TR Air Defence Programs

[Tornadoss]

Wonder how much it cost with all the sensors etc.

 

[UkroTurk]

Wonder how much it cost with all the sensors etc.

Pantsir which is equal to wheeled Korkut costs app 20million USD.
Most of costs are radar and missiles.

Saudi Arabia Spends US$2.3 Bln to Acquire 39 Russian Pantsir-S1M Air Defense Systems in Secret Deal - Defence Security Asia

Saudi Arabia has reportedly acquired 39 Russian-made Pantsir-S1M air defense systems in a “quiet” deal worth an estimated $2.3 billion (RM10.1 billion).

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İf the deal is finished, What a pitty for KSA as well as for Türkiye.

We could have supplied Korkut.

 

[Sanchez]

Pantsir which is equal to wheeled Korkut costs app 20million USD.
Most of costs are radar and missiles.

Saudi Arabia Spends US$2.3 Bln to Acquire 39 Russian Pantsir-S1M Air Defense Systems in Secret Deal - Defence Security Asia

Saudi Arabia has reportedly acquired 39 Russian-made Pantsir-S1M air defense systems in a “quiet” deal worth an estimated $2.3 billion (RM10.1 billion).

defencesecurityasia.com

İf the deal is finished, What a pitty for KSA as well as for Türkiye.

We could have supplied Korkut.

Akbaba claimed few months ago that Saudi ordered and even took delivery of Korkut.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

If we put this anywhere close to front line it would be blown to pieces before the end of its first week, by a drone.

Just look at the cannon, the truck and the sensors on it block its view completely. It is ridiculously susceptible to anything flying low, hell, not even that low! If it can fire on the move, I can see it as a good option to accompany armoured columns, or defending backline command posts but that's it.

This is a easily relocatable point defense system, it's not designed to move around when fighting like Korkut or Hisar-A. Gürz will be mainly for installation defence. Think bases on the periphery, Syria, Somalia, Libya.

Sanchez is right.

Let's not forget about Burç ^

 

[Sanchez]

I think it's high time Atılgans are replaced with Burç. Remaining Atılgans can be modernized and employed on installation defense.

 

[Bogeyman]

SUNGUR launch from BURÇ

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2099393100279927208

I counted 8 launchers.

 

[boredaf]

I counted 8 launchers.

Well, it has 2 Sungur pods and one pod has 4 missiles. Burç can have 20 or 30 mm cannon, according to Roketsan's website. I can't remember, have they showed ATOM munition for either of the calibres? I'm curious to see which cannon they'll choose for serial production.

 

[Pokemonte13]

They also changed the radar from meteksan to echodyne and why are they still using wescam

 

[Pokemonte13]

There are now three different variants of burc

 

[Pokemonte13]

Wouldn't it be more cost-effective to replace one Sungur pod with Cirit C-UAS pod?

i think its flexible depending on what the army wants

 

[UkroTurk]

SUNGUR launch from BURÇ

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2099393100279927208

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Burch air defense turret launching SUNGUR SAM.

Great platform. Notice how engaging launcher.

The missile canister's cover opens. This is how they test whether the seeker head can detect IR signals, similar to the Mistral/SINBAD naval launcher. Lock on before launch. Not like RIM-116.I hope we see it deployed on ships as soon as possible.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Not totally sure what you mean with "This is how they test whether the seeker head can detect IR signals" but manpads need to lock on before launch in order to engage targets since they lack a data link

 

[Huelague]

As mich as I like the idea and system at all, I want to see a more „Transformers“ -like mechanic system, not an add on or plug-in system.
For example, the radar on the roof of the truck, should be retractable.

 

[UkroTurk]

Not totally sure what you mean with "This is how they test whether the seeker head can detect IR signals" but manpads need to lock on before launch in order to engage targets since they lack a data link

Yes there is no data link that's why you need to check seekers engagement. Otherwise how you could connect information from radar with missiles.



First AESA radars detects target. But SUNGUR is standard limited MANPADS missiles as you send. You can not send target information to SUNGUR. SUNGUR itself must detect and receive IR signals.


Or Launcher sends SUNGUR towards target and locks after launch?

Because FIM-92K: Variant of FIM-92J designed to use a vehicle datalink rather than the missile's own seeker for targeting.

 

[boredaf]

As mich as I like the idea and system at all, I want to see a more „Transformers“ -like mechanic system, not an add on or plug-in system.
For example, the radar on the roof of the truck, should be retractable.

What's on top isn't a radar, it's an electro optical system, possibly a laser designator as well, like Aselflir.

Secondly, every mechanical point you add to a system is another potential failure point, and a maintenance list item. Simpler is better, reliability is better, unless it is absolutely unavoidable to complicate a system.

And, any anti-air system needs to come online in a seconds notice, or, shouldn't have an "off" time at all, especially one that is supposed to be on the frontlines.

 

[Huelague]

What's on top isn't a radar, it's an electro optical system, possibly a laser designator as well, like Aselflir.

In this video?

ASELSAN GÜRZ sahaya indi!

ASELSAN tarafından geliştirilen GÜRZ Hava Savunma Sistemi saha faaliyetlerine başladı. GÜRZ’ün atışlı faaliyeti, 5 Eylül 2026 tarihinde başarıyla gerçekleşti...

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[OPTIMUS]

That is what I didn't understand from the beginning. Why the placement of gun buried that way, and why they dont the raise the position of the gun above the sensors. It shouldnt be that hard, just look at Pantsir
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The lower the cannon is placed, the better. Turks got everything right. The cannon is low and placed way in the back. Correct.

Pantsir took the wrong path, and they paid for it dearly.

 

[Pokemonte13]

In this video?

ASELSAN GÜRZ sahaya indi!

ASELSAN tarafından geliştirilen GÜRZ Hava Savunma Sistemi saha faaliyetlerine başladı. GÜRZ’ün atışlı faaliyeti, 5 Eylül 2026 tarihinde başarıyla gerçekleşti...

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There are two eo and one fcr (Red Eo/ Blue FCR)

 

[Pokemonte13]

The lower the cannon is placed, the better. Turks got everything right. The cannon is low and placed way in the back. Correct.

Pantsir took the wrong path, and they paid for it dearly.

The critic is correct because of low placement of the turret and sensors on the cabin gürz has a massiv blind spot on the front but on the other hand this is not designed to engage fpv drones but rather kamikaze drones, cruise missiles and anything else larger than a shahed style drone.

 

[OPTIMUS]

a short and concise explanation

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2099162655168544996