Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[trishna_amrta]

I know that reference

*This* is the ohverlohd tank.

The younger generation Gen Zombie and younger is unlikely to get that reference though

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1352107015171051521

 

[Van Kravchenko]

The younger generation Gen Zombie and younger is unlikely to get that reference though

Wait a year, you guys play a pc game ?

 

[Ruhnama]

cmiiw, but replacing engines are cheaper than replacing whole armaments and combat management system.

Likely replacing engine more complicates because it will change layout, many calculation etc that effect the ship itself

 

[R4duga]

looks like there's alot of CNC fan here . #OOT

 

[Ruhnama]

go with IH or 30 FFM

If japan can change the weaponry with european that we already familiar maybe it is good but if

 

[trishna_amrta]

If japan can change the weaponry with european that we already familiar maybe it is good but if

More efficient if sticking to with what Japan is using in their ship, be that US or some missile that Japan might indigenously produce.

 

[Initial_D]

If japan can change the weaponry with european that we already familiar maybe it is good but if

Why would we wanted to replace the weaponry and system to european if the japanese/usa system can communicate to european system as well

 

[Gary]

Likely replacing engine more complicates because it will change layout, many calculation etc that effect the ship itself

I don't think so, we don't see much problem during the re-engining of the Van Speijk's.

 

[Van Kravchenko]

More efficient if sticking to with what Japan is using in their ship, be that US or some missile that Japan might indigenously produce.

This gave me a serious headcache that make me less courious about formil today.

Yes we could purchase all platform that we want, but do they also grant us an access to the armament too?

About 30FFM, thats a realy cool stuff, i mean with 360 CIC it is just gundam like tech

Its also state that using CODOG(not good with navy pocket tho) and my favourite FFBNW vls, 16 mk 41 exactly (just hoping could afford for 32 vls). Dunno if it will be ended up in MICA :'v or ended up never buy one of them, so sad for me wkwkwkwkwk

Anyway, did you guys hear about other procurement asset? Just like SAM, Fighter, subs, helos, and UAV ?
I thought last year we did talking about local made radar and C4ISR, is it done yet ?

 

[trishna_amrta]

I thought last year we did talking about local made radar and C4ISR, is it done yet ?

You mean locally assemble & rebranding right

 

[Van Kravchenko]

You mean locally assemble & rebranding right

Shhhh... You'll make the medua sad if you said so.

The power of "karya anak bangsa" thread title bring more traffic to them

 

[Anmdt]

I don't think so, we don't see much problem during the re-engining of the Van Speijk's.

I think there were some issues during the replacement. (Could be the reason why it is done in pieces)
It is rather simple to convert from old huge engines to small newer ones. I don't know how they resolve balance issues too, or either the ships are sailing with constant ballast.
The best case gas turbine can be removed and the ship will still be able to reach 20+knots speeds.

 

[Van Kravchenko]

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I think there were some issues during the replacement. (Could be the reason why it is done in pieces)
It is rather simple to convert from old huge engines to small newer ones. I don't know how they resolve balance issues too, or either the ships are sailing with constant ballast.
The best case gas turbine can be removed and the ship will still be able to reach 20+knots speeds.

I believe there's no need to remove the turbine engine if it will not replace by other engine, since turbine engine are usually use for electrical generator power plant.

In other case diesel engine are use in cruise range, there's no need for a ship to be in full speed all the time, since its Combined Diesel And Gas that mean to achieve such maximum speed both of engine will work togather. This is differ from Combined Diesel or Gas, wich one of the engine could possibly put down while other working.

Changing engine is not a major issue, moreover ship today are made of module, i believe there's joints that removable without causing major chang in boat layout.


Oh hey, the last news that i heard there's a one or two Freedom class that well be decommisioned any soon, do we didn't bats an eye to that boats ?

It's has sleek design tho

 

[Madokafc]

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I believe there's no need to remove the turbine engine if it will not replace by other engine, since turbine engine are usually use for electrical generator power plant.

In other case diesel engine are use in cruise range, there's no need for a ship to be in full speed all the time, since its Combined Diesel And Gas that mean to achieve such maximum speed both of engine will work togather. This is differ from Combined Diesel or Gas, wich one of the engine could possibly put down while other working.

Changing engine is not a major issue, moreover ship today are made of module, i believe there's joints that removable without causing major chang in boat layout.


Oh hey, the last news that i heard there's a one or two Freedom class that well be decommisioned any soon, do we didn't bats an eye to that boats ?

It's has sleek design tho

No

They are not suited for us, in any means

 

[trishna_amrta]

I don't know how they resolve balance issues too, or either the ships are sailing with constant ballast.

Lets called it trimming. "Constant ballast" sound too much like the ship is on the verge of sinking. And our policymakers really hate ill sounding term

 

[Madokafc]

Keel Laying for the next Hospital ship

 

[Van Kravchenko]

Keel Laying for the next Hospital ship

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They did it very quick once the occupied dock was clear, the other new ship will be took it. I wonder did PT PAL only has one dock for shipbuilding process that could be use one at a time, if it so there'll be more streched schedule for locally made warship.

Does it even reasonable, if we put something like BRS, LPD, or LST building process to Privte Owned Shipyard, since make a true warship like Frigate, etc. Surely takr different welding and constructing approach, even installing Electronic suites and weaponary ?
(IMO other warship than combatant one, has less quality of metal and welding technique. CMMIW tho)

 

[Anmdt]

Lets called it trimming. "Constant ballast" sound too much like the ship is on the verge of sinking. And our policymakers really hate ill sounding term

Permanent ballast, it is called actually.
Some kind of permanent ballast is able to move so i implied it is the dead type.
By the way, i am not really sure if that class of ships has a permanent counter weight to keep the ship upright and on trim.

They did it very quick once the occupied dock was clear, the other new ship will be took it. I wonder did PT PAL only has one dock for shipbuilding process that could be use one at a time, if it so there'll be more streched schedule for locally made warship.

Does it even reasonable, if we put something like BRS, LPD, or LST building process to Privte Owned Shipyard, since make a true warship like Frigate, etc. Surely takr different welding and constructing approach, even installing Electronic suites and weaponary ?
(IMO other warship than combatant one, has less quality of metal and welding technique. CMMIW tho)

A ship spends limited time on the slipway or the dock. I presume they are not using a single dock to build and equip the ship. And actually if well planned, time on hull contruction can be limited to some months , and equipping can move onto other quays or docks.
The construction can be parallel even if there is one construction dock /slipway. Other blocks maybe pre-assembled and erected after launching the prior ship.

 

[Gary]

Time on hull contruction can be limited to some months ,

Exactly how many months?