 2028“. Does he mean start the delivery line or Should I assume that maybe he meant that they will start delivering first aircraft in 2028?

 

[Pokemonte13]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2081426007479742670

T925 Helicopter 2028 Target

TUSAŞ General Manager Mehmet Demiroğlu: "The T925 is the only platform of ours that hasn't made its first flight yet up to this point. That one will hopefully emerge by the end of this year. We anticipate it will make its flight in the first quarter of next year. The first 8 platforms, excluding prototypes, will be delivered to the General Directorate of Forestry as aerial firefighting platforms. It's a helicopter capable of carrying 19 people. In parallel, it can carry 4 tons of water. We've also gathered the requirements from all our forces—air, land, gendarmerie, special forces, naval forces, and the like—as end users."
@TUSAS_TR

You can hear Mr. Demiroğlu, in the clip above, saying something like “ilk teslimat hattı 2028’de başlayacağız”
which literally might translate to “we will start fist delivery ‘line’ in 2028“. Does he mean start the delivery line or Should I assume that maybe he meant that they will start delivering first aircraft in 2028?

First delivery is supposed to start in 2028 but i'm doubtful that after just one year of testing they will deliver it. By my guess first delivery would be towards the end of 2029 under best circumstances

 

[BalkanTurk90]

First delivery is supposed to start in 2028 but i'm doubtful that after just one year of testing they will deliver it. By my guess first delivery would be towards the end of 2029 under best circumstances

2028 mass production for everythingg , warships , kaan , tepe class , Hurjet , Siper 2,3,4,5 , asteroid desteoyer etc etc
We listen those timelines for years
İ dont think we will get that T925 helicopter before 2031 or before Gökbey production line & T70 replaced by this helicopter

 

[Saithan]

I am not convinced at all. I mean they don't even have a prototype to test and which propulsion system will it use ?

I am not questioning the avionics or such because we have that from Gökbey/T129, but the failure of taking one step at a time.

Granted we are not told anything about any tests being done, so are we to believe that they're conducting these tests without any media coverage ? hard to believe.

 

[Ripley]

I am not convinced at all. I mean they don't even have a prototype to test and which propulsion system will it use ?

I am not questioning the avionics or such because we have that from Gökbey/T129, but the failure of taking one step at a time.

Granted we are not told anything about any tests being done, so are we to believe that they're conducting these tests without any media coverage ? hard to believe.

Yeah, 2027 first qtr first flight, first deliveries will start in 2028. It really isn’t convincing.