Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[Madokafc]

Can't they coordinate with the Navy C4ISR assets?, I mean they belong to the Navy right?

The Navy C4ISR? how well developed are they in the first place?

 

[Gary]

La Fayette class is CODaD , with the same type of engines used by Sigma class Corvettes or light Frigates

yup, that's the issue, the Navy are allergic to turbines.

 

[Gary]

The Navy C4ISR? how well developed are they in the first place?

I believe better than what the army has.

 

[Madokafc]

yup, that's the issue, the Navy are allergic to turbines.

They are more concerned with available time and cost of operating such units , in the past Indonesia is indeed operating gas turbine engine for several vessels and their combat readiness is too low, as it is too complex, too expensive to be maintained and too much for second rate Navy such as Indonesia.

 

[Madokafc]

I believe better than what the army has.

Are you sure? The Army command units is more integrated than what you thing, they are more equipped with Air Defense system along with radar and other related stuff and they are working more closer with the Air Force and Kohanudnas compared to Navy with the Air Force.

 

[Gary]

They are more concerned with available time and cost of operating such units , in the past Indonesia is indeed operating gas turbine engine for several vessels and their combat readiness is too low, as it is too complex, too expensive to be maintained and too much for second rate Navy such as Indonesia.

cmiiw, but replacing engines are cheaper than replacing whole armaments and combat management system.

 

[Gary]

Are you sure? The Army command units is more integrated than what you thing, they are more equipped with Air Defense system along with radar and other related stuff and they are working more closer with the Air Force and Kohanudnas compared to Navy with the Air Force.

it depends on how the service will cooperate with each other, hope there's no inter service ego comes to place.

anyway, for surface ship hunting , I think the Navy long range maritime patrol, onboard ships sensors and coastal radars could give a better picture than the Air force SatRad. If we could emulate the planned US Navy plan on Navy-Marines teaming, it would be great. Basically fast moving marines on LCU's hopping on islands while delivering long range precision fires.

 

[this is crunch]

What you expect from patrol vessel? They are being build and designed with immediate post cold war mindset, in which the Western states is a clear Victor and there is almost no contender to upset the balance of power globally.

As there is no VLS, limited Air defense, no underwater warfare capability. But all in all, it is just suitable for Indonesia need as patrol vessel with some limited fighting capability with very very reasonable operating cost

In the late 1980s, the Marine Nationale started the studies for frigates adapted to low-intensity conflicts in the post–Cold War era. The ships were to serve in the large French exclusive economic zone (EEZ), be adapted to humanitarian operations or low-intensity operations in support of land troops, and replace the aging D'Estienne d'Orves-class avisos, which tended to prove too focused on naval operations and were ill-suited for joint operations.

oooooh, i didnt expect that tbh, i thought it will be a full combatant vessel, but in the end, doing some patrol mission,

i see

 

[Madokafc]

it depends on how the service will cooperate with each other, hope there's no inter service ego comes to place.

anyway, for surface ship hunting , I think the Navy long range maritime patrol, onboard ships sensors and coastal radars could give a better picture than the Air force SatRad. If we could emulate the planned US Navy plan on Navy-Marines teaming, it would be great. Basically fast moving marines on LCU's hopping on islands while delivering long range precision fires.

Navy and Marine ego is quite something, you see. Incurable for current batch of leadership cohort, if i must Frank. You Will see when the Army bought Mi17 and Mi 35 or TD 2000 system or the Air Force who pick the Flanker out of their predicament of can't take European or US Made stuff, because political restriction and nowadays they are adapt and looking for integration solution but the Marines and at some extent the Navy still looking for Eastern European stuff for some critical elements of their stuff. And the user itself quite something...

 

[Anmdt]

the Dutch are going to retire the Karel Dorrman's soon, compared to the LaFayette's it has at least a 76mm main gun (our Navy standard main guns), Thales STIR (our Standard tracking system), VDS, hull mounted sonar, lightweight torp launcher (we could slap a pair each from our retired VS class).

but the issue is it's a CODOG.

Codog is fine, the gas turbine is not used continously and gearboxes are rather simple, also maintained annually or biannually (along with major maintenance of the hull). Wouldn't be a nuisance or even a concern to the Navy since morelikely it will be maintained by the source.
But i think the decision will be made regardless of subsystems, half politically, half based on who will deliver the other batch of ships or other systems.

 

[Gary]

Codog is fine, the gas turbine is not used continously and gearboxes are rather simple, also maintained annually or biannually (along with major maintenance of the hull). Wouldn't be a nuisance or even a concern to the Navy since morelikely it will be maintained by the source.
But i think the decision will be made regardless of subsystems, half politically, half based on who will deliver the other batch of ships or other systems.

Well, tell that to the Indonesian Navy, they're steadily getting rid of any gas turbine engined ships in the fleet.

I'm a big fan of CODOG btw.

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1351872996424654848

 

[this is crunch]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1351872996424654848

what is that, another UUV's? and i see chinese alphabet on that...

 

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1351872996424654848

Test&Training&Measurement torpedo.
Submarine decoy prototype (dimension wise fits)
The plating probably indicates the owner thus the purpose, anyone who can translate it?

 

[trishna_amrta]

The plating probably indicates the owner thus the purpose, anyone who can translate it?

Not exactly certain, but I'm guessing it is one of the following ;

• China will grow larger
• China has been generous
• Expanding the Chinese empire
• We have a big plan

 

[FPXAllen]

Not exactly certain, but I'm guessing it is one of the following ;

• China will grow larger
• China has been generous
• Expanding the Chinese empire
• We have a big plan

I know that reference

 

[Van Kravchenko]

and i think, if indeed La Fayyete has a green light, it still has to undergo a significant upgrade either in indonesia or in france.

some of her sensor and armament are outdated and not suitable for indonesia
such as
-100mm naval gun
- air search radar (DRBV 15C Sea Tiger Mk2 – (Group, 1996, Detector) Radar, Target Indicator, 2D Surface-to-Air & Surface-to-Surface, Max range: 133.3 km.)
-outdated combat management system
-no hull mounted sonar nor towed array sonar
-no torpedo launcher

Even Nahkoda-Ragam class has more firepower than this vessel. Dunno if they could be installed with more formidable as formidable class back then.

Imho, we need more Air fefence capable boats

 

[trishna_amrta]

Imho, we need more Air fefence capable boats

We do indeed. Unfortunately procuring & building those ships took time. Time that we do not have considering the situation at our northern border. Which is why the "interim" solution is being pursued.

 

[Nilgiri]

I know that reference

*This* is the ohverlohd tank.

 

[Madokafc]

Pushidrosal SAR SRIWIJAYA AIR SJ-182,
Peralatan apung pasukan khusus TNI AL dilengkapi Peta navigasi elektronik

Peralatan apung pasukan khusus TNI AL yang tergabung dalam Satgas SAR jatuhnya pesawat Sriwijaya Air SJ-182 di perairan Kepulauan Seribu, saat ini sudah dilengkapi dengan peta navigasi elektronik. Sarana ini digunakan untuk memudahkan operator dalam bernavigasi termasuk saat melaksanakan tugas-tugas SAR di laut.

Indonesian Navy commando Boats already being equipped with electronic Navigation system on board